The Dark Knight Rises - seen thread *SPOILERS WITHIN* See Mod Warning in first post

Proxy

Grimebox wrote: »

All that said, do you think the film still holds merit? Disappointed is a relative term.

I completely agree with everything you say but still think that the film was good. Very flawed, forgettable but fun action film. I just feel like I've been playing devil advocate to the people referring to the film as the second coming.

Not really, no. It's completely over-rated. I enjoyed very little of it. Of course, it *looked* good, Pfister had done a great job as always. I watched it twice, and some of the dialogue was so clunky and cringeworthy, i'll never watch again. I feel stupid watching it the second time

For example:

• Blake explaining how he knew Batman's identity.
• Daggett describing the "clean slate" to Selina in such absolute detail. Really?
• Gordon and Blake having their little row over Gordon lying about Harvey Dent's turn.

al28283

The worst for me was Alfred telling Bane's entire backstory in 2 minutes. That was awful and extremely lazy writing.

fluke

al28283 wrote: »

Bane "Ah, you've come back to die with your city"
Batman "No, I've come back to stop you"

:rolleyes:

What would you have preferred - 'oh hey that pit wasn't so bad, made some friends there, so what you up to bro?'

podgemonster

Proxy wrote: »

For example:

• Blake explaining how he knew Batman's identity.
• Daggett describing the "clean slate" to Selina in such absolute detail. Really?
• Gordon and Blake having their little row over Gordon lying about Harvey Dent's turn.

Gordon:There's a point far out there, when the structures fail you. When the rules aren't weapons anymore, they're shackles, letting the bad guy get ahead... Maybe one day you'll have such a moment of crisis. And in that moment, I hope you have a friend like I did. Someone willing to... plunge their hands into the filth, so that you can keep yours clean.
Blake: Your hands look plenty filthy to me Commissioner.

In fairness i thought that was an excellent piece of dialogue, Oldmans guilt and anger espressed perfectly. And although Blake is disgusted here, he soon comes to realise what Gordon means about rules being shackles when the cops wont allow the kids out of the city. Great scene!

Handsome Bob

al28283 wrote: »

Bane "Ah, you've come back to die with your city"
Batman "No, I've come back to stop you"

:rolleyes:

Heard this one before, have no problem with it myself. You'd swear some people wanted them to have a shaakesperean verbal joust in the middle of a mass brawl.

Sad Professor

I really liked the Gordon/Blake exchange about failing structures as well. It's also a good example of Nolan possibly over-articulating his themes, which has been a criticism of all his films. See the Joker's talk about chaos, etc in TDK or Ra's rabbiting on about true justice and fear in BB. Personally I think it's good writing. There's an intelligence to it that you don't usually find in blockbusters.

And Daggett's explanation of the "clean slate" is delivered in a very sarcastic way. He's trying to show that such a thing couldn't possibly be real.

al28283

fluke wrote: »

What would you have preferred - 'oh hey that pit wasn't so bad, made some friends there, so what you up to bro?'

But him responding like that just made Batman seem kinda dumb, Bane wasn't actually suggesting that was the reason Batman had come back. It's like Batman doesn't get it

Turtyturd

al28283 wrote: »

But him responding like that just made Batman seem kinda dumb, Bane wasn't actually suggesting that was the reason Batman had come back. It's like Batman doesn't get it

Eh no, no it's not.

Handsome Bob

al28283 wrote: »

fluke wrote: »

What would you have preferred - 'oh hey that pit wasn't so bad, made some friends there, so what you up to bro?'

But him responding like that just made Batman seem kinda dumb, Bane wasn't actually suggesting that was the reason Batman had come back. It's like Batman doesn't get it

It wouldn't have been appropriate for Bruce to have some witty retort. It was a deadly serious situation, with Bruce coming face to face with his torturer. He said what any of would us have said, which was basically just stfu and fight.

al28283

Turtyturd wrote: »

Eh no, no it's not.

Yes, yes it is. At least that's how it came across to me and those I saw the movie with. One of the many points we started laughing at the movie when we weren't supposed to.

fluke

al28283 wrote: »

But him responding like that just made Batman seem kinda dumb, Bane wasn't actually suggesting that was the reason Batman had come back. It's like Batman doesn't get it

In fairness if this was an Iron Man or Spiderman movie, yeah I would have expected a quip like 'yeah I came to watch it die, you got that right, you got it all under control'. If Batman comes in with a wise ass come back it doesn't work for the character especially given the gravity of the situation.

