'Cut the dole' they say: What the IMF wants, the IMF gets

Tombi!

puffishoes wrote: »

Amazing, you're doing what everyone else is doing.

maybe use your imagination and try something different. stand out a little bit.

this is not 2005

And do tell me, what would you like him to do?

A_Sober_Paddy

puffishoes wrote: »

Amazing, you're doing what everyone else is doing.

maybe use your imagination and try something different. stand out a little bit.

this is not 2005

Cool on the condescendence

Sonics2k

puffishoes wrote: »

Amazing, you're doing what everyone else is doing.

maybe use your imagination and try something different. stand out a little bit.

this is not 2005

And tell us, what -exactly- do you think he should do?

Hire a marching band to hail his entrance to the store? A quartet of scantily dressed ladies proclaiming his name with orgasmic glee so the manager knows that this man is not only a man of the people, but a first class lover too?

mikom

puffishoes wrote: »

Amazing, you're doing what everyone else is doing.

maybe use your imagination and try something different. stand out a little bit.

this is not 2005

Turn up to interview wearing a Borat mankini perhaps.......

OMARS_COMING_

Personally,i think the dole should be increased.

There are some weeks that i can only afford to go on a Friday and Saturday night,where as before i used to go out at least 4 nights a week :mad:

This country is a disgrace.

Crann na Beatha

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war_child

see puffi is still handing out their own specific type of universal rubbish , must be quite lonely out on that ledge by urself puff. Careful ya dont get a push pal , dont know what this has become MOD i left it 4 hours ago coz i was biting my tongue and was starting to hurt.

melekalikimaka

i just find it hard to grasp the real issue personally, in my extended group of friends and family, theres a small small minority unemployed, and truth be told its by choice on their parts. Some have degrees, some do not, some have moved away, none because they HAD to, all by choice. From where I see it its very much an attiude thing when it comes to job hunting, there is alot of jobs out there, where i work theres at least 20 jobs a month popping up in a well paid company, most the roles requiring little experience and they hire from all standards of education. I try to feel for the people who are looking for work, by from where i see it, it seems theres work out there, maybe people just arent looking in the right places

Boombastic

Aquila wrote: »

What in the name of Joe Duffy has this thread become?

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war_child

Dave! wrote: »

Just trying to establish where the line is drawn. Seems a bit arbitrary. Some people would find working as a bin man or sweeping streets as being as degrading and humiliating as working in porn, but I suspect there are people in this thread who would expect people on the dole to jump at the chance of those jobs.

to be honest i would jump at the chance of doing porn ...aslong as it pays , any job will do now sweeping the streets , cleaning wheelie bins , cutting grass anything will do at this stage.Ive beenon the register nowfor a whilehave had many rejection letters , even family arent in the position of offering any work. The majority of people signing on are out searching the city high and low for jobs and its a shame that the majority should be punished because of the actions of a minority of fraudsters.....just my 2 cents thrown in

Reality_Check1

To the people saying there are no jobs - here is some anecdotal evidence to the contrary.

There are about 100 people in my class. when we broke for the summer break anyone who wanted to work got a job almost immediately. Granted its mostly ****e work that nobody else will take i.e. macdonalds, delivering for pizza hut, call centres etc etc but without causing offense to anyone here I'm seeing that people who actually want to work get a job sooner rather than later

Tombi!

Reality_Check1 wrote: »

To the people saying there are no jobs - here is some anecdotal evidence to the contrary.

There are about 100 people in my class. when we broke for the summer break anyone who wanted to work got a job almost immediately. Granted its mostly ****e work that nobody else will take i.e. macdonalds, delivering for pizza hut, call centres etc etc but without causing offense to anyone here I'm seeing that people who actually want to work get a job sooner rather than later

And what do we do when we can't get the CVs accepted? And by call centres please don't tell me you mean comision jobs

christmas2012

To the people saying there are no jobs - here is some anecdotal evidence to the contrary.

