'Cut the dole' they say: What the IMF wants, the IMF gets

Jame Gumb

Brutal Deluxe wrote: »

CucaFace wrote: »

And your friends are also taking the piss out of the system as well.

And someone earlier was saying that it was only a small fraction tha are abusing the system??

The system is full of people like this.


Brutal Deluxe honestly what type of job are you looking for in Ireland? How old are you/

You obviously can't find it here in Ireland, there is a big wide world out there, why don't you head off and make a life for yourself.

And take your friends with you.

Okay, when you learn how to talk without insults and telling me to leave the country, get back to me.

Jame Gumb wrote: »

You must be mixing me up with someone else...I've neither insulted not degraded you.

What you are doing however is not morally right. You are claiming social welfare when you could get a job.

Look into your heart, look in the mirror and apply for a job in Dino's.

You said I was leeching. You think it's not morally right. I disagree. I think it's perfectly right and my morals are just fine. You also claim that if I don't live up to YOUR standards (by taking a job that you feel I should), I'm a disgrace.

So, call me more names, I don't care. I'm done talking to you since you obviously are incapable of listening to anything other than your own opinion.

The dole exists to help people who cannot find employment.

You freely admit that you're happy to turn down / avoid employment.

Terms like "leeching", "disgrace" and "morally wrong" are unfortunately 100% appropriate to your circumstances.

Save yourself, win back some dignity and go and apply to the fast food outlet.

You seem like a smart enough person but you've resorted to rationalising to excuse your shameful behaviour. Do the decent thing and take the first job that comes along. It'll make it easier to get the next.

This won't last for ever...the IMF and society in general are coming after you...if you're not careful you may find yourself destitute with no benefits and wishing that you'd gone for the job in Dino's.

Tombi!

Jame Gumb wrote: »

The dole exists to help people who cannot find employment.

You freely admit that you're happy to turn down / avoid employment.

Terms like "leeching", "disgrace" and "morally wrong" are unfortunately 100% appropriate to your circumstances.

Save yourself, win back some dignity and go and apply to the fast food outlet.

You seem like a smart enough person but you've resorted to rationalising to excuse your shameful behaviour. Do the decent thing and take the first job that comes along. It'll make it easier to get the next.

This won't last for ever...the IMF and society in general are coming after you...if you're not careful you may find yourself destitute with no benefits and wishing that you'd gone for the job in Dino's.

Nice try. But if you're just going to try to insult me more and degrade me and try to scare me, try harder or stop trying.

Again, as I have stated, I am doing everything correctly and I am 100% morally clear and happy with that.

scdublin

Ok well keep looking, and good luck. And don't rule out doing a FAS course or something along those lines...a friend of mine did one of those a few years back and is now doing very well in a known computer company. There are facilities set up to help you no matter your circumstances.

Tombi!

scdublin wrote: »

Ok well keep looking, and good luck. And don't rule out doing a FAS course or something along those lines...a friend of mine did one of those a few years back and is now doing very well in a known computer company.

I did attempt for a few but the short version was "there aren't enough people so we're cancelling it".
The longer version was "wait and see, we might get some more".

Cheers, though.

Grayson

bluewolf wrote: »

yeah no point even trying right

the signs have been up a while

I'm replying to this because it is the single dumbest point I've seen so far in this thread.

My two best friends worked in resteraunts all the way through college. Bboth graduated. Neither could find a graduate position. One has managed to find parttime work in ireland, in a cafe, after being unemployed for 6 months. The other moved to spain where he works part time in a resteraunt. He moved because the best job he could get was 12 hours a week in a resteraunt. These guys have great CV's, plenty of experience and work hard. But they found it impossible to get a job cleaning off tables.

I'm not saying they're the rule, but they found it damn hard to get a job in a very basic service industry where they had experience.

You however seem to think that a few signs in town indicate that there are 250,000 unemployed people who aren't bothered working.

How arrogant are you that you can look down on people like that. What makes you think you can judge so many people like that?

Marcin_diy

I went through few pages - wondering why nobody blamed Eastern Europeans for taking yer jobs...

Tombi!

Marcin_diy wrote: »

I went through few pages - wondering why nobody blamed Eatern Europeans for taking yer jobs...

