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    #242
    davet82
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,753 ✭✭✭davet82


    are the properties updated on an ongoing basis or monthly?

    no results for october yet


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    #243
    gurramok
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,992 ✭✭✭✭gurramok


    NAMA in action here? A rake of houses sold for exactly €220,264.31 VAT exclusive on the same date(05/03/2012) at Cruise Park Drive, Tyrrelstown, Dublin. Houses on same street sold for substantially less before the date at 132k(none after) but even these look suspicious :)


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    #244
    highgiant1985
    Registered Users Posts: 1,777 ✭✭✭highgiant1985


    davet82 wrote: »
    are the properties updated on an ongoing basis or monthly?

    no results for october yet

    I believe its meant to be monthly from what I've read.


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    #245
    highgiant1985
    Registered Users Posts: 1,777 ✭✭✭highgiant1985


    gurramok wrote: »
    NAMA in action here? A rake of houses sold for exactly €220,264.31 VAT exclusive on the same date(05/03/2012) at Cruise Park Drive, Tyrrelstown, Dublin. Houses on same street sold for substantially less before the date at 132k(none after) but even these look suspicious :)

    not familiar with the area... are you saying its funny because 220k is v low price or just because they all sold same price?

    the 132k house on same street could be less rooms/smaller/diff type house etc.. do you know the houses/are they the same? otherwise a comparision like that can be misleading...


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    #246
    gurramok
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,992 ✭✭✭✭gurramok


    highgiant1985 wrote: »
    not familiar with the area... are you saying its funny because 220k is v low price or just because they all sold same price?

    the 132k house on same street could be less rooms/smaller/diff type house etc.. do you know the houses/are they the same? otherwise a comparision like that can be misleading...

    Sold for the same price on the same street at the same time. Any explanation?


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    #247
    Balmed Out
    Registered Users Posts: 4,716 ✭✭✭Balmed Out


    gurramok wrote: »
    Sold for the same price on the same street at the same time. Any explanation?

    Ive seen the same thing in west Cork where two identical houses were sold for 60% of the asking a day and €1 apart.


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    #248
    gurramok
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,992 ✭✭✭✭gurramok


    Balmed Out wrote: »
    Ive seen the same thing in west Cork where two identical houses were sold for 60% of the asking a day and €1 apart.

    There were 40 houses in these transactions sold for the exact same price on the same day. Search for Cruise Park Drive on the register http://www.propertypriceregister.ie

    I wonder if these houses of this sold type are included in the CSO\estate agents monthly stats to try to prop up sales volume reports that you hear about in the media? Misleading they are as they look like NAMA purchases.

    (Similar results to a search for "Alliance Building", countless results for apts sold on the same day for the same price to the same cent. Alliance Building is in Gasworks, Ringsend, Dublin. They were apts unsold for years)


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    #249
    davet82
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,753 ✭✭✭davet82


    gurramok wrote: »
    There were 40 houses in these transactions sold for the exact same price on the same day. Search for Cruise Park Drive on the register http://www.propertypriceregister.ie

    I wonder if these houses of this sold type are included in the CSO\estate agents monthly stats to try to prop up sales volume reports that you hear about in the media? Misleading they are as they look like NAMA purchases.

    maybe bought the same day at auction?

    idk seems strange alright


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    #250
    gurramok
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,992 ✭✭✭✭gurramok


    davet82 wrote: »
    maybe bought the same day at auction?

    idk seems strange alright

    Who has this kind of money? ;)

    05/03/2012 €220,264.31 221, Cruise Park Drive, Tyrrelstown, Dublin
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    #251
    davet82
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,753 ✭✭✭davet82


    gurramok wrote: »
    Who has this kind of money? ;)

    point taken :pac:


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    #252
    RATM
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,591 ✭✭✭RATM


    Those transactions seem way above market price, something not quite right there


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    #253
    markas
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 180 ✭✭markas


    RATM wrote: »
    Those transactions seem way above market price, something not quite right there


    looks like a desperate attemp to bump up prices in a gost town


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    #254
    [Deleted User]
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    Is it the council buying them up for social housing by any chance?


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    #255
    Zamboni
    Registered Users Posts: 4,305 ✭✭✭Zamboni


    Rojomcdojo wrote: »
    Is it the council buying them up for social housing by any chance?

    At that price, it wouldn't be a surprise would it? :)
    In Ireland, every unusual decision is always either - malevolence or incompetence.


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    #256
    Skipper12
    Registered Users Posts: 92 ✭✭Skipper12


    Rojomcdojo wrote: »
    Is it the council buying them up for social housing by any chance?


    When I first saw the list I thought the same thing but SURELY the council would not pay way over the market price(I mean current sales prices in that area) for houses??? I would have thought that they would have negotiated an even lower price as they were buying in bulk. (if of course it was them)

    On another note as they are all in close proximity could this be a NAMA purchase from a developer? (as somebody has already said to inflate prices for the area) I wonder were the houses ever sold originally or are they some of the stockpile that the developer thought he would make a pretty penny on during the boom.

    It would be very interesting to find out what has happened here.


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    #257
    davet82
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,753 ✭✭✭davet82


    Some of Octobers transactions have been added if anybody wants to look :)

    looks like they are updating the register fortnightly


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    #258
    davet82
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,753 ✭✭✭davet82


    Skipper12 wrote: »
    On another note as they are all in close proximity could this be a NAMA purchase from a developer?

    most likely, there is no way they've been bought by the council


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    #259
    OnTheCounter
    Registered Users Posts: 430 ✭✭OnTheCounter


    How do I find out the asking/selling price of a house sold in 2006?