There are about 100 people in my class. when we broke for the summer break anyone who wanted to work got a job almost immediately. Granted its mostly ****e work that nobody else will take i.e. macdonalds, delivering for pizza hut, call centres etc etc but without causing offense to anyone here I'm seeing that people who actually want to work get a job sooner rather than laterTo the people saying there are no jobs - here is some anecdotal evidence to the contrary.

thats bs there are peole emigrating every week from ireland to oz and canada and the us and the uk every week..

on average there are 50 people to one job in ireland - thats a fact.

3ndahalfof6

Reality_Check1 wrote: »

To the people saying there are no jobs - here is some anecdotal evidence to the contrary.

There are about 100 people in my class. when we broke for the summer break anyone who wanted to work got a job almost immediately. Granted its mostly ****e work that nobody else will take i.e. macdonalds, delivering for pizza hut, call centres etc etc but without causing offense to anyone here I'm seeing that people who actually want to work get a job sooner rather than later

so im guessing you and your class mates can thank those people who decide to stay at home rather than take the menial tasks you speak about.

Reality_Check1

Brutal Deluxe wrote: »

And what do we do when we can't get the CVs accepted? And by call centres please don't tell me you mean comision jobs

no call centers as in running surveys are some shiz I dunno - definitely not selling anything

christmas2012 wrote: »

thats bs there are peole emigrating every week from ireland to oz and canada and the us and the uk every week..

on average there are 50 people to one job in ireland - thats a fact.

Im not disputing that Im just pointing out that anyone who wanted to work found work. We are all busto students so are willing to do work other people would consider below them

Reality_Check1

3ndahalfof6 wrote: »

so im guessing you and your class mates can thank those people who decide to stay at home rather than take the menial tasks you speak about.

yeah I suppose so

Tombi!

Reality_Check1 wrote: »

no call centers as in running surveys are some shiz I dunno - definitely not selling anything

Interesting. It wasn't any sort of comission at all?

christmas2012

Im not disputing that Im just pointing out that anyone who wanted to work found work.

youre chances of getting a job are 50 - to - 1 ..''busto student'' or not..

Reality_Check1

Brutal Deluxe wrote: »

Interesting. It wasn't any sort of comission at all?

no not at all. My gf did it before in a place in Blackrock and she just used to ring up a list of numbers for some random surveys I dunno how it works tbh

I also did that door to door ****e before so I know how bad that can be and how it works

Piste

My name is URL wrote: »

Funny how they've never suggested that our politicians take a pay cut. I mean by international standards their salaries are extraordinarily high.. even more so than welfare rates are.

To give an idea of just how out of step our dear leaders are

Poland - average MP salary = €33,000
Spain = €40,000
Portugal = €47,000
Finland = €74,000

Ireland = €103,000

And that's just basic salary. If you take into account expense allowances and actual hours worked, the gap is far far greater. But yeah.. you'll never hear a peep from the IMF about that... they wouldn't want to go upsetting the apple cart. If they make drastic cuts to welfare, while neglecting to adjust their own inflated salaries; I can see things boiling over in the near future. The ever widening gulf between classes is a disaster waiting to happen.

I don't think it's fair comparing absolute values, all of those salaries have to be adjusted for Purchasing Power Parity, otherwise they're more or less meaningless.

Tombi!

Reality_Check1 wrote: »

no not at all. My gf did it before in a place in Blackrock and she just used to ring up a list of numbers for some random surveys I dunno how it works tbh

I also did that door to door ****e before so I know how bad that can be and how it works

If it's not comission, well done to them.
If it comission based, best of luck, they'll need it

sock puppet

christmas2012 wrote: »

youre chances of getting a job are 50 - to - 1 ..''busto student'' or not..

Says who?