Oh feck!
Sorry, that's the number one reason: all the Polish people stole the jobs :pac:

Jame Gumb

Brutal Deluxe, I'm not sure how you live with yourself to be honest.

Do you accept that your case proves that the dole is too high (on the basis that you're happy to refuse job opportunities)? Do you accept that the system is deeply flawed?

Tombi!

Jame Gumb wrote: »

Brutal Deluxe, I'm not sure how you live with yourself to be honest.

Do you accept that your case proves that the dole is too high (on the basis that you're happy to refuse job opportunities)? Do you accept that the system is deeply flawed?

No, I accept you're talking about a job that I have no idea exists.
I also accept that you have no idea of my circumstances.
I finally accept that the system is indeed flawed. I should be using the medical more often to be more of a scrounger but alas, I do not

Jame Gumb

I'm trying to get a cleaner at the moment - Somebody to do a day / day and a half a week.

I haven't seen one Irish person yet.

People need to lower their expectations.

Tombi!

Jame Gumb wrote: »

I'm trying to get a cleaner at the moment - Somebody to do a day / day and a half a week.

I haven't seen one Irish person yet.

People need to lower their expectations.

Link to the site the job is on and I'll try apply.

Jame Gumb

Brutal Deluxe wrote: »

Jame Gumb wrote: »

I'm trying to get a cleaner at the moment - Somebody to do a day / day and a half a week.

I haven't seen one Irish person yet.

People need to lower their expectations.

Link to the site the job is on and I'll try apply.

I doubt that you would.

jjll

why dont people who run imf come and live on the money we get on dole

Tombi!

Jame Gumb wrote: »

I doubt that you would.

Well folks, I tried.

Glad to see you showed your actual beliefs.

Tabitha Tusdar

the problem with forcing people to take any old job is that most employers wont hire those people with degree's in one field or another for a job at a supermarket or fast food outlet or bar... they just say your over qualified and end up hiring immigrants.

Jame Gumb

jjll wrote: »

why dont people who run imf come and live on the money we get on dole

Why should they?

Society is bailing people on the dole out and the IMF are bailing out society.

Are you suggesting that the successful wealthy educated clever guys who run the IMF are comparable to people on the dole?

emul8ter25

Brutal Deluxe wrote: »

For an extra 120 is it.

But I'm not working for free, ever. It's not as if I'm doing anything wrong, either. So I'm happy enough.

Theres that typical entitled attitude. No wonder this country is going to complete ****.

A_Sober_Paddy

Tabitha Tusdar wrote: »

the problem with forcing people to take any old job is that most employers wont hire those people with degree's in one field or another for a job at a supermarket or fast food outlet or bar... they just say your over qualified and end up hiring immigrants.

Ive noticed that first hand earlier this week. 2 mates handed CV's into a cafe, 1 with a degree the other with just his LC...the one with just the LC gets the interview.

So it looks like having a degree will count against you for low level jobs now

Jame Gumb

Brutal Deluxe wrote: »

Jame Gumb wrote: »

I doubt that you would.

Well folks, I tried.

Glad to see you showed your actual beliefs.

Would you clean my house, do my washing and iron my clothes for 1 day every week if I paid you (say) €84 (€12 an hour for 7 hours)?

Would that mess up your dole claim?

Tombi!

Jame Gumb wrote: »

Would you clean my house, do my washing and iron my clothes for 1 day every week if I paid you (say) €84 (€12 an hour for 7 hours)?

Would that mess up your dole claim?

You said a cleaner. Not an ironer.

christmas2012

they are running after small fry with the dole,what about the civil servants pay,and ceos/consultants,senators,and politicians double jobbing etc..

Sonics2k

Jame Gumb wrote: »

Why should they?

Society is bailing people on the dole out and the IMF are bailing out society.

Are you suggesting that the successful wealthy educated clever guys who run the IMF are comparable to people on the dole?

You mean like the tens of thousands of formerly successful, educated and clever people who are currently on the dole?

When will people understand. There are scroungers on the dole, nobody is denying this, but it has also been shown they are a tiny minority.

Sadly, the vast majority of people who have had to go on the dole since the recession kicked in are people who had careers (like myself) but the business was forced to let people go, and so we've had hell trying to get back into work.

