'Cut the dole' they say: What the IMF wants, the IMF gets

lesserspottedchloe

sock puppet wrote: »

Why should said kids pay when they're older because you decide you want to live?

I see your point but not everybody is entitled to the state pension like they are to children's allowance payments. It should be means tested or given directly as books, uniform and vouchers so that kids who need it actually benefit from it.

Dartz

A_Sober_Paddy wrote: »

Quiet a lot of those jobs are very much high end jobs...I've a college degree and 4 and a half years retail experience and just from the front page I'd not be suitable for any of those jobs. Either because I don't have a second language or have the crazy amount of experience employers are now looking for.

It's the experience that's the killer.

Every **** and their mother is able to ask for experienced workers and get them. Which ****s most people who drop straight out of college with none. I didn't even get the time of day.

I ate my savings for a year, signed on to get access to a jobbridge because it would help with the lack of experience/references, and just started in the last week or so with a small company.

And it's good experience. Because it's such a small company I have to do a little bit of everything.

KINGVictor

laylah wrote: »

I have to say I agree with this. 'Children's Allowance' should be reserved for those that actually need it. Why on earth should I have to pay tax out of my earnings because Maura down the road decided she wanted to have kids?

While I agree that the system is open to abuse and indeed some people do take advantage of the child benefit scheme, your post is somewhat simplistic.

For every "Maura down the road" there are numerous other families that actually need child benefit to make basic provisions for their children. Like some posters have rightly said, the financial costs of bringing up children is enormous and even tougher in the current climate. The cost of living has not reduced in line with the cuts made by the government especially with housing, food, heating and other basic essentials, rather some have increased over the years.

You cannot make an argument against 'Maura' when some of your tax goes to the upkeep of Brain Cowen's children. While you might make some moral arguement against Maura's lifestyle choices, the fact is that Brian Cowen does not need a cent from the state to cater for his family.

Richard Hillman

I agree with the IMF. The general Jobseekers allowance/benefit is at an alright level, it could be knocked down a couple of Euro. Lone parents is the one that needs to be hit, such scrapping the extra money for each child you have. Anybody can mess up once, twice is stupid but 3/4/5/6 children on is taking the piss. No extra lone parents payment for anything over 2 children and the stray fathers (who must be declared or the mother gets no payments) will have their maintenance deducted from their pay or social welfare. Rent allowance is too generous as well.

I would also change the social welfare card into a prepaid credit card. No booze, no fags, no gambling.


PS i am currently on the dole

TheTurk1972

I've a mate who was on the dole for 2 years. Before he knew what he was doing he had moved in with his girlfriend who was working and got his dole cut off. He got a job in two weeksand hasn't looked back. Sometimes tough love is required.

Richard Hillman

Richard Hillman wrote: »

I would also change the social welfare card into a prepaid credit card. No booze, no fags, no gambling.

Doing so would only lead to people finding other ways to obtain cigarettes, alcohol and such. All it would take is coming to an agreement with a friend or neighbor that you would get their shopping on your card which they then paid you for.

I really don't see the issue with people spending some of their money on luxuries such as a few pints. Most people who are unemployed want to work, to say other wise is just wrong. A small percentage of the unemployed, the long term unemployed are the only sector of society who do not want to work and no matter what the government they never will.

TheTurk1972

TheTurk1972 wrote: »

I've a mate who was on the dole for 2 years. Before he knew what he was doing he had moved in with his girlfriend who was working and got his dole cut off. He got a job in two weeksand hasn't looked back. Sometimes tough love is required.

You do realise that there are 309,000 people unemployed in the country. It's not simply a case of, cut off someones dole and they will find a job. I've been watching my girlfriend look for summer work while she's on her college break and it's hard. she has handed in a few hundred CVs and has only got a handful of calls. One place she applied to told her that they had received over 600 applications for just one position they needed to fill.

Jame Gumb

This IMF bailout / Fiscal Treaty stuff is great...they're forcing us to make the right decisions...the ones that the gombeen politicians are afraid to make.

woodoo

Deleted User wrote: »

Doing so would only lead to people finding other ways to obtain cigarettes, alcohol and such. All it would take is coming to an agreement with a friend or neighbor that you would get their shopping on your card which they then paid you for.

But they would do it less often. And they would be less likely to pop into the pub on a Monday after noon for a pint or head off to the bookies.

Welfare has to be cut it is costing the state 21 billion a year.

