Revolting anti-Irish march in Liverpool

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"Jews are a race of unheroic, greasy, shifty-eyed, sickly money-lenders, rent-racketeers, pornographers and Big Business wide-boys. If Britain were to become Jew-clean, she would have no n-gger neighbours to worry about.

do you honestly think most people would take that shoite seriously?

Fratton Fred

MakeEmLaugh wrote: »

No. My point is that organisations like the North West Infidels, and their forerunners in the National Front, abhor Irish nationalism and Roman Catholicism, referred to in Rudyard Kiplin's poem Ulster as "England's oldest foe".

They view Northern Ireland, or Ulster as they frequently refer to it, as a bastion of British nationalism. As the National Front stated publicly before, "[Ulster loyalism is a] matter of deep-rooted sentiment - a prompting of instinctive self-awareness, tradition and blood."

Therefore, 'Ulster' cannot be the home any kind of Irish nationalism. To them, Irish republicanism is a decadent by-product of the Republic of Ireland, which is why the North West Infidels singled out the Republic of Ireland on this poster. It doesn't matter than most of the vast majority of IRA members convicted in relation to actual bombings and shootings that occurred in the last 45 years hailed from Northern Ireland.

John Tyndall, the founder of the National Front and BNP, has said "We've got to... put an end to the absurd posture of a British government trying to be neutral in the Ulster conflict. We are not neutral in N. Ireland; we are on the British side and against the anti-British side."

If you want more insight into the mindset of John Tyndall, he wrote this

"Jews are a race of unheroic, greasy, shifty-eyed, sickly money-lenders, rent-racketeers, pornographers and Big Business wide-boys. If Britain were to become Jew-clean, she would have no n-gger neighbours to worry about."

What point are you trying to make?

Wait and see how many people turn up before you get all excited. These muppets are about as popular in the UK as the dissidents are in Ireland.

Leftist

getz wrote: »

so you do not think the liverpool IRA commemoration march insults those people in warrington,and manchester ?

:D

the ira march.

There was one in feb and one in july.

The march in feb was a commemoration for Liverpool born Republican Sean Phelan, who killed during the war of independence in 1921.

The july march was an anti-fascist march, the kind they have all over europe.

An ira march :rofl:

can't you even read the original link? how anyone can make such a statement is beyond reason, it's outright pathetic hate mongering.

Nodin

Fratton Fred wrote: »

What point are you trying to make?

Wait and see how many people turn up before you get all excited. These muppets are about as popular in the UK as the dissidents are in Ireland.

Nowhere in that post does he refer to the organisations popularity, so what point is it you're trying to make?

Fratton Fred

Nodin wrote: »

Nowhere in that post does he refer to the organisations popularity, so what point is it you're trying to make?

This is a few idiots looking for a reaction. Blowing it out of proportion in true after hours fashion gives them the oxygen they don't deserve.

Duggys Housemate

Fratton Fred wrote: »

This is a few idiots looking for a reaction. Blowing it out of proportion in true after hours fashion gives them the oxygen they don't deserve.

I went to the fb page. There are hundreds of, dozens of, some comments.

Nodin

Fratton Fred wrote: »

This is a few idiots looking for a reaction. Blowing it out of proportion in true after hours fashion gives them the oxygen they don't deserve.

He was answering a specific question. If you want to make some general point, thats your business, but his post has no content relevant to whatever you're on about.

Duggys Housemate

I'd reluctantly agree with FF. I think there is a residual anti-Irishness in England but this stuff is probably 2 guys and their dog.

Fratton Fred

Nodin wrote: »

He was answering a specific question. If you want to make some general point, thats your business, but his post has no content relevant to whatever you're on about.

Who are you, his minder?

Nodin

Duggys Housemate wrote: »

I'd reluctantly agree with FF. I think there is a residual anti-Irishness in England but this stuff is probably 2 guys and their dog.

More than likely.

Fratton Fred

Nodin wrote: »

More than likely.

Which is why the BNP, the EDL, the NF and a poem by Rudyard Kipling have nothing to do with it.

Nodin

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Which is why the BNP, the EDL, the NF and a poem by Rudyard Kipling have nothing to do with it.

He was answering a specific question when - for reasons unknown - you decided to use his reply as a springboard for a rant about the popularity or otherwise of the march etc. You might as well have pinned a load of user names to a dartboard and addressed your comment to whoevers post was hit.

