The Dark Knight Rises - seen thread *SPOILERS WITHIN* See Mod Warning in first post

Oafley Jones

Grimebox wrote: »

Well said. I really wish they let Batman die rather than the happy ending. The moment I thought he was dead was the only "wow" moment I had in the entire film. Fantastic ending none the less. Gutted they backtracked from that

The ending was one of the few things I didn't hate about this. I've never understood the lust for Wayne to be killed off by some people - the notion that a heros death is the only satisfying conclusion to an arc is one of the worst impulses you see in comic fandom.

Grimebox

Oafley Jones wrote: »

The ending was one of the few things I didn't hate about this. I've never understood the lust for Wayne to be killed off by some people - the notion that a heros death is the only satisfying conclusion to an arc is one of the worst impulses you see in comic fandom.

I have no lust for him to die nor have I ever read a batman comic in my life. I just thought it was completely unexpected for him to die and really it blew me away. I thought he was going to be a predictable ending tying everything together nicely but for a split second it seemed Nolan was going down a completely different route. I was little disappointed, thats all.

MrStuffins

Grimebox wrote: »

I have no lust for him to die nor have I ever read a batman comic in my life. I just thought it was completely unexpected for him to die and really it blew me away. I thought he was going to be a predictable ending tying everything together nicely but for a split second it seemed Nolan was going to a completely different route. I was little disappointed, thats all.

I agree that I would've enjoyed the ending more had he actually died.

Or if Alfred had looked across and just nodded, leaving you to fill in the blank yourself. Maybe he's dead, maybe he's not...........

I'm guessing though that they wouldn't allow Nolan to kill Bruce Wayne!

IncognitoMan

MrStuffins wrote: »

I agree that I would've enjoyed the ending more had he actually died.

Or if Alfred had looked across and just nodded, leaving you to fill in the blank yourself. Maybe he's dead, maybe he's not...........

I'm guessing though that they wouldn't allow Nolan to kill Bruce Wayne!

Thank god it wasn't left like this. I don't think I could have stood to hear all the arguing about it, heck even though the film has a fairly clear cut ending people are still arguing that it was a dream.

MrStuffins

IncognitoMan wrote: »

Thank god it wasn't left like this. I don't think I could have stood to hear all the arguing about it, heck even though the film has a fairly clear cut ending people are still arguing that it was a dream.

Yeah but you shouldn't take those people seriously!

Jame Gumb

Isn't it right that Bruce Wayne ends up happy rather than brown bread?

Clearly not a dream on the basis that Alfred knew nothing of Selina Kyle.

Mickeroo

IncognitoMan wrote: »

Thank god it wasn't left like this. I don't think I could have stood to hear all the arguing about it, heck even though the film has a fairly clear cut ending people are still arguing that it was a dream.

The nod would have been pretty clearcut too imo. He wouldn't nod if Bruce wasn't there. you're right though the groundless speculation would have been ten times worse, no reason to think anything was a dream at the end.

B.A._Baracus

Would of been a nice little scene if Alfred just nodded and smiled without seeing bruce.

Sure anyone with the smallest of brains could of figured out bruce was alive. From what alfred said earlier in the movie. Not to mention it showed him looking around and looking sad in the flashback.

Phoenix Park

OMARS_COMING_ wrote: »

Is it possible that Bale will continue to be batman,but the location will change from Gotham to Paris? Wouldn't that be fantastic?

Can't wait. Batman with a copy of the Lonely Planet - France edition tucked under his arm queuing up for a ten second glance at the Mona Lisa. Sounds great.

Turtyturd

Oafley Jones wrote: »

Grimebox wrote: »

Well said. I really wish they let Batman die rather than the happy ending. The moment I thought he was dead was the only "wow" moment I had in the entire film. Fantastic ending none the less. Gutted they backtracked from that

The ending was one of the few things I didn't hate about this. I've never understood the lust for Wayne to be killed off by some people - the notion that a heros death is the only satisfying conclusion to an arc is one of the worst impulses you see in comic fandom.

You obviously don't read comics, because the notion that a heroes death is the easy way to increase sales is one of the worst impulses you see in comic fandom.

Mickeroo

Turtyturd wrote: »

You obviously don't read comics, because the notion that a heroes death is the easy way to increase sales is one of the worst impulses you see in comic fandom.