Reality_Check1

christmas2012 wrote: »

youre chances of getting a job are 50 - to - 1 ..''busto student'' or not..

lol so of the 70 or so who got work (using this figure as an example not exact and the other 30 are either not arsed working or left the country). The odds of all of us getting a job are roughly

50 to the power of 70 which gives us 8.470329e+118

(e+ is used when the figure would be too large to write normally but think greater than zillions)

Thats some odds should have stuck a euro on it

The odds of getting a job are definitely not that high is what Im saying

Sin City

melekalikimaka wrote: »

i just find it hard to grasp the real issue personally, in my extended group of friends and family, theres a small small minority unemployed, and truth be told its by choice on their parts. Some have degrees, some do not, some have moved away, none because they HAD to, all by choice. From where I see it its very much an attiude thing when it comes to job hunting, there is alot of jobs out there, where i work theres at least 20 jobs a month popping up in a well paid company, most the roles requiring little experience and they hire from all standards of education. I try to feel for the people who are looking for work, by from where i see it, it seems theres work out there, maybe people just arent looking in the right places

Can you get me a job in the well paid company which requires little expierence?

christmas2012

To give an idea of just how out of step our dear leaders are

Poland - average MP salary = €33,000
Spain = €40,000
Portugal = €47,000
Finland = €74,000

Ireland = €103,000

Nope i think its fair comparing ''absolute'' values considering their taking an extended summer holiday break too..

It all needs to be looked at whats good for the goose is good for the gander,why should we let them sit on their expensive arses for 3 monts or 2 months or whatever,while they provide no service to the public,they dont represent us effectively as it is,theres lots that needs to be done and they are taking a break?!
Think of it,if a company was run like that staff would be fired,but you know what they say about state jobs , you could pratically stand on your head and not get fired.and its true!

golden lane

christmas2012 wrote: »

Nope i think its fair comparing ''absolute'' values considering their taking an extended summer holiday break too..

It all needs to be looked at whats good for the goose is good for the gander,why should we let them sit on their expensive arses for 3 monts or 2 months or whatever,while they provide no service to the public,they dont represent us effectively as it is,theres lots that needs to be done and they are taking a break?!

i remember as a child in poverty in 1950's dublin......our president got more that the president of the usa.......

why would anybody expect it to change now......poverty hasn't arrived yet......

christmas2012

Reality_Check1 wrote: »

lol so of the 70 or so who got work (using this figure as an example not exact and the other 30 are either not arsed working or left the country). The odds of all of us getting a job are roughly

50 to the power of 70 which gives us 8.470329e+118

(e+ is used when the figure would be too large to write normally but think greater than zillions)

Thats some odds should have stuck a euro on it

The odds of getting a job are definitely not that high is what Im saying

Doing your little equation doesnt take away from the reality that on average in ireland there are fifty to one chances for one to get a job,on average interviewers in ireland reported 40 + interviewees per job,that was a recent survey done in ireland google it,look it up for yourself,dont rely on me for it..

war_child

agree with ya there golden poverty hasnt arrived yet but i can feel everyone as they read your comment take a huge breath in .

If it hasnt arrived yet and people are currently struggling what do we have to look forward to , back to the old tenements , 20 families on 5 floors . i Come from a Dublin family who were in benburb street in the old tenements and when i hear the stories jesus it makes me weep. There seriously has to be some sort of affirmative action taken because as u stated poverty hasnt arrived but when it does ..to quote the joker " these so called civilised people will eat each other "

sock puppet

christmas2012 wrote: »

Doing your little equation doesnt take away from the reality that on average in ireland there are fifty to one chances for one to get a job,on average interviewers in ireland reported 40 + interviewees per job,that was a recent survey done in ireland google it,look it up for yourself,dont rely on me for it..

So this (unverified) survey says that someone has a 1 in 50 shot at landing each job. So does each person only gets one shot at a job and then that's it? No one has multiple interviews?