Fratton Fred

Nodin wrote: »

He was answering a specific question when - for reasons unknown - you decided to use his reply as a springboard for a rant about the popularity or otherwise of the march etc. You might as well have pinned a load of user names to a dartboard and addressed your comment to whoevers post was hit.

I believe the correct term is "Whatever".

MakeEmLaugh

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Which is why the BNP, the EDL, the NF and a poem by Rudyard Kipling have nothing to do with it.

I learned of this march through an article/<a class="inlineAdmedialink" href="#">blog</a> which was posted on the Irish Times website entitled "Return of anti-Irish prejudice in Britain?". It was written by Brian Whelan, a London-based columnist who has six thousand followers on twitter. Is he to be lambasted for drawing this march to people's attention?

And it is outright contrarian of you to dismiss comparisons between the North West Infidels and the EDL, NF and BNP. Firstly, the people who formed the NWI were all originally in the EDL, just as the people who formed the 32 County Sovereignty Movement were all originally in Sinn Féin (if you'll permit me another analogy which may not be entirely pertinent to my original post).

And while this may not be a BNP rally, it's language and imagery is straight out of the National Front of old.

COYW

steelcityblues wrote: »

There was an orange lodge just down from Anfield, iirc.

Correct, the most active Orange lodge in England is located in Anfield, the area, a stones throw away from Anfield, the football ground and Goodison Park. The largest Orange community in England is in Liverpool. Quite common to see marches in Everton valley during the summer.

Used to be in Liverpool quite a lot. Walked by that lodge tonnes of times and used to frequent a bar less than 100 metres away from it. Never once had a moment of bother from the people there, so I wouldn't let this march taint my opinion of the community in that area or the city as a whole.

K-9

COYW wrote: »

Correct, the most active Orange lodge in England is located in Anfield, the area, a stones throw away from Anfield, the football ground and Goodison Park. The largest Orange community in England is in Liverpool. Quite common to see marches in Everton valley during the summer.

Used to be in Liverpool quite a lot. Walked by that lodge tonnes of times and used to frequent a bar less than 100 metres away from it. Never once had a moment of bother from the people there, so I wouldn't let this march taint my opinion of the community in that area or the city as a whole.

Liverpool FC was very much the Protestant and Scottish club way back in the 1910/20's. Things moved on and Whelan, Beglin, Lawrenson, Aldridge and Houghton played in the 80's. You'll often see Liverpool & Rangers scarves plus Liverpool & Celtic scarves at games, we share the same anthem with Celtic after all.

Liverpool is very much a working class city, even more so than Newcastle or Glasgow. It was the city that opposed Thatcherism to the end. These marches very much go against all that.

Delancey

I think most shop keepers in Dublin would protest against scousers coming to Dublin - organised gangs of shoplifters frequently originate from where they speak as if they have cotton wool stuck down their throats.

opinionated3

Delancey wrote: »

I think most shop keepers in Dublin would protest against scousers coming to Dublin - organised gangs of shoplifters frequently originate from where they speak as if they have cotton wool stuck down their throats.

What's that supposed to mean??

Jester252

opinionated3 wrote: »

What's that supposed to mean??

That the are just misunderstood people trying to protect their jobs for the scum that is the Irish?

Doc Ruby

Deleted User wrote: »

I brought it in to compare like with like. The people behind this march are bigoted, backward idiots who really need to catch up with the rest of us and start living in the 21st century. It's very easy to sit back and talk of how offended we all are by the march but as far as I'm concerned those behind the proposed boycott of Mauritius and those posting the despicable comments on social networking sites are every bit as backward and vile as those behind the march.

Its always funny watching people trying to compare english and Irish attitudes towards other ethnic groups. On the one hand we have an organised public march spouting hate slogans, and on the other hand we have a scattering of anonymous comments from people who may or may not even be in the country nevermind Irish on an internet message board.