KINGVictor

Jame Gumb wrote: »

This IMF bailout / Fiscal Treaty stuff is great...they're forcing us to make the right decisions...the ones that the gombeen politicians are afraid to make.

Right decisions hey? Like reviewing the croke park agreement, cutting TDs salaries and allowances, bringing the folks that shafted the country to justice, etc.

What the IMF is doing is what they always do- making sure that they create an environment so that they get every pennny they lend to countries- with interest!! Without giving a damn about the social implications- please dont be so naive.

Like the saying goes, the IMF has never lost money lending to any country.

TheTurk1972

Deleted User wrote: »

You do realise that there are 309,000 people unemployed in the country.

The bottom 10% as they are fast becoming known.

5% were always at the bottom.

Lifting themselves out of that bottom few percent into the massive percentage of employable people shouldnt be hard. THere is a skill in making yourself employable. Some just don't have it.

dodderangler

S makes me sick readin **** like this
I've worked since I was 14 always had money in 23 now and I'm on the dole after been made redundant and I'm only gettin 127 euro a week and one of my mates hasn't worked since he was 17 and is 25 now and gets the full whack and complains he not gettin enough if anything people that are not looking for work and Havint in years should be cut down to encourage them to find a job I paid my taxes over the years and I worked up my credits
Rant over
I'm bolloxed now

woodoo

woodoo wrote: »

But they would do it less often. And they would be less likely to pop into the pub on a Monday after noon for a pint or head off to the bookies.

Welfare has to be cut it is costing the state 21 billion a year.

Why can't someone who budgets well head out for a few pints or pick up a few cans every now and again. I know that when i wasn't working I would plan ahead and at the weekends would love to sit down to a film and a few cans. People will tell me that I shouldn't have been able to do such as the dole is there simply for essentials but you know what sometimes letting off a little steam is essential. Why should everyone be denied that right simply because a small minority abuse the system.

TheTurk1972 wrote: »

The bottom 10% as they are fast becoming known.

5% were always at the bottom.

Lifting themselves out of that bottom few percent into the massive percentage of employable people shouldnt be hard. THere is a skill in making yourself employable. Some just don't have it.

There are the 4% who can best be called unemployable as you wouldn't be able to trust them to do the most basic of tasks. For the rest it's not a case of sitting around all day doing nothing. Most unemployed people are up-skilling and working to improve themselves.

Fupping Grasshole

Not a bother boys sure didn't 50% bend over when they said they wanted a property tax, why stop there....keep going the boys, bleed the Irish dry and if anyone complains take some lame moral higher ground to shame them

TheTurk1972

Deleted User wrote: »

Most unemployed people are up-skilling and working to improve themselves.

Looks to me like they are only up-skilling at making excuses for not getting a job. Read back through this thread. Full of excuses.

Helix

when i was in ireland i always found that it was the same people who found themselves out of work regularly, and the same people who had no problem finding employment should something happen with their previous job. based on the way things are over there now, im sure that's not exactly the cause of the 300k odd out of work, but the truth is that there's usually something to be found somewhere assuming that 1) you're employable, 2) you're willing to actually work, 3) you're not picky and 4) you're not one of these who are "too proud" for jobs they see as being "below them"

TheTurk1972

TheTurk1972 wrote: »

Looks to me like they are only up-skilling at making excuses for not getting a job. Read back through this thread. Full of excuses.

No one needs to make excuses for people not getting jobs. The jobs simply are not there. You can argue all you want but there are very few jobs out there and most of those jobs are aimed at people with specialist skills. The fact that many shops and fast food restaurants advertising vacancies are getting hundreds and sometimes thousands of applicants says it all.

starviewadams

2007, unemployment rate 4.5% dole at €185.80

2012, unemployment rate 14.9%, dole at €188.00

IMF's considered opinion? the unemployment crisis is due to 300,000+ suddenly becoming lazy and quitting their jobs for that delicious €2.20 extra per week and NOT because of a prolonged economic depression.

The IMF have no credability IMO,they're nothing more then a bunch of right wing cowboys who dream up ridiculous reports to justify their policy of making the poor even poorer.Once the country finally breaks down they will be in quick enough to strip any profitable state assets.

And people on here are actually commending them for pursuing this course of action.Sickening stuff.

Logical Fallacy

The IMF and the government are all ****ing retarded. Our cost of living compared to other countries is monstrous, hence the high basic dole.

They should leave the basic welfare alone and deal with this stacking bull****, where you have payment on top of payment on top of payment. There should be a maximum amount you can get per annum, after that **** you.