Not to mention finding a way to bring said hero back to life due to the increased sales braught about by their death

Turtyturd

Phoenix Park wrote: »

OMARS_COMING_ wrote: »

Is it possible that Bale will continue to be batman,but the location will change from Gotham to Paris? Wouldn't that be fantastic?

Can't wait. Batman with a copy of the Lonely Planet - France edition tucked under his arm queuing up for a ten second glance at the Mona Lisa. Sounds great.

He should actually go around the world finding new Batmen in every city like he did with Blake...I'd call the movie Batman Inc.

Handsome Bob

Grimebox wrote: »

Handsome Bob wrote: »

It's not backtracking if it was always the original intention to end on the note that they did.

Considering your avatar, I don't think we're going to agree on anything :P

Good one. While Nolan always maintained that he took one film at a time, he also said that him and Goyer mapped out how they wanted Bruce's journey to go from the start in 2003.

krudler

seen it twice now, enjoyed it more without the feeling of disappointment the 2nd time round, just took it as is. I still love the opening, the big chase after the wall st heist, the beatdown, I'd forgotten how vicious some of it was. I didnt like how after this big moment it just jumpcuts to a quiet shot of Blake though, the editing is fairly shoddy throughout it in places. and I (nitpicking alert!) want to know how Bruce knows the bomb is going to go off the next day after he arrives into Gotham, when he hadn't talked to Lucius yet at that point since he asks Selina to find him. We just got a big revelation that the bomb had 23 days left on it while Bruce was still in prison, timed that pretty close didnt he? I still hate that after the themes in the previous two movies and everything up to the Lazy Summer Movie Plot Device arrives that at the end of it all it boils down to a timebomb.

Liam O

krudler wrote: »

seen it twice now, enjoyed it more without the feeling of disappointment the 2nd time round, just took it as is. I still love the opening, the big chase after the wall st heist, the beatdown, I'd forgotten how vicious some of it was. I didnt like how after this big moment it just jumpcuts to a quiet shot of Blake though, the editing is fairly shoddy throughout it in places. and I (nitpicking alert!) want to know how Bruce knows the bomb is going to go off the next day after he arrives into Gotham, when he hadn't talked to Lucius yet at that point since he asks Selina to find him. We just got a big revelation that the bomb had 23 days left on it while Bruce was still in prison, timed that pretty close didnt he? I still hate that after the themes in the previous two movies and everything up to the Lazy Summer Movie Plot Device arrives that at the end of it all it boils down to a timebomb.

Because surely he knows the timeframe that the bomb will go off, he'd clearly done homework on the reactor which is why he never commissioned it for energy use.

Sad Professor

Bruce knowing that the bomb is going to go off tomorrow is only a plot hole if you also think Nolan not showing you how Bruce gets back to Gotham is a plot hole. Gordon and the rest of the resistance have been discussing the fact that the bomb is going to go off by a particular date for months. Once Bruce gets back it wouldn't be difficult for him to find out the basics of the situation. He has access to the Bat bunker and would have been listening in on their radio communication (Bane was probably doing the same). The whole reason he wants to see Fox is because he needs to know exactly how long is left before the bomb ignites and make plans to disarm it.

Backstreet Moyes

Sad Professor wrote: »

Bruce knowing that the bomb is going to go off tomorrow is only a plot hole if you also think Nolan not showing you how Bruce gets back to Gotham is a plot hole. Gordon and the rest of the resistance have been discussing the fact that the bomb is going to go off by a particular date for months. Once Bruce gets back it wouldn't be difficult for him to find out the basics of the situation. He has access to the Bat bunker and would have been listening in on their radio communication (Bane was probably doing the same). The whole reason he wants to see Fox is because he needs to know exactly how long is left before the bomb ignites and make plans to disarm it.

Maybe im completely wrong but i took it that the detective is going to be the new Batman by the way the film ended.

krudler

Sad Professor wrote: »

Bruce knowing that the bomb is going to go off tomorrow is only a plot hole if you also think Nolan not showing you how Bruce gets back to Gotham is a plot hole. Gordon and the rest of the resistance have been discussing the fact that the bomb is going to go off by a particular date for months. Once Bruce gets back it wouldn't be difficult for him to find out the basics of the situation. He has access to the Bat bunker and would have been listening in on their radio communication (Bane was probably doing the same). The whole reason he wants to see Fox is because he needs to know exactly how long is left before the bomb ignites and make plans to disarm it.

there's a lot of "well clearly this happened" with this movie, I dont expect to be spoonfed, I prefer not to be, but when not showing stuff leaves story holes it only hurts the movie.