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    #260
    The_Conductor
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 32,285 Mod ✭✭✭✭The_Conductor


    OnTheCounter wrote: »
    How do I find out the asking/selling price of a house sold in 2006?

    You could apply to find out what the stamp duty on the property was, and extrapolate from that. Revenue do not have an official mechanism in place for facilitating this type of enquiry though- they may or may not accede to your request (and if they deemed it to be an FOI request, which is possible, they could also possibly charge you for fulfilling the request).


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    #261
    Linoge
    Registered Users Posts: 1,790 ✭✭✭Linoge


    gurramok wrote: »
    There were 40 houses in these transactions sold for the exact same price on the same day. Search for Cruise Park Drive on the register http://www.propertypriceregister.ie

    I wonder if these houses of this sold type are included in the CSO\estate agents monthly stats to try to prop up sales volume reports that you hear about in the media? Misleading they are as they look like NAMA purchases.

    (Similar results to a search for "Alliance Building", countless results for apts sold on the same day for the same price to the same cent. Alliance Building is in Gasworks, Ringsend, Dublin. They were apts unsold for years)

    Was just going to say about the Alliance building. Those apts were never sold individually and were then the entire building was sold on about a year ago.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/commercialproperty/2011/1116/1224307624033.html

    So prob something similar with Cruise Park. Could even be something like a company being bought out.


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    #262
    davet82
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,753 ✭✭✭davet82


    so its been up a few months now anybody care to comment on the register or the data released?

    i've noticed in the area i've been interested in buying that all advertised prices on daft ect have sold for between 20k - 40k under the asking price. its a nice guide to see the asking price and go offer 40k under it. I wish these sites or sellers though would start being more realistic, is it a case of... ye never know what fool might come along and agree to it?


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    #263
    Ritchi
    Registered Users Posts: 319 ✭✭Ritchi


    davet82 wrote: »
    so its been up a few months now anybody care to comment on the register or the data released?

    i've noticed in the area i've been interested in buying that all advertised prices on daft ect have sold for between 20k - 40k under the asking price. its a nice guide to see the asking price and go offer 40k under it. I wish these sites or buyers though would start being more realistic, is it a case of... ye never know what fool might come along and agree to it?

    It all depends really, some sellers are being more realistic than others, so you can't really put a blanket first offer. I'd always suggest to err on the side of caution and offer lower than you think.


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    #264
    Zamboni
    Registered Users Posts: 4,305 ✭✭✭Zamboni


    davet82 wrote: »
    so its been up a few months now anybody care to comment on the register or the data released?

    If I put on a tinfoil hat for a moment, I wonder if the release of the site was purposely timed to coincide with the ending of MIR when it would be a safe assumption that the market may appear to be stable due to the number of lemmings who would be jumping off the FTB cliff...
    When you consider the prolonged delay of uploading three csv files...


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    #265
    davet82
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,753 ✭✭✭davet82


    Zamboni wrote: »
    If I put on a tinfoil hat for a moment, I wonder if the release of the site was purposely timed to coincide with the ending of MIR when it would be a safe assumption that the market may appear to be stable due to the number of lemmings who would be jumping off the FTB cliff...
    When you consider the prolonged delay of uploading three csv files...

    That sounds quite plausaible... :)

    like i said in a previous post the register will tell its true story in the second half of next year i reckon

    the waters have definately been muddied by its timing/release because of MIR


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    #266
    liffeylite
    Registered Users Posts: 514 ✭✭✭liffeylite


    Linoge wrote: »

    Was just going to say about the Alliance building. Those apts were never sold individually and were then the entire building was sold on about a year ago.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/commercialproperty/2011/1116/1224307624033.html

    So prob something similar with Cruise Park. Could even be something like a company being bought out.

    These were all bought by an american investment company. All apartments rented out for 1500ish a month. Great yield for the purchaser.


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    #267
    liffeylite
    Registered Users Posts: 514 ✭✭✭liffeylite


    liffeylite wrote: »

    These were all bought by an american investment company. All apartments rented out for 1500ish a month. Great yield for the purchaser.

    Edit: i think they sold for 25 to 30 million. The same company is looking for more apartment blocks to buy in central dublin.


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    #268
    handlemaster
    Registered Users Posts: 6,003 ✭✭✭handlemaster


    davet82 wrote: »
    so its been up a few months now anybody care to comment on the register or the data released?

    i've noticed in the area i've been interested in buying that all advertised prices on daft ect have sold for between 20k - 40k under the asking price. its a nice guide to see the asking price and go offer 40k under it. I wish these sites or sellers though would start being more realistic, is it a case of... ye never know what fool might come along and agree to it?

    20k - 40k .. and what is the asking price ?


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    #269
    davet82
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,753 ✭✭✭davet82


    handlemaster wrote: »
    20k - 40k .. and what is the asking price ?

    the bracket i've been looking at with that type of reduction has been around the 180k -200k mark


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    #270
    handlemaster
    Registered Users Posts: 6,003 ✭✭✭handlemaster


    davet82 wrote: »
    the bracket i've been looking at with that type of reduction has been around the 180k -200k mark

    so 10 -20 % off asking price. That would be about right I would think


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    #271
    davet82
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,753 ✭✭✭davet82


    handlemaster wrote: »
    so 10 -20 % off asking price. That would be about right I would think

    pretty much, from what i've seen from the area i'm looking anyways.

    a friend of mine enquired about a house that the EA told him 'there was little space to manoeuvre on as the house was already priced to sell at 192k' which appeared to be true if you looked at the asking prices in the area.

    the house sold and is on the PPR as being sold for 155k, he was pee'd off but also relieved he didnt pay an extra 37k for it and now he has a real idea what the houses in that estate are really worth


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