Jesus Nut

One of my close freinds has never worked!

She is in her mid 20's and her excuse is that both her parents spent their whole life on the social welfare system and she is just following family tradition.

It's a well known fact you can live an almost comfortable life on the dole system in Ireland!

As many of the Dolers put it, "Sure, this is a GREAT country to live in".

The state is the new mammy and daddy!

the groutch

hopefully they'll get around to also means testing the non-con pensions

woodoo

Jesus Nut wrote: »

One of my close freinds has never worked!

She is in her mid 20's and her excuse is that both her parents spent their whole life on the social welfare system and she is just following family tradition.

It's a well known fact you can live an almost comfortable life on the dole system in Ireland!

As many of the Dolers put it, "Sure, this is a GREAT country to live in".

The state is the new mammy and daddy!

Thats true, its the people who make a lifestyle of it that can engineer it to work well for them. If they get a few hours of cash in hand work they are laughing. Council house, boyfriend says he still lives with his parents etc, claims dole and works for cash. She claims OPFP. People like that can live very comfortably.

I do feel sorry for the ordinary person who lost their job and is stuck with a mortgage and dole money. Those people should be looked after.

I have nothing but contempt for the lifestyle welfare types though.

DELTATIP

For the love of god can the government means test everything
they give out like

just ideas -so keep your hair on

salaries over 90 k = no child allowance
pensioners earning over 32 k no free bus pass
no dole payment for more than 4 children etc etc etc
pensioner over 70 earning 40 k year -no free card
2.5 year limit on dole entitlement
one parent allowance -severe penalities for abuse

lesserspottedchloe

KINGVictor wrote: »

While I agree that the system is open to abuse and indeed some people do take advantage of the child benefit scheme, your post is somewhat simplistic.

For every "Maura down the road" there are numerous other families that actually need child benefit to make basic provisions for their children. Like some posters have rightly said, the financial costs of bringing up children is enormous and even tougher in the current climate. The cost of living has not reduced in line with the cuts made by the government especially with housing, food, heating and other basic essentials, rather some have increased over the years.

You cannot make an argument against 'Maura' when some of your tax goes to the upkeep of Brain Cowen's children. While you might make some moral arguement against Maura's lifestyle choices, the fact is that Brian Cowen does not need a cent from the state to cater for his family.

I know but my problem is with people who don't plan properly/can't really afford to have more kids yet continue to do so and subsequently require assistance from taxpayers to help meet the basic needs of those children? I'm not talking about people who have a change in circumstances.I've already stated I don't have a problem with those who need it getting it-there is absolutely no reason why it shouldn't be means tested.

starviewadams

IMF say dole is too high,but silent on fact that IFSC's 6000 +companies pay only €466Million tax on over €2Trillion assets *ahem* 'managed'

EchoO

TheTurk1972 wrote: »

Looks to me like they are only up-skilling at making excuses for not getting a job. Read back through this thread. Full of excuses.

How about the excuse that the current ratio of job vacancies in the economy to number of people unemployed is 1:26? Reducing benefits will not change this fact, the only thing that will is economic growth. Enough economic growth to reduce our unemployment rate will not happen while we are in the IMF's bailout program. It's just easier for the IMF to blame the unemployed for being unemployed.

blatantrereg

Social welfare is much lower in the UK. There was a lot of arson and looting there this time last year. Two things might be related.

K-9

We pay out over €20 Billion in Welfare and €16/17 Billion in Public Service pay and pensions, we don't even raise enough taxes to cover paying people wages and a basic living allowance.

We somehow have to raise money to keep open hospitals, Garda Barracks, schools, prisons, that type of stuff, pay for oil for them, pay the ESB, gas, that type of everyday stuff. What do people not get?

I'm on a Welfare payment and will take a cut no problem. I could point to some other poor sod and say cut him, but I'm not like that.

Jame Gumb

Stop paying social welfare in "cash".

Provide people with a "money card" which they can only spend in certain shops and on certain items.

K-9

Fupping Grasshole wrote: »

So if there's 445,000 unemployed in Ireland and they say the Social Welfare Bill is €20,000,000,000 then and bear with me here...

€20,000,000,000/445,000 = €45,000 :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

Explain, thanks.

It includes Public Sector pay for the sector, running costs etc. A minority of Welfare recipients get Rent Allowance for example, it isn't as simple as dividing the total bill by a number. If only!

woodoo

They should be taking the hatchet to public service allowances and travel/subsistence too.

starviewadams

Jame Gumb wrote: »

Stop paying social welfare in "cash".