I'd forgotten how brilliant the first half of the movie was, I genuinely cant fault it, its only in the messy third act I mostly have issues with. the fight between Bane and Batman is more vicious than I remember, love Bane's taunts thoughout it "you fight like a younger man!". "victory has defeated you!" I loved Hathaways performance much more the 2nd time, she stole a lot of the movie for me.

MrStuffins

krudler wrote: »

there's a lot of "well clearly this happened" with this movie, I dont expect to be spoonfed, I prefer not to be, but when not showing stuff leaves story holes it only hurts the movie.

I'd forgotten how brilliant the first half of the movie was, I genuinely cant fault it, its only in the messy third act I mostly have issues with. the fight between Bane and Batman is more vicious than I remember, love Bane's taunts thoughout it "you fight like a younger man!". "victory has defeated you!" I loved Hathaways performance much more the 2nd time, she stole a lot of the movie for me.

I really appreciated the fight scene MUCH more second time around.

Bane is in colntrol the entire time. Bale plays it suberbly IMO. You can feel his frustration building and building from your cinema seat.

When he lets out that shout in frustration you it's almost like you experience the frustration yourself.

The taunts were awesome but when the lights go out and Bane starts to explains "You only adopted the dark..... I was born in it", that's when it's at it's most sinister!

Amazing stuff!

Jame Gumb

No doubt he rang NetJets and took a private jet back to Gotham? Who cares - It's plausible that he made it back.

And Bruce knew as much about the bomb as anyone - I'm sure that he was aware of the score.

Grimebox

krudler wrote: »

there's a lot of "well clearly this happened" with this movie, I dont expect to be spoonfed, I prefer not to be, but when not showing stuff leaves story holes it only hurts the movie.

I'd forgotten how brilliant the first half of the movie was, I genuinely cant fault it, its only in the messy third act I mostly have issues with. the fight between Bane and Batman is more vicious than I remember, love Bane's taunts thoughout it "you fight like a younger man!". "victory has defeated you!" I loved Hathaways performance much more the 2nd time, she stole a lot of the movie for me.

I really want to see this again now because it seems we watched completely different film! I thought the first half was boring and the end saved it

Professey Chin

krudler wrote: »

I loved Hathaways performance much more the 2nd time, she stole a lot of the movie for me.

She had my attention straight away with the change in attitude when Bruce called the safe uncrackable.
Plus the switching from damsel in distress to normal in the bar was brilliant

Thwip!

Mickeroo wrote: »

Not to mention finding a way to bring said hero back to life due to the increased sales braught about by their death

Superman: Doomsday anybody? :P

Lemlin

A good film but a bit underwhelming tbh. Nothing could have lived up to the hype or The Dark Knight. Points I found weak:

1. They overdid Bruce being tired and older at the start. The walking stick was a bit much.

2. I could see the Marion Cotillard twist a mile off.

3. The minute Alfred told his story, I knew that was how the film would end.

4. A lot of Bane's lines were still inaudible, although I thought Hardy did a great job.

I won't be going to see it again. Will wait for the DVD.

Jame Gumb

Who's this Albert that people keep referring to? Does predictive text chane Alfred to Albert?

Turpentine

Sad Professor wrote: »

Bruce knowing that the bomb is going to go off tomorrow is only a plot hole if you also think Nolan not showing you how Bruce gets back to Gotham is a plot hole. Gordon and the rest of the resistance have been discussing the fact that the bomb is going to go off by a particular date for months. Once Bruce gets back it wouldn't be difficult for him to find out the basics of the situation. He has access to the Bat bunker and would have been listening in on their radio communication (Bane was probably doing the same). The whole reason he wants to see Fox is because he needs to know exactly how long is left before the bomb ignites and make plans to disarm it.

Didn't they destroy everything in the Bat bunker at the end of TDK? Don't tell me they rebuilt it, the chap was having a siesta for 8-years afterwards.

One thing that's niggling me (sorry if it's been discussed already) who did they bury in Bruce's grave? Or was it just full of shredded newspaper? How could they declare him dead before 7 years if there was no body? That was the timeframe in Batman Begins.

