Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 12/13

Francie Barrett

Leiva wrote: »

Beller looks set to go . club in discussion with Cardiff for his return:o

If Bellamy wants to leave, then we can hardly stop him. While he was our best wide player last season, he is 33, injury prone and not remotely top 4 anymore.

Leiva wrote: »

Rodgers on Agger: 'Every player has his price. Daniel is a top player, loves the club. But you can never say never.' X2

All Rodgers is saying is that if another club makes a silly offer for one of our players, then we would be even sillier not to let him leave.

CL7

Francie Barrett wrote: »

If Bellamy wants to leave, then we can hardly stop him. While he was our best wide player last season, he is 33, injury prone and not remotely top 4 anymore.

All Rodgers is saying is that if another club makes a silly offer for one of our players, then we would be even sillier not to let him leave.

Come on Francie. Agger is out the door and if he doesn't move this season he'll be unsettled by the fact that we are willing to ship him out to city. Really disappointing.

budgemook

When questioned about Skrtel Rodgers said something along the lines of 'we'll do everything we can to keep him'. When questioned about Agger he says every player has his price. He's saying he's happy to sell Agger at what other clubs are likely to pay (20m+) but wouldn't sell Skrtel for what other clubs are likely to pay (10m).

I'm not sure how I feel about it. If the manager needs funds he needs funds but why the hell do we need to sell Agger for them.

The owners should be injecting some cash for God's sake! They've barely spent a penny since they came on players or a stadium. I know Kenny and Comoli spent alot (and in doing so made it seemingly impossible for Liverpool to get a bargain ever again) but the sales and removal of wages offset that spending.

This feckin tiki taka better work. And Rodgers better bring in some decent replacements. Agger for say Adam Johnson, a decent defender and some change I guess I could live with.

EDIT: And it better not be a straight swap Agger for feckin Joe Allen

Turtyturd

Brandon further cements his status as a yes man.....wonder if he looked at the camera and said 'Hi Roberto Mancini' as he sold Agger.

missingtime

I really don't want Agger sold, but I really really don't want Adam Johnson at the club.

Leiva

jonny24ie wrote: »

Ah lads all it means is that every player have their price.

As honest as it may be ..its a fúcking horrible thing to say !



Brendan Rodgers just went down in my estimations big time .

amiable

Is it true that Agger has only played 47% of games for the club since arriving?

murpho999

I think if we got £22m plus for Agger we'd be mad not to take it.

He's good, but he's 27 and injury prone.

Don't see anything wrong with Rogers comments at all. He's right: every player has his price.

5starpool

At least we have Carragher ready to step into Agger's shoes. That's something to look forward to for the season.

Mr Alan

Shock. Horror. It's true.

The worst thing about this is, if City don't meet our valuation, Agger will likely tell us to shove any new contract offer up our arses (he'd be right to) & then we're forced to sell at a knock down price or lose for **** all in Jan/Summer.

Horrendously handled.

FernandoTorres

Leiva wrote: »

As honest as it may be ..its a fúcking horrible thing to say !



Brendan Rodgers just went down in my estimations big time .

Seems to be the same as the situation with Carroll, we will sell for a big price. I suppose it's just a reversal of what players do to clubs all of the time. It's certainly unorthodox to say it in public though and you'd wonder what it will do to the loyalty of the players. Or maybe we're just naive about the loyalty of players...I should know!

gafferino

yeah he is right when saying every player has his price. Doesnt stop us being disappointed if Agger leaves. Maybe a couple of season ago people wouldnt be as annoyed but I thought last season he seemed to play more than he had done in previous seasons. I thought maybe he had turned a corner with injuries (I know he missed some games).
Just dont want to see Carragher back in there on a regular basis.

hefferboi

Fcuking joke.

tok9

Jesus this is depressing, everyday the only thing I hear is that we are selling players and the only player we look like signing is Allen

Selling Agger just means that we'll have to replace him in this window which looks unlikely.

CL7

murpho999 wrote: »

I think if we got £22m plus for Agger we'd be mad not to take it.

He's good, but he's 27 and injury prone.

Don't see anything wrong with Rogers comments at all. He's right every player has his price.

He's right but it doesn't need to be said. Managers usually say it when they're actively trying to sell a player or when they have become resigned to losing a player. Oh and managers like Roy Hodgson say it about their best players as well. How would you feel if he said it about Suarez?

mike65

I'm wondering if Agger knows how much time he could spend on the bench (even when fit!)
at Maine Road (or whatever its called). Like I said last night at 27 the Dane is at his premium fiscal worth, if he stayed got a fresh contract the next offer would be about 8 million (in 2012 terms). Who is out there to come in at say 10-12 million? cos I'm pretty sure Rodgers can see that Carra is no replacement.

murpho999

C'mon lads...players aren't that sensitive.

They all know that they are commodities and they all have a price.

Francie Barrett

CL7 wrote: »

He's right but it doesn't need to be said. Managers usually say it when they're actively trying to sell a player or when they have become resigned to losing a player. Oh and managers like Roy Hodgson say it as well. How would you feel if he said it about Suarez?

I would be surprised if the deal for Agger isn't already done.

amiable

Francie Barrett wrote: »

I would be surprised if the deal for Agger isn't already done.

I would

Leiva

Mr Alan wrote: »

Shock. Horror. It's true.

The worst thing about this is, if City don't meet our valuation, Agger will likely tell us to shove any new contract offer up our arses (he'd be right to) & then we're forced to sell at a knock down price or lose for **** all in Jan/Summer.

Horrendously handled.

What the fúck are they up to ??

Jeez its either Rodgers is a renegade or we just aint looking close enough to see the puppet strings .

When ever did you hear the likes of Ferguson , Mourinho , Wenger etc saying " every player has a price" ???
Everyone knows Wenger sells a top player at their peak/age to maximise price, but ta fúck would he ever come out and say it at the risk or detriment of the rest of the players in the squad.

Its an absolutely horrible thing to say .

If he looses the squad and we continue the form seen at the end of the last season and this pre-season then good luck .

I am so concerned now .

/rant over.

Vicxas

God this is a horrible feeling....

klose

I am dissapoint

noodler

Mr Alan wrote: »

Shock. Horror. It's true.

The worst thing about this is, if City don't meet our valuation, Agger will likely tell us to shove any new contract offer up our arses (he'd be right to) & then we're forced to sell at a knock down price or lose for **** all in Jan/Summer.

Horrendously handled.

All I'll say on the counterside is that if a manager keeps quiet and just repeats 'not for sale' ad nauseam and then a sale happens, some would be out saying we were tricked/fooled/betrayed/lied to etc.

Still, on balance, I'd rather feel like that and get the best price.

Francie Barrett

noodler wrote: »

All I'll say on the counterside is that if a manager keeps quiet and just repeats 'not for sale' ad nauseam and then a sale happens, some would be out saying we were tricked/fooled/betrayed/lied to etc.

Still, on balance, I'd rather feel like that and get the best price.

As long as we go into the season with Suarez, Reina and Lucas I will be happy. Agger with his injury record was always a nice to have.

ThunbergsAreGo

Lads, how about we hold the panic until when it happens

Leiva

Francie Barrett wrote: »