Reality_Check1

christmas2012 wrote: »

Doing your little equation doesnt take away from the reality that on average in ireland there are fifty to one chances for one to get a job,on average interviewers in ireland reported 40 + interviewees per job,that was a recent survey done in ireland google it,look it up for yourself,dont rely on me for it..

well if there were 40+ people going for certain jobs that doesnt make it 50/1 furthermore Im sure there have been jobs with only 1/2 applicants. I got offered a position working in macdonalds where I was the only one applying.

lol 50/1 my eye its figures like that people throw around to make excuses for not finding or more importantly looking for work

Reality_Check1

to put what christmas is saying into figures I can get my head around. He/she is saying that the odds of say 3 people getting ANY job is 125000/1 (50 x 50 x 50)

Does anyone want to lay me that bet - I'll have €2 on it

lol nonsense

Grayson

I'm actually lucky. I hate my job, but I've been in it 4 1/2 years. I got in just before the recession kicked in.

The mad thing is this. Even in the call centre here, you need loads of experience now. Everyone in that dept has at least 12 months experience in a call centre and most have a degree too. The reason is because when they advertise 10 places they can get a thousand replies. They can't review 1000 CV's and they certainly can't interview that many. So they immediately filter out everyone who has less than 12 months call centre experience. That leaves them with maybe 500 CV's. After that they filter out everyone who hasn't a degree (unless they've got amazing experience). And they're left with maybe 200 CV's. At that point they can start sorting through them and pick the 20 or 30 that they want to interview.

And that's for a call centre job.

At this point, with so many unemployed, it's getting harder and harder to enter the workforce. I was lucky. If I was applying now, I probably wouldn't have gotten it. And it's just as bad in other sectors.
It's a big issue all across europe. You have graduates who can't get entry level jobs. So how are people without qualifications supposed to get started. Young people today are especially screwed.

golden lane

war_child wrote: »

agree with ya there golden poverty hasnt arrived yet but i can feel everyone as they read your comment take a huge breath in .

If it hasnt arrived yet and people are currently struggling what do we have to look forward to , back to the old tenements , 20 families on 5 floors . i Come from a Dublin family who were in benburb street in the old tenements and when i hear the stories jesus it makes me weep. There seriously has to be some sort of affirmative action taken because as u stated poverty hasnt arrived but when it does ..to quote the joker " these so called civilised people will eat each other "

i realise poverty is relative.....i am not trying to diminish the hard times people are going through.....but in many posts, ireland has the highest social payments in the world...in others, people are starving....

there seems to be a terrible confusion as to what people really get.....or is it just a load of moaners on the forum...

i was reared in one room, a family of five....no electricity, no cooker, outside toilet.......but that was not all dublin....maybe just ten percent.....it has not done me any harm.......probably did me a world of good.....

war_child

reality summer holiday jobs are fine foryou and your other student type , but what about the rest of us who have obligations and commitments that extend further than 3 months of the year, contract summer or xmas work is fine but what happens the other 9months of the year

Average joe ..oh yes woohooo i have 3 months of eating and then back to being homeless.

Average student... oh well i suppose i should really for the next 3 months give my parents a reprieve and actually lift something heavier than a pen and notebook.

Come back and talk about getting a job and keeping it for more than 3 months wen ur balls drop and ur kids are lookin at ya and ur wonderin how ur gonna pay to keep the roof over their heads.

bbam

golden lane wrote: »

i realise poverty is relative.....i am not trying to diminish the hard times people are going through.....but in many posts, ireland has the highest social payments in the world...in others, people are starving....

there seems to be a terrible confusion as to what people really get.....or is it just a load of moaners on the forum...

i was reared in one room, a family of five....no electricity, no cooker, outside toilet.......but that was not all dublin....maybe just ten percent.....it has not done me any harm.......probably did me a world of good.....

Two things spring to mind.
1. SW rates here are capable of sustaining families with modest lifestyles. Those having extravagant lifestyles on SW are probably hacking the system by working for cash on the side. Families relying solely on SW are not living it up by any means.
2. I'm thinking your description of being reared in poor conditions may be a ruse. But even so times have moved on and we should expect people to have a decent standard of living. Going by your thinking, I broke my leg once should we break everyone's leg so they suffer likewise.

Reality_Check1

war_child wrote: »

reality summer holiday jobs are fine foryou and your other student type , but what about the rest of us who have obligations and commitments that extend further than 3 months of the year, contract summer or xmas work is fine but what happens the other 9months of the year

Average joe ..oh yes woohooo i have 3 months of eating and then back to being homeless.