MrStuffins

Turpentine wrote: »

Didn't they destroy everything in the Bat bunker at the end of TDK? Don't tell me they rebuilt it, the chap was having a siesta for 8-years afterwards.

One thing that's niggling me (sorry if it's been discussed already) who did they bury in Bruce's grave? Or was it just full of shredded newspaper? How could they declare him dead before 7 years if there was no body? That was the timeframe in Batman Begins.

I don't think he was only declared dead AFTER 7 years or BECAUSE he had been away 7 years. It just happened that he'd been away 7 years and he'd been declared dead.

You can still be declared dead minue a body. Especially if you died while sitting on an Atomic Bomb!

Professey Chin

Turpentine wrote: »

Didn't they destroy everything in the Bat bunker at the end of TDK? Don't tell me they rebuilt it, the chap was having a siesta for 8-years afterwards.

Where did you get this part?

Turpentine

The Great Chinholio wrote: »

Where did you get this part?

At the end of the Dark Knight. Wayne says to Alfred "I'm going to tell them it was your idea" etc.

Professey Chin

Turpentine wrote: »

At the end of the Dark Knight. Wayne says to Alfred "I'm going to tell them it was your idea" etc.

That was almost in the middle of TDK. It was when he was going to say he was Batman before Dent took the fall

Turpentine

MrStuffins wrote: »

I don't think he was only declared dead AFTER 7 years or BECAUSE he had been away 7 years. It just happened that he'd been away 7 years and he'd been declared dead.

You can still be declared dead minue a body. Especially if you died while sitting on an Atomic Bomb!

Ah jaysis, that was on the QT.

I'm talking about Bruce Wayne. Yeah maybe he died in the riots. Or maybe he got a knock on the head and now eeks a living stripping seagull carcasses by the docks. They can't just declare you dead after a few months unless there's a body.

Turpentine

The Great Chinholio wrote: »

That was almost in the middle of TDK. It was when he was going to say he was Batman before Dent took the fall

Oh, you were just disagreeing that it was at the end, not that it had happened? Apologies chum, I wasn't catering for the truly pedantic there.

Professey Chin

Turpentine wrote: »

Ah jaysis, that was on the QT.

I'm talking about Bruce Wayne. Yeah maybe he died in the riots. Or maybe he got a knock on the head and now eeks a living stripping seagull carcasses by the docks. They can't just declare you dead after a few months unless there's a body.

With all the rich people on trial (and killed or "exiled") he could easily have been declared as one of those by Fox

Professey Chin

Turpentine wrote: »

Oh, you were just disagreeing that it was at the end, not that it had happened? Apologies chum, I wasn't catering for the truly pedantic there.

Well they just destroyed the paperwork and burnable stuff. The suit remained there and it was just closed off. He suited up and used equipment from it after that scene

Turpentine

The Great Chinholio wrote: »

With all the rich people on trial (and killed or "exiled") he could easily have been declared as one of those by Fox

Er, yeah, I suppose. Still don't buy it. Even if Fox says "I saw Wayne take an ill advised dip in the brine" surely it takes more than the word of one co-worker to be declared dead. How would they know Fox wasn't after the company or something?

Sad Professor

Turpentine wrote: »

Didn't they destroy everything in the Bat bunker at the end of TDK? Don't tell me they rebuilt it, the chap was having a siesta for 8-years afterwards.

They destroyed all the documents, but his suit and equipment was intact. Not only was it used again in TDK, but you see Bruce and Fox in the Bat Bunker in TDKR - that's where he gets the suit from before the scene with Gordon on the ice. And of course, he also has the Batcave in this film, which is not part of the island that was isolated by Bane. It's possible he went there first before meeting up with Selina.

Turpentine

The Great Chinholio wrote: »

Well they just destroyed the paperwork and burnable stuff. The suit remained there and it was just closed off. He suited up and used equipment from it after that scene

Well that was far-sighted of them.

Fair enough, i thought they'd gotten rid of everything.

Turpentine

Sad Professor wrote: »

They destroyed all the documents, but his suit and equipment was intact. Not only was it used again in TDK, but you see Bruce and Fox in the Bat Bunker in TDKR - that's where he gets the suit from before the scene with Gordon on the ice. And of course, he also has the Batcave in this film, which is not part of the island that was isolated by Bane. It's possible he went there first before meeting up with Selina.