Provide people with a "money card" which they can only spend in certain shops and on certain items.

Only creates a black economy and ends up costing the state more.

kerash

Jame Gumb wrote: »

Stop paying social welfare in "cash".

Provide people with a "money card" which they can only spend in certain shops and on certain items.

What certain items?

K-9

As for the use the library instead of the internet smart arses, libraries are being closed or opening hours lessened. Think before you post!

Suppose people could lounge around restaurants to avail of Wi-fi, drinking coffee all day!

Jame Gumb

K-9 wrote: »

Fupping Grasshole wrote: »

So if there's 445,000 unemployed in Ireland and they say the Social Welfare Bill is €20,000,000,000 then and bear with me here...

€20,000,000,000/445,000 = €45,000 :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

Explain, thanks.

It includes Public Sector pay for the sector, running costs etc. A minority of Welfare recipients get Rent Allowance for example, it isn't as simple as dividing the total bill by a number. If only!

And child benefit which is around €2.5b a year...

And the old age pension which most OAPs get in one form or another.

the groutch

DELTATIP wrote: »

For the love of god can the government means test everything
they give out like

just ideas -so keep your hair on

salaries over 90 k = no child allowance
pensioners earning over 32 k no free bus pass
no dole payment for more than 4 children etc etc etc
pensioner over 70 earning 40 k year -no free card
2.5 year limit on dole entitlement
one parent allowance -severe penalities for abuse

agreed, we need to stop giving payments & benefits to those who don't NEED them.

Fupping Grasshole

K-9 wrote: »

It includes Public Sector pay for the sector, running costs etc. A minority of Welfare recipients get Rent Allowance for example, it isn't as simple as dividing the total bill by a number. If only!

Thanks but then that's complete horse manure then when yer one Burton does be saying that her department has to get the 20billion down...she never mentions anything about Public Sector pay just the doley woleys.

Jame Gumb

kerash wrote: »

Jame Gumb wrote: »

Stop paying social welfare in "cash".

Provide people with a "money card" which they can only spend in certain shops and on certain items.

What certain items?

Groceries, basic clothing...things like that.

But specifically not luxury items and definitely not alcohol, cigarettes or alcohol.

Yes there are poor souls who have been gang raped by the recession. But there are also a lot of wasters who would happily stay on social welfare 'cause they can have a great life on it. By managing and restricting what they do to a subsistence level, maybe we can call their bluff?

Smidge

Chinasea wrote: »

I agree with them. They are factoring in the many other entitlements that people can claim also in addition to the dole.

AND What about the ESRI report which uncovered the simple fact of the matter that for many working people, additional costs of working are highly significant at nearly €7,000 per year without children; increasing to nearly €9,000 per year with one child under the age of five. It says work-related expenses are so high that many families would be better off on welfare, particularly those with children.


Not to mention:

Rent allowance

1. Fuel allowance
2. Back to school allowance
3. School meal allowance
4. Special needs payment
5. Communion allowance his & 'ers
6. Medical card
   
7. Child Benefit,
8. Disablement Benefit,
9. Domiciliary Care Allowance,
10. Foster Care Allowance,
11. Occupational Injuries Death Benefit in respect of an Orphan,
12. Guardian's Payment

I'd say they are totally gobsmacked when they saw this.

I hope you don't mind but I would like to address this statement.

I have a very close friend who now finds themselves unemployed.

Two adults and three children.
Receive 402.20 euro a week,jobseekers.
No fuel allowance.

Thats 1608.08 per month.
Fortune isnt it?

Their mortgage is 850 odd cent per month to which they get 12.80 mortgage relief.
So that leaves them with 771.60 per month.

Now try to feed a family of 5 on 100 euros a week in this country?
Balance: 371.60

ESB + Oil 50 euro each a week=100
Balance: 271.69

Car(3 different kids, 3 different schools, rural)= tax, NCT, Insurance, petrol,maintenance = 100 each week
Balance: 171.69

Now add telephone, internet(not a luxury for secondary school kids for schoolwork), bins, water, tv license(not free for jobseekers), = 80 euro
Balance:91.69

Now add house insurance and life insurance(obliged to have with mortgage)=65 euro per month
Balance:26.69

Now take away television cost: 27 euro a week(their only luxury, I may add) Balance: - 31 cent

Now, there are other expenses I could add here but what would be the point?
This is not made up btw(what would be the addition to the discussion If it were?)