This, to some, is "comparing like with like".

getz

Reekwind wrote: »

There was no "IRA commemoration march", which is what both the Irish Times and MakeEmLaugh have pointed out. It's the whole point really. This EDL march is not directed against the IRA or IRA sympathisers or whatever. It's simple racism: associating anything Irish with the IRA in order to score points

you are so wrong,--this is what was advertised,7 bands in attendance;VOL billy read RFB. irish republican martyrs.FB james connolly 1st RFB VOL.martin doco doherty RFB liverpool irish patriots RFB,speaker,sandra mclennan SINN FEIN TD cork east,reading of the roll of honour followed by a REBEL BALLAD session, organised by cairde na hEireann liverpool flait romhait, a irish politician who is of the political wing of the IRA marching through a city in england and intending to play hate songs,the sickening thing is that a few irish people cannot see anything wrong with it,

MakeEmLaugh

getz wrote: »

you are so wrong,--this is what was advertised,7 bands in attendance;VOL billy read RFB. irish republican martyrs.FB james connolly 1st RFB VOL.martin doco doherty RFB liverpool irish patriots RFB,speaker,sandra mclennan SINN FEIN TD cork east,reading of the roll of honour followed by a REBEL BALLAD session, organised by cairde na hEireann liverpool flait romhait, a irish politician who is of the political wing of the IRA marching through a city in england and intending to play hate songs,the sickening thing is that a few irish people cannot see anything wrong with it,

Are you on about this march?

http://liveraf.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/h.jpg

Fratton Fred

getz wrote: »

you are so wrong,--this is what was advertised,7 bands in attendance;VOL billy read RFB. irish republican martyrs.FB james connolly 1st RFB VOL.martin doco doherty RFB liverpool irish patriots RFB,speaker,sandra mclennan SINN FEIN TD cork east,reading of the roll of honour followed by a REBEL BALLAD session, organised by cairde na hEireann liverpool flait romhait, a irish politician who is of the political wing of the IRA marching through a city in england and intending to play hate songs,the sickening thing is that a few irish people cannot see anything wrong with it,

Settlers in England marching against settlers in Ireland.

Chuck Stone

Delancey wrote: »

I think most shop keepers in Dublin would protest against scousers coming to Dublin - organised gangs of shoplifters frequently originate from where they speak as if they have cotton wool stuck down their throats.

You really shouldn't form opinions on an entire city of people based on the caricatures you've seen on Harry Enfield and Chums.

getz

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Settlers in England marching against settlers in Ireland.

not if the boot was on the other foot,a parade through dublin singing orange [king billy]songs,commemorating british soldiers who died in northern ireland,and the rally being addressed by a british politician,

Fratton Fred

MakeEmLaugh wrote: »

I learned of this march through an article/<a class="inlineAdmedialink" href="#">blog</a> which was posted on the Irish Times website entitled "Return of anti-Irish prejudice in Britain?". It was written by Brian Whelan, a London-based columnist who has six thousand followers on twitter. Is he to be lambasted for drawing this march to people's attention?

And it is outright contrarian of you to dismiss comparisons between the North West Infidels and the EDL, NF and BNP. Firstly, the people who formed the NWI were all originally in the EDL, just as the people who formed the 32 County Sovereignty Movement were all originally in Sinn Féin (if you'll permit me another analogy which may not be entirely pertinent to my original post).

And while this may not be a BNP rally, it's language and imagery is straight out of the National Front of old.

Why stop there? Why not compare to the rise of the third Reich?

These are a handful of idiots looking for attention, don't.give it to them.

(the same could easily apply to a columnist looking for readers)

Delancey

Chuck Stone wrote: »

You really shouldn't form opinions on an entire city of people based on the caricatures you've seen on Harry Enfield and Chums.

Indeed and I'm not basing it on TV caricatures - I lived there for 3 years

Nodin

getz wrote: »

you are so wrong(.............)cannot see anything wrong with it,

I'd suggest you're a bit confused.

getz

Nodin wrote: »

I'd suggest you're a bit confused.

and i suggest you get; big ears; to help you

Nodin

getz wrote: »

and i suggest you get; big ears; to help you

Amazing wit.

This is the march in question.
http://liveraf.wordpress.com/2012/07/05/working-class-unity-against-racism-and-fascism-rally-march-in-liverpool-21st-july/

AEDIC

Delancey wrote: »

Indeed and I'm not basing it on TV caricatures - I lived there for 3 years

And how many times did you have your pocket picked?

getz

AEDIC wrote: »

And how many times did you have your pocket picked?

he is not that old charles dickens died in 1870,

Solair

All I would say is that this kind of thing proved to be nearly fatally toxic in Europe.

Xenophobia, racism, inter-regional conflict and class wars have almost destroyed Europe several times.

Arguably, class fixations, regional conflicts and lack of social mobility also undermined and stagnated the UK economy in the past too.