Besides when somebody says a snarky remark we don't always have the timing to come back with something truly witty. Batman probably came up with something in The Bat before he ejected and thought, 'jaysus wait til I tell Selina that one'

al28283

fluke wrote: »

In fairness if this was an Iron Man or Spiderman movie, yeah I would have expected a quip like 'yeah I came to watch it die, you got that right, you got it all under control'. If Batman comes in with a wise ass come back it doesn't work for the character especially given the gravity of the situation.

Besides when somebody says a snarky remark we don't always have the timing to come back with something truly witty. Batman probably came up with something in The Bat before he ejected and thought, 'jaysus wait til I tell Selina that one'

All I'm saying is he shoulda went with a classic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tA-qo5XJGdY

homerun_homer

Dunno if anyone posted this already but for all the minor gripes people have with the movie - have a read.

http://www.uproxx.com/gammasquad/2012/07/your-sarcastic-guide-to-alleged-plot-holes-in-the-dark-knight-rises/

tok9

Is this anywhere in the score?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRuTAzqzuYg

al28283

tok9 wrote: »

Is this anywhere in the score?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRuTAzqzuYg

bits of it are, bits of it aren't

tok9

al28283 wrote: »

bits of it are, bits of it aren't

The majority of the start is Gotham's Reckoning. It great imo.

Professional Griefer

Finally seen it. Amazing film, and I loved Bane, he was immense.

Probably already posted in here, but no harm in throwing it out again, you can buy Banes jacket. :P

iColdFusion

Ix Deadmau5 wrote: »

Probably already posted in here, but no harm in throwing it out again, you can buy Banes jacket. :P

Now we know Bane's true identity!!

stateofflux

just saw it, very good but missing something special that the dark Knight had imo...some jaw dropping action sequences and some good scenes robbed from frank miller's TDKReturns., but went a bit cheese at the end...cats kissing bats? gtfo!

paddy kerins

Kevin Smith's evaluation of the film

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ca-wmCcVzTU

splashthecash

paddy kerins wrote: »

Kevin Smith's evaluation of the film

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ca-wmCcVzTU

Not so much a review\evaluation than it is a SCENE BY SCENE DESCRIPTION\WALKTHROUGH!!

Still very entertaining though..he does a great impression of Bane!

Does he does this for other films? If so, I'm set for the next few weeks

stealinhorses

After listening to that, I suspect Kevin Smith is actually the voice of Bane :P.

Kinski

Elvis Mitchell, where are you now?


Also, one for Ebert fans:"wonderful to look at"? (the man who gave Phantom Menace a good review.)

CL7

paddy kerins wrote: »

Kevin Smith's evaluation of the film

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ca-wmCcVzTU

Not enough nitpicking imo.

Grimebox

What's the point of that video? I listened to 10 mins and he just narrates it

johnny_ultimate

A well-articulated article on 'plot holes' and nitpicking: http://www.avclub.com/articles/plot-holes-and-politics-do-you-need-an-airtight-re,83219/

maximoose

Grimebox wrote: »

What's the point of that video? I listened to 10 mins and he just narrates it

Yeah, its like... the worst audiobook ever.

Skipped until he stops talking about the prologue and he starts properly discussing it.. love when he's talking about the back breaking moment

Tipsy McSwagger

Watched it today and was very disappointed. It was boring in parts, Michael Caine would not stop crying, I couldn't understand half of what Bane was saying, too many plot holes, too many orphans.

OU812

I assume that's where the they were going with the ending (deliberately not putting anything so no spoilers).

Would be interesting & a great transition

B.A._Baracus

Just noticed a subtle thing in the movie.

As we all know, at one point in the movie Gordon says the triggerman deal is all crap as he believes bane wouldnt trust someone with that.

But prior to this, Bane wasnt carrying the detonator in the two explosions he caused (underneath wayne enterprises and the football field / underground tunnels) Both times he gustured for someone to pass him the detonator then he detonated.


To me this looks like a sublte indication from Nolan to sharp viewers that the triggerman is indeed real while watching the movie first time around.

Anyone agree?