Great maybe you'll know:

Who's the (un)lucky corpse in Bruce Wayne's grave?

Sad Professor

Maybe there was so many dead and missing people they decided to declare him dead anyway. Or Alfred made up some story about him going for a swim in the ocean that day. Who cares!

Oscorp

Turpentine wrote: »

Great maybe you'll know:

Who's the (un)lucky corpse in Bruce Wayne's grave?

Not sure if serious, but I highly doubt they expected to recover the corpse of the bloke they thought was blown up by a neutron bomb that detonated a few dozen feet beneath him.

Mickeroo

Turpentine wrote: »

Great maybe you'll know:

Who's the (un)lucky corpse in Bruce Wayne's grave?

THe city was sealed off for months. They could have just spun a story about him dying in one of the many many bombs that went off at the start of the occupation or some other story, it doesn't matter really. Just because there's a headstone doesn't mean there's necessarily anything buried there.

Mickeroo

Oscorp wrote: »

Not sure if serious, but I highly doubt they expected to recover the corpse of the bloke they thought was blown up by a neutron bomb that detonated a few dozen feet beneath him.

Well, I see where Turpentine is coming from in that regard, they didn't make it public that Bruce was Batman, that would have defeated the purpose of Blake taking over.

MrStuffins

Turpentine wrote: »

Great maybe you'll know:

Who's the (un)lucky corpse in Bruce Wayne's grave?

You're missing the most important questions.

Who dug the grave? Who made the headstone? Where did they buy the coffin? How did Alfred actually get from wherever it was he was all the way to Wayne Manor?

krudler

MrStuffins wrote: »

I really appreciated the fight scene MUCH more second time around.

Bane is in colntrol the entire time. Bale plays it suberbly IMO. You can feel his frustration building and building from your cinema seat.

When he lets out that shout in frustration you it's almost like you experience the frustration yourself.

The taunts were awesome but when the lights go out and Bane starts to explains "You only adopted the dark..... I was born in it", that's when it's at it's most sinister!

Amazing stuff!

its Bane's movements that make it, I loved the bit when he picks up Batman by the neck and marches him across the room,and how he stomps up the stairs as Bats is composing himself before he gets pissed off and starts lashing out. the lack of music make it so much more compelling. I do wish he'd beaten him some other way than just another fistfight though the 2nd fight is nowhere near as intense.

Turpentine

MrStuffins wrote: »

You're missing the most important questions.

Who dug the grave? Who made the headstone? Where did they buy the coffin? How did Alfred actually get from wherever it was he was all the way to Wayne Manor?

Now you're just being silly MrSuffins.

MrStuffins

Turpentine wrote: »

Now you're just being silly MrSuffins.

Well you started it in fairness!

Voodoomelon

Just watched Batman Begins again for comparison, makes TDKR look like a pile of s***e, infinitely more enjoyable.

Liam O

I seen it today for the second time, I'd built it up so much after loving it the first time it didn't have the same impact though. I think the 2nd fight took on far more significance when I watched it again. In the bright of the day, white snow falling, it symbolises that the Dark Knight has finally become Gotham's White Knight and I really thought it was a beautiful scene. I was too preoccupied with the fight the first time I watched it.

The pacing really stood out a lot more the 2nd time and that is the movies big deficiency imo, the way time passes isn't accurately portrayed to the audience.

The bomb timer was a bit ridiculous at times too. When Talia leaves Bruce with Bane the timer is at 11:30 or something she walks outside and gets into the tumbler, shoots a few people, floods the chamber, catches up with the bomb and the timer is at like 11:00 or something, then like 2 minutes later it's at 5 minutes. Kinda took me out of the scene the second time...

krudler

what bugged me about Talia's plan was:

a. Bruce didn't murder her father, he just didnt save him from the train.

b. the reason the LOS wanted to destroy Gotham in Begins was it was a haven for criminals and corruption. now its not, thanks to who? fcuking Batman!

MrStuffins

krudler wrote: »

what bugged me about Talia's plan was:

a. Bruce didn't murder her father, he just didnt save him from the train.

Unless she'd actually seen the movie, she's not to know this!

b. the reason the LOS wanted to destroy Gotham in Begins was it was a haven for criminals and corruption. now its not, thanks to who? fcuking Batman!

All based on a lie!