All this stuff demonstrates to me is that some people are complete knuckle dragging idiots who never learn from history and are nothing but thugs looking for a fight.

The UK forgets that it had a civil war and fell apart in the 20th century. That's just another way of looking at Irish independence. Northern Ireland is a consequence of the aftermath of this. Idiotic inter-regional politics and class/ethnic/religious superiority complexes resulted in famine in what was the richest country on earth and ultimately a totally destablised Ireland leaving the UK by force. To me, that just sums up what's wrong with the mentality in these islands and I would sincerely hope that those stupid attitudes are burried in the past!

I'm not being republican or non reoublican in that view, I'm just looking at it through the cold lens of economics and social science. The UK in that period was a failed state in many respects because of attitudes like those being displayed by these right wing xenophobic idiots forming part of public policy.

People need to examine their behaviour as this kind of attacking your own society or looking down your nose at people from a neighbouring island which shares a huge % your culture and history and language. It is pathetic behaviour.

Liverpool has centuries, if not millennia of direct contact and cultural ties to Ireland. It's barely 100 miles away ffs! It's closer to Dublin than it is to London!

Latchy

Delancey wrote: »

I think most shop keepers in Dublin would protest against scousers coming to Dublin - organised gangs of shoplifters frequently originate from where they speak as if they have cotton wool stuck down their throats.

Wow ... bit of an overstatement that no ? Would they protest against an organized gang of Manchester ,Sheffield ,Birmingham ,etc shoplifters to or would their preferences be set to just Liverpudlian ones ?

How about ''organized gangs of shoplifters frequently originate from just about everywhere '' ?

My friends wife who's a Liverpudlian had her handbag stolen while visiting Dublin two years ago and no , it wasn't by a Romanian gang member either but it hasn't put her off coming to the city again and my brother and his mates have just gone back to Dublin after a great weekend in Liverpool and are looking forward to returning asap .

As for the Revolting anti Irish protest ,I was in Liverpool city over the weekend and unless I've missed something ,I heard nothing to suggest there was riots , fighting or civil disturbance of any kind associated with this march .Thread is damp squid .

StephenHendry

thats a pity to hear about that, especially the strong connection between both cities, im not surprise people are outraged. what has enda or david cameron said about this and what are they doing about it ?

Latchy

As I sggested in another post ,the police were on hand to make sure it didn't escalate into something .

Read More http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-communities/toxteth-dingle/toxteth-dingle-news/2012/07/21/massive-police-operation-keeps-rivals-apart-at-james-larkin-march-100252-31445627/#ixzz21SZVzxba

Liverpool Echo :

Massive Merseyside police operation keeps rivals apart at James Larkin march

A MASSIVE police operation prevented clashes between far right protesters and anti-fascist demonstrators in Liverpool today.

Members of the James Larkin Society gathered in the city, flanked by an enormous police presence to ensure that any trouble was kept to a minimum.

A number of counter protest groups turned out as a result of the march in parts of South Liverpool and the city centre.

The event was held in honour of Liverpool-born Irish trade unionist James Larkin and had an anti-racist theme.

Those marching the streets insisted they wanted to make a stand against racism and fascism.

Protesters attempted to delay the start by staging a sit down protest and shouting at the people marching, which led to scuffles with the police.

They said it was an IRA march and chanted “IRA off our streets” at those holding James Larkin Society banners.

Those on the opposite side of the James Larkin Society were adamant that within the march there were people who were IRA sympathisers.

Alec McFadden, president of the Merseyside TUC and anti-fascist campaigner, told the ECHO: “Today was all about celebrating one of the main trade unionists James Larkin.

Madam_X

Deleted User wrote: »

I brought it in to compare like with like. The people behind this march are bigoted, backward idiots who really need to catch up with the rest of us and start living in the 21st century. It's very easy to sit back and talk of how offended we all are by the march but as far as I'm concerned those behind the proposed boycott of Mauritius and those posting the despicable comments on social networking sites are every bit as backward and vile as those behind the march.

I still don't see the point in you bringing up Mauritius. The ****-wits hate-mongering re Mauritius disgust me but they're a separate group of people to these particular ****-wits. What are you saying? That it's hypocritical of Irish people to object to anti Irish vitriol because Ireland has racists itself? Skewed logic. It would only be hypocritical if the Irish people objecting to the anti Irish vitriol were racists. And yes, some such imbeciles definitely exist, but not all Irish people are answerable for them.