Average student... oh well i suppose i should really for the next 3 months give my parents a reprieve and actually lift something heavier than a pen and notebook.

Come back and talk about getting a job and keeping it for more than 3 months wen ur balls drop and ur kids are lookin at ya and ur wonderin how ur gonna pay to keep the roof over their heads.

lol I set the trap and it was sprung straight away - thank you sir

If 3 month contracts are fine why dont people take them on then? Why dont they work for 3 months and be on the doll for 9 instead of staying on it all year around? riddle me that

FYI since you seem to be so mad I have 2 jobs at the moment (one I have all year round as part time and a second one working full time over the summer) My parents cant afford to pay for me nor would I ask them to. I suppose putting myself through college isnt the same as having to mind kids but I'm glad silly pride issues would leave them starving if I did have to take on the responsibility

maun

housetypeb wrote: »

That confuses and confounds me.

I completed a Bachelor of Pharmacy but I've worked in the pharmacy where I began my internship a few weeks ago for the last three years. I'm doing pretty much the same work now as I had been doing then. I've yet to some across a pharmacist who cannot find work and there are jobs going for technicians too at the moment.

golden lane

bbam wrote: »

Two things spring to mind.
1. SW rates here are capable of sustaining families with modest lifestyles. Those having extravagant lifestyles on SW are probably hacking the system by working for cash on the side. Families relying solely on SW are not living it up by any means.
2. I'm thinking your description of being reared in poor conditions may be a ruse. But even so times have moved on and we should expect people to have a decent standard of living. Going by your thinking, I broke my leg once should we break everyone's leg so they suffer likewise.

you haven't read my post then....

maryk123

my biggest grief is when someone turns 18 they are automatically entitled to the dole. to hand an 18 year old 100euro for doing nothing and contributing nothing does my head in. it should have to be earned to show teenagers you cant get something for nothing

ilovesleep

Jame Gumb wrote: »

@kinski

The employment situation obviously isn't going to be solved by the jobs that are available in the fast food sector.

But their availability is a symptom of the deeper and wider problem - That many unemployed Irish people see themselves as being above such roles.

No unemployed person should be above working in a fast food outlet. And as for stuff like "it's not safe to get from Terenure to Dublin 1 at 3am"? Any inspector worth his salt should write "cut benefits by 50% across the file of such a person.

Their availability?

Are you standing outside every chipper in Ireland watching them put up staff wanted signs on their windows and counting how many days/weeks such a sign stays up?

Are you counting how many people are walking in with CVs?

- The availability of some jobs in some chippers is a sign that irish people won't take them

Such claptrap

My mam tried for work years back in the local supermacs but she wasn't accepted.
A girl I knew back in 2006, coming out from college tried for work in supermarkets, cafes, restaurants, shops, hotels, chippers. She could not get work. She ended up going back to college.
I had a similiar back in 06 but eventually got work in my field. But I wasn't accepted in tescos, dunnes, other shops, cafes, restaurants, other establishments.

We have a much bigger problem in this country which you will never ever be able to see.

Since the Nice Treaty, Ireland welcomed every tom, dick and harry and their mothers from eastern europe to our shores where many of those worked very hard flipping burgers. I'm sure in many chippers the management would prefer an eastern european than an irish.

Irish people are being discriminated against in our own country.

CucaFace

I see a lot of people talking about not getting interviews/jobs ect because of being over qualified.

Well then why don't you just create a different CV for these types of jobs?

You know that your degree's unfortunately won't be any use to you in say a chipper or supermarket, then why don't you go and create a new CV leaving out such details?

The end will justify the means.

CucaFace

ilovesleep wrote: »

Their availability?

Are you standing outside every chipper in Ireland watching them put up staff wanted signs on their windows and counting how many days/weeks such a sign stays up?

Are you counting how many people are walking in with CVs?