I agree on cutting down on the amount of benefits, but it is not fair to screw over those who are genuinely trying to live on €188 a week and survive.

It's driving people to fúcking suicide, and all you lot are saying is they're scroungers. Wake up.

Jame Gumb

Brutal Deluxe wrote: »

Jame Gumb wrote: »

I doubt that you would.

Well folks, I tried.

Glad to see you showed your actual beliefs.

Feck it, I'll give you a shot - PM me details regarding yourself and your experience.

Tombi!

Jame Gumb wrote: »

Feck it, I'll give you a shot - PM me details regarding yourself and your experience.

No. One, I don't trust you now. Two, I have no idea where the job is. And three, honestly, I'd feel a bit queasy working for someone who thinks I'm a leech (no offense intended).

kulareggae

Jame Gumb wrote: »

I'm trying to get a cleaner at the moment - Somebody to do a day / day and a half a week.

I haven't seen one Irish person yet.

People need to lower their expectations.[/Quote
il b happy to apply for it x

TwoShedsJackson

Jame Gumb wrote: »

Which says it all really.

If anyone is content to be on the dole, it's clear that the system is deeply flawed.

People should be clawing to get off the dole and back into the workplace.

If they're not, the system must be radically altered.

Why is it automatically the system that's flawed? Could it not be those people, the 5% of chronic dolers or whatever it is, that are flawed, and they're never going to get jobs anyway?

Jame Gumb

Sonics2k wrote: »

Jame Gumb wrote: »

Why should they?

Society is bailing people on the dole out and the IMF are bailing out society.

Are you suggesting that the successful wealthy educated clever guys who run the IMF are comparable to people on the dole?

You mean like the tens of thousands of formerly successful, educated and clever people who are currently on the dole?

When will people understand. There are scroungers on the dole, nobody is denying this, but it has also been shown they are a tiny minority.

Sadly, the vast majority of people who have had to go on the dole since the recession kicked in are people who had careers (like myself) but the business was forced to let people go, and so we've had hell trying to get back into work.

I agree on cutting down on the amount of benefits, but it is not fair to screw over those who are genuinely trying to live on €188 a week and survive.

It's driving people to fúcking suicide, and all you lot are saying is they're scroungers. Wake up.

I agree.

Nobody is saying that everyone that's on the file is a scrounger.

My wish is to see the dole of scroungers cut so that there's more money to help genuine cases and kickstart the economy.

My definition of a scrounger is:

- Somebody who does not want to work and is happy to stay on the dole.

- Somebody who turns down work on the basis that it's beneath them.

Marcin_diy

Tabitha Tusdar wrote: »

the problem with forcing people to take any old job is that most employers wont hire those people with degree's in one field or another for a job at a supermarket or fast food outlet or bar... they just say your over qualified and end up hiring immigrants.

I guess you don't know how many immigrants with master degree are cleaners/ waitress/ builders , etc in place where you work.

Dave!

Do the people forming the 'hunt' part of this witch hunt believe that unemployed people should take any job that appears, including for example stripping, porn, and other such sordid goodness? If not, why not? And where do you draw the line in terms of jobs that someone should reasonably be expected to apply for? Thanks

Tombi!

Dave! wrote: »

Do the people forming the 'hunt' part of this witch hunt believe that unemployed people should take any job that appears, including for example stripping, porn, and other such sordid goodness? If not, why not? And where do you draw the line in terms of jobs that someone should reasonably be expected to apply for? Thanks

I *think* the only ones that they don't demand people take is the door-to-door sales ones.

I think they're adamant that cold-calling and chugging are full time "jobs", though.

Sonics2k

Jame Gumb wrote: »

I agree.

Nobody is saying that everyone that's on the file is a scrounger.

My wish is to see the dole of scroungers cut so that there's more money to help genuine cases and kickstart the economy.

My definition of a scrounger is:

- Somebody who does not want to work and is happy to stay on the dole.

- Somebody who turns down work on the basis that it's beneath them.

But that's not what is happening here.

Everyone who is currently unemployed and on the dole is being treated like any scumbag who has never had a job and get's it all, and I agree they are scum and need to stop getting so much.