As for communion/confirmation allowance?
They had Confirmation this year and got 37 euro toward it(have no idea where people are getting these whopping amounts, have they ever been to SEE a CWO?)

Have never heard of anyone getting school meal allowance(it may exist but that doesn't mean that the CWO pays it out, HUGE difference there btw).
Same goes for special needs payments, try access that my friend!

They did get back to school allowance.
The child who made their confirmation is starting secondary school in September.
250 euro.
It has so far cost them 630 euro(this is a VEC school btw, not private)
That's another 380 euro to find from nowhere.

This post has been long enough but I would like to quickly address the some of the other payments you mentioned.

Domiciliary, Orphans, Foster Care????
Really?
You really honestly, genuinely think that disabled kids whose parents have, lets be honest, been dealt a crumby hand should take the hit?

Orphans?
Dear God!!!
I bet they would hand the money back in a heartbeat for their folks to be around.

Foster kids?
Yeah, lets hit those welching b*stard kids who have been left abandoned by nothing that was their fault and have come from the most horrible circumstances?(would you take on someone else broken family and disturbed children into your home, with the chance it could wreck you own family?).
IMHO foster carers should get a FORTUNE to compensate them.

Sorry for the long post but had to get it off my chest:)

Smidge

Jame Gumb wrote: »

Stop paying social welfare in "cash".

Provide people with a "money card" which they can only spend in certain shops and on certain items.

And who may I ask, do you think would get the contract for these so called social welfare shops?

I could give a guess that it would be a case of "jobs for the boys".

They know the SW recipient can't go anywhere else, so they could rack up the cost of the goods.

Yeah, that would really work;)

kerash

Jame Gumb wrote: »

Groceries, basic clothing...things like that.

But specifically not luxury items and definitely not alcohol, cigarettes or alcohol.

Yes there are poor souls who have been gang raped by the recession. But there are also a lot of wasters who would happily stay on social welfare 'cause they can have a great life on it. By managing and restricting what they do to a subsistence level, maybe we can call their bluff?

Gov won't like missing out on re-couping on the taxes. I don't like the wasters either but they still spend their money which essentially goes back into the shops, off licences, services, etc one way or another.

K-9

Jame Gumb wrote: »

And child benefit which is around €2.5b a year...

And the old age pension which most OAPs get in one form or another.

Indeed, IIRC Unemployment payments account for €5/6 Billion, in or around that region.

Fupping Grasshole wrote: »

Thanks but then that's complete horse manure then when yer one Burton does be saying that her department has to get the 20billion down...she never mentions anything about Public Sector pay just the doley woleys.

Well you could read posts in this thread that show that is an incorrect way of looking at things, learn from it and move on, or just throw terms like doley woleys around. The first type are worth discussing stuff with, the second..........

stateofflux

Jame Gumb wrote: »

Groceries, basic clothing...things like that.

But specifically not luxury items and definitely not alcohol, cigarettes or alcohol.

Yes there are poor souls who have been gang raped by the recession. But there are also a lot of wasters who would happily stay on social welfare 'cause they can have a great life on it. By managing and restricting what they do to a subsistence level, maybe we can call their bluff?

this will never ever happen in this country, waste of time even suggesting it...its not 1942

PickledLime

TheTurk1972 wrote: »

The bottom 10% as they are fast becoming known.

5% were always at the bottom.

Lifting themselves out of that bottom few percent into the massive percentage of employable people shouldnt be hard. THere is a skill in making yourself employable. Some just don't have it.

Oh look, it's someone in a thread about social welfare on a high horse, quelle surprise.

Can you tell me from atop your high horse is my girlfriend employable? She finished her Honours B.Sc. 2 months ago, got herself a 1:1 and top of her class to boot. Her supervisor thought her thesis was so good they put together a proposal for a Master's Degree and it was accepted. Worked a job at all hours through the year to keep herself afloat too. From January onwards, she spent a few hours after doing her weekly shop on Friday jobhunting. Carpeted the place with CVs, or if it was really bad weather, she'd sit online trawling and applying for positions. When she finished her final exam in mid May, she walked straight to FAS and registered.

Two months on and she's unemployed and ripping her hair out in frustration. Tell me, what else is she supposed to do? Because as far as i can tell, she literally did everything she possibly could and just needs a bit of luck, because, you know, there aren't enough jobs to go around, which is something you seemed to have missed :mad:

dasa29

Originally Posted by Fupping Grasshole
Thanks but then that's complete horse manure then when yer one Burton does be saying that her department has to get the 20billion down...she never mentions anything about Public Sector pay just the doley woleys.