- The availability of some jobs in some chippers is a sign that irish people won't take them

Such claptrap

My mam tried for work years back in the local supermacs but she wasn't accepted.
A girl I knew back in 2006, coming out from college tried for work in supermarkets, cafes, restaurants, shops, hotels, chippers. She could not get work. She ended up going back to college.
I had a similiar back in 06 but eventually got work in my field. But I wasn't accepted in tescos, dunnes, other shops, cafes, restaurants, other establishments.

We have a much bigger problem in this country which you will never ever be able to see.

Since the Nice Treaty, Ireland welcomed every tom, dick and harry and their mothers from eastern europe to our shores where many of those worked very hard flipping burgers. I'm sure in many chippers the management would prefer an eastern european than an irish.

Irish people are being discriminated against in our own country.

No they are just better workers and more realiable then Irish.

Sad fact.

Used to work on building sites with them. They are here to make money for themselves and their families and would take every minute of overtime going, while we couldn't finish up quick enough each day (myself included here).

I guess it comes from coming countires where they have very little oppertunites.

Our parents generation were the same.

Our generation i guess just grew up in an easier time and so are not the same.

Tombi!

CucaFace wrote: »

No they are just better workers and more realiable then Irish.

Sad fact.

Used to work on building sites with them. They are here to make money for themselves and their families and would take every minute of overtime going, while we couldn't finish up quick enough each day (myself included here).

I guess it comes from coming countires where they have very little oppertunites.

Our parents generation were the same.

Our generation i guess just grew up in an easier time and so are not the same.

So it is discrimination. Just because you think others work harder doesn't mean it's true

Fizzlesque

CucaFace wrote: »

No they are just better workers and more realiable then Irish.

Sad fact.

Used to work on building sites with them. They are here to make money for themselves and their families and would take every minute of overtime going, while we couldn't finish up quick enough each day (myself included here).

I guess it comes from coming countires where they have very little oppertunites.

Our parents generation were the same.

Our generation i guess just grew up in an easier time and so are not the same.

I lived in Holland (during the 90s) and the Irish worked extremely hard in factory jobs the Dutch didn't want to do. Also taking every minute of overtime going. When the purpose of going to a country is to make money, then the Irish can be just as hard working as any other nationality.

I worked as a chamber maid in Holland (that's hard work, for sure) but I'd hate to have to take a job as a chamber maid today.

I've also worked with Irish picking fruit in Australia, and that was no picnic (though I did eat a lot of mangoes ) but we (Irish) worked just as hard as other nationalities work over here.

It had nothing to do with having come from a country with no opportunities and everything to do with that being the only kind of work we could get and the desire to make money so we could travel for longer.

Maybe, as you say, there's a generational element to this 'lazy Irish' idea, but I don't accept that the Irish are, as a nation, pure lazy.

JohnMarston

CucaFace wrote: »

No they are just better workers and more realiable then Irish.

Sad fact.

Used to work on building sites with them. They are here to make money for themselves and their families and would take every minute of overtime going, while we couldn't finish up quick enough each day (myself included here).

I agree that many foreign workers are hard workers. I've worked alongside many of them in the numerous odd jobs i've had and they were less likely to call in sick, didnt stand around and chit-chat much, and often worked for less money.
One job i had for several years part-time was with a self-employed painter and decorator. Sound lad, local man and he'd been doing it for years. His work ethic was something to behold and i learned a lot from him. He worked through lunches to meet tight deadlines and never left as much as a stray drop of paint on the floor when finished.
When foreign workers started to appear and undercut his prices, his regular customers gradually left him. However he was called back to many of them to clean up previous jobs left by these guys. Drops of paint on the floor, patches on the wall, etc. Just saying, some of them, like the irish, can be complete cowboys at their jobs but get hired because of money.

war_child

ilovesleep wrote: »

Their availability?

Are you standing outside every chipper in Ireland watching them put up staff wanted signs on their windows and counting how many days/weeks such a sign stays up?

Are you counting how many people are walking in with CVs?