But I had my first job when I was 12 years old, I settled into a career and had a family, my own home and all of that. I did two years in the army, I've done all the courses I was suitable for.

Because of the recession and losing my job I actually lost my family, lost my home and found myself in more debt than I could believe.

I've had my education, I have my skills, but I'm currently applying to the local chipper and have truly been told "I'm over-qualified" for it.

The vast majority of people on the dole right now are people like me, people drowning in debt, bills and panic. Meanwhile members of the Dail are getting paid insane amounts of pay and won't cut it down for búll**** legal reasons.

Sonics2k

Brutal Deluxe wrote: »

I *think* the only ones that they don't demand people take is the door-to-door sales ones.

I think they're adamant that cold-calling and chugging are full time "jobs", though.

I worked as a door to door salesman for about two years, and it's a terrible job honestly. Sometimes you can make some good money, but it's extremely rare to get a good run.

I wouldn't wish that job on my worst enemy.

puffishoes

A_Sober_Paddy wrote: »

Ive noticed that first hand earlier this week. 2 mates handed CV's into a cafe, 1 with a degree the other with just his LC...the one with just the LC gets the interview.

So it looks like having a degree will count against you for low level jobs now

maybe the guy with the leaving cert just had a better CV or cover letter? maybe the guy with the degree had spelling mistakes? maybe the guy with the lc had more relevant experience?

lesserspottedchloe

Dave! wrote: »

Do the people forming the 'hunt' part of this witch hunt believe that unemployed people should take any job that appears, including for example stripping, porn, and other such sordid goodness? If not, why not? And where do you draw the line in terms of jobs that someone should reasonably be expected to apply for? Thanks

Also could you let me know what kind of Jobs that you have that allow you to spend hours on Boards ranting, raving and arguing with people-sound like cushy numbers!

A_Sober_Paddy

puffishoes wrote: »

maybe the guy with the leaving cert just had a better CV or cover letter? maybe the guy with the degree had spelling mistakes? maybe the guy with the lc had more relevant experience?

The guy with the degree had more experience, and certainly had at least a CV or the same quality or better...

Guy with degree speaks a number of languages and in all likelihood was of greater intelligence that the manager of the cafe.

puffishoes

Dave! wrote: »

Do the people forming the 'hunt' part of this witch hunt believe that unemployed people should take any job that appears, including for example stripping, porn, and other such sordid goodness? If not, why not? And where do you draw the line in terms of jobs that someone should reasonably be expected to apply for? Thanks

people should take jobs for minimum wage != should take a large one in the rear end.

I think we're all generally on the same page here, no one is saying stick your arse out of a tree in the phoenix park.

puffishoes

A_Sober_Paddy wrote: »

The guy with the degree had more experience, and certainly had at least a CV or the same quality or better...

i said relevant. not better.

recruiters have varying opinions on what they want. maybe they liked his interests more as they suited the vibe? who knows.

if putting a degree down is hampering. then don't put it there.

A_Sober_Paddy

puffishoes wrote: »

i said relevant. not better.

recruiters have varying opinions on what they want. maybe they liked his interests more as they suited the vibe? who knows.

if putting a degree down is hampering. then don't put it there.

When I said better it should have read relevant

Sparks43

Aint all that easy to get a job tbh

I was 15 years as a barman .Then the trade died and i couldnt even get Part time work:mad:

Had done my Ecdl while i was working and paid for it my self.

So instead of sitting on my arse i went down and applied for a Pc maintenance course.

Now this is where it gets good.

Went to the open day got interviewed and was asked to take some tests.

4 Different papers with 186 Questions

I enjoy tests so i blasted through them with no problems at all (Maths Logic being strong points of mine)

Felt confident that i would get a place and was told to expect a letter in a couple of weeks.

Time passed and no sign so i got onto the unfit F.I.T girl and asked was there any news.

She said that i had missed out over my test.Shocked i enquired what i scored as i felt i had done quite well.

She had a check and i noticed a change in her tone she asked was i sure that i got no reply from the collage as my scores were very high(185/186)

2 days later i get a call back that the course had started and it was full but if a place came up i was first on the list.:mad:

3 weeks into the course i got a message that there had been a drop out and i had a place.Thought it would be a nightmare to catch up but got everything in the end.