I Totaly agree with you on this, but she also does not mentions that the dole as a whole is 3.9b of the 20b welfare.

in 2010 welfare was 20.8b
JA/JB(dole) was 4.1b it was 196 and cut to 188 that year
Penisons(non con, con, trans, pre retirement,) was 4.6b and not touched at all.
widows, widowers others. was2.5b
total child related payments wad 2.6b
Total Illness, Disability and Caring was 3.5b
Total Employment Supports was 500m
Total Supplemetary Welfare Allowance was 950m
Total Miscellaneous Payments and Grants was 1.3b (includes rent supp, household benfits, mis, Redundancy and Insolvency.)
Total Adminstration was 575m
All info taken from welfare.ie

K-9

mishkalucy wrote: »

I hope you don't mind but I would like to address this statement.

I have a very close friend who now finds themselves unemployed.

Two adults and three children.
Receive 402.20 euro a week,jobseekers.
No fuel allowance.

Thats 1608.08 per month.
Fortune isnt it?

Their mortgage is 850 odd cent per month to which they get 12.80 mortgage relief.
So that leaves them with 771.60 per month.

Now try to feed a family of 5 on 100 euros a week in this country?
Balance: 371.60

ESB + Oil 50 euro each a week=100
Balance: 271.69

Car(3 different kids, 3 different schools, rural)= tax, NCT, Insurance, petrol,maintenance = 100 each week
Balance: 171.69

Now add telephone, internet(not a luxury for secondary school kids for schoolwork), bins, water, tv license(not free for jobseekers), = 80 euro
Balance:91.69

Now add house insurance and life insurance(obliged to have with mortgage)=65 euro per month
Balance:26.69

Now take away television cost: 27 euro a week(their only luxury, I may add) Balance: - 31 cent

Now, there are other expenses I could add here but what would be the point?
This is not made up btw(what would be the addition to the discussion If it were?)


As for communion/confirmation allowance?
They had Confirmation this year and got 37 euro toward it(have no idea where people are getting these whopping amounts, have they ever been to SEE a CWO?)

Have never heard of anyone getting school meal allowance(it may exist but that doesn't mean that the CWO pays it out, HUGE difference there btw).
Same goes for special needs payments, try access that my friend!

They did get back to school allowance.
The child who made their confirmation is starting secondary school in September.
250 euro.
It has so far cost them 630 euro(this is a VEC school btw, not private)
That's another 380 euro to find from nowhere.

This post has been long enough but I would like to quickly address the some of the other payments you mentioned.

Excellent post. Waits for a bloody car, TV, "the cheek of it" type posts, A wife, A school, who do you think you are?

Domiciliary, Orphans, Foster Care????
Really?
You really honestly, genuinely think that disabled kids whose parents have, lets be honest, been dealt a crumby hand should take the hit?

Orphans?
Dear God!!!
I bet they would hand the money back in a heartbeat for their folks to be around.

Foster kids?
Yeah, lets hit those welching b*stard kids who have been left abandoned by nothing that was their fault and have come from the most horrible circumstances?(would you take on someone else broken family and disturbed children into your home, with the chance it could wreck you own family?).
IMHO foster carers should get a FORTUNE to compensate them.

Sorry for the long post but had to get it off my chest:)

One area I'd disagree on. I think everybody on welfare should take say a €10 hit rather than specifically target carers, home help, services like that.

Kurz

I had a lecturer once that made a big deal about saying something in as little words as possible. All these posts seem to drift into multiquote flame wars where no-one reads it because it's too messy.

Anyways yeah, bring in the vouchers, I could make a bomb off them on Ebay.

enda1

Casillas wrote: »

Eh, encourage people to work where?

Also if the level of payments is too high, why the record emigration?

People emigrate cause the have dignity and self respect and want to work rather than have money handed to them for nothing. That's why there is record emigration and that is where the jobs are - abroad.

Cheeky_gal

tajd wrote: »

i live on 101 euro a week its very hard you know i eat only once a day if im cut anymore i dunno what i will do

Awwww

Smidge

@K-9

TBH I don't think anyone on those payments would go crazy about a 10euro cut, but it's never JUST a 10euro cut is it??

They just keep cutting and cutting at the same people all the time.
When is enough, enough?