- The availability of some jobs in some chippers is a sign that irish people won't take them

Such claptrap

My mam tried for work years back in the local supermacs but she wasn't accepted.
A girl I knew back in 2006, coming out from college tried for work in supermarkets, cafes, restaurants, shops, hotels, chippers. She could not get work. She ended up going back to college.
I had a similiar back in 06 but eventually got work in my field. But I wasn't accepted in tescos, dunnes, other shops, cafes, restaurants, other establishments.

We have a much bigger problem in this country which you will never ever be able to see.

Since the Nice Treaty, Ireland welcomed every tom, dick and harry and their mothers from eastern europe to our shores where many of those worked very hard flipping burgers. I'm sure in many chippers the management would prefer an eastern european than an irish.

Irish people are being discriminated against in our own country.

Whilst i agree completly and wholeheartedly with this comment, you must thread carefully as this could be classed as racist. I have made comments like this in the past and have been either warned or infracted as to the nature of the post.

But i salute you for being one of the few who actually sees this tom dick and harry invitation as being detremental to the well being of the Irish community on the whole. Altho we will get the bleeding heart john lennon crowd sayingwhy cant we all be friends, and lets give the world one big hug , the basics of it there are Irish people being passed over by employers for a cheaper alternative and until we sort out that problem we should close the book.

ilovesleep

war_child wrote: »

Whilst i agree completly and wholeheartedly with this comment, you must thread carefully as this could be classed as racist. I have made comments like this in the past and have been either warned or infracted as to the nature of the post.

But i salute you for being one of the few who actually sees this tom dick and harry invitation as being detremental to the well being of the Irish community on the whole. Altho we will get the bleeding heart john lennon crowd sayingwhy cant we all be friends, and lets give the world one big hug , the basics of it there are Irish people being passed over by employers for a cheaper alternative and until we sort out that problem we should close the book.

I don't think there was anything racist about it. Ireland opened its doors to immirgration too quick. As far as I can remember when the nice treaty was passed there was a cap on the number allowed to come but that cap was broken and much, much more people came. This and at the same time the people that came and I'm sure many with good qualifications like teaching, dentistry, law, etc were forced into the low skilled/no skills areas because the higher professions were closed off to them. If higher professions were open to them there wouldn't have been much of an influx into the lower skills area. But if say for example teaching and the gardai were riddled overnight with immirgrants taking their jobs there would have been uproar from the unions. The doors should have been open to all professions or nothing. Instead many people from Eastern European and I'm sure highly skilled at home where they came from, came here and were forced into low skilled/no skills jobs here. Cutting us off at our feet. There's now a sickening perception that many irish were too good for these jobs when thats pure bullsh1t.

Kinski

CucaFace wrote: »

I see a lot of people talking about not getting interviews/jobs ect because of being over qualified.

Well then why don't you just create a different CV for these types of jobs?

You know that your degree's unfortunately won't be any use to you in say a chipper or supermarket, then why don't you go and create a new CV leaving out such details?

The end will justify the means.

For someone to do that, they'd have to leave gaps on their CV: "Where were you during the past four years?" "Why, I was pursuing a PhD...*erm* I mean I was at home, doing nothing." "Ok, you're so not hired."

By the by, I have known people who've done this (remarkably, you're not the first person to think of it), but you're not really supposed to make stuff up.

3ndahalfof6

Kinski wrote: »

For someone to do that, they'd have to leave gaps on their CV: "Where were you during the past four years?" "Why, I was pursuing a PhD...*erm* I mean I was at home, doing nothing." "Ok, you're so not hired."

By the by, I have known people who've done this (remarkably, you're not the first person to think of it), but you're not really supposed to make stuff up.

I was abroad normally does the trick, you can fill empty spaces with loads of bullshiit if you were abroad.

Kinski

3ndahalfof6 wrote: »

I was abroad normally does the trick, you can fill empty spaces with loads of bullshiit if you were abroad.

Yeah, that's what a friend of mine did. Don't blame anyone for doing it myself, but it's not fair to tell people that they should lie on their CV.