Many more cockups over the year with books/tools taking months to arrive.Instructor AWOL 75% of the time and promised work placements never materializing.

The Adult education is a joke tbh i Had a place on two further courses and neither are going ahead.

Hoping i can get a place on my 3rd choice for September but if a job comes even if its shoveling chit i will snap at it.

I have sent out 70 or so Cvs in the last month or so and have had 3 replies saying thanks but no thanks.

Kinda gets you down :mad:

puffishoes

Sonics2k wrote: »

You mean like the tens of thousands of formerly successful, educated and clever people who are currently on the dole?

When will people understand. There are scroungers on the dole, nobody is denying this, but it has also been shown they are a tiny minority.

Sadly, the vast majority of people who have had to go on the dole since the recession kicked in are people who had careers (like myself) but the business was forced to let people go, and so we've had hell trying to get back into work.

I agree on cutting down on the amount of benefits, but it is not fair to screw over those who are genuinely trying to live on €188 a week and survive.

It's driving people to fúcking suicide, and all you lot are saying is they're scroungers. Wake up.

being educated doesn't remove you from the scrounger list. scrounging to me is the actions you take while unemployed if that's a phd student prancing around untill the "right" job comes, it's scrounging.

Dave!

puffishoes wrote: »

people should take jobs for minimum wage != should take a large one in the rear end.

I think we're all generally on the same page here, no one is saying stick your arse out of a tree in the phoenix park.

Just trying to establish where the line is drawn. Seems a bit arbitrary. Some people would find working as a bin man or sweeping streets as being as degrading and humiliating as working in porn, but I suspect there are people in this thread who would expect people on the dole to jump at the chance of those jobs.

A_Sober_Paddy

puffishoes wrote: »

people should take jobs for minimum wage != should take a large one in the rear end.

I think we're all generally on the same page here, no one is saying stick your arse out of a tree in the phoenix park.

I'd be happy for a minimum wage job...but have not been offered one yet

puffishoes

Dave! wrote: »

Just trying to establish where the line is drawn. Seems a bit arbitrary. Some people would find working as a bin man or sweeping streets as being as degrading and humiliating as working in porn, but I suspect there are people in this thread who would expect people on the dole to jump at the chance of those jobs.

You're comparing being a bin man with being paid to have sex with a stranger.


We don't really need to continue to this discussion do we?

Tombi!

puffishoes wrote: »

You're comparing being a bin man with being paid to have sex with a stranger.


We don't really need to continue to this discussion do we?

Some would be fine with having sex on camera. Others would find being a binman to be degrading.

It's not that hard to understand.

puffishoes

A_Sober_Paddy wrote: »

I'd be happy for a minimum wage job...but have not been offered one yet

even your language, "offered" what do you mean offered? like head hunted? like a job to land on the door step?

don't wait to be "offered" a job go out and get one.

Tombi!

puffishoes wrote: »

even your language, "offered" what do you mean offered? like head hunted? like a job to land on the door step?

don't wait to be "offered" a job go out and get one.

I'd imagine it was more of a "apply, not offered".

mikom

Jame Gumb wrote: »

Why should they?

Society is bailing people on the dole out and the IMF are bailing out society.

Are you suggesting that the successful wealthy educated clever guys who run the IMF are comparable to people on the dole?

It's on every Christmas.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0086465/

I suggest watching it with a glass of Chardonnay.

A_Sober_Paddy

puffishoes wrote: »

even your language, "offered" what do you mean offered? like head hunted? like a job to land on the door step?

don't wait to be "offered" a job go out and get one.

Well I've applied online, in-store and ask mates. Handed in CV's all over the place... Not even got an interview

Tombi!

A_Sober_Paddy wrote: »

Well I've applied online, in-store and ask mates. Handed in CV's all over the place... Not even got an interview

Just a thought, you do go back in/phone them a few days afterwards, right?

Usually you get the lovely "sorry, need more experience" or (my personal favourite) "we have enough applicants, sorry".

puffishoes

A_Sober_Paddy wrote: »

Well I've applied online, in-store and ask mates. Handed in CV's all over the place... Not even got an interview

Amazing, you're doing what everyone else is doing.

maybe use your imagination and try something different. stand out a little bit.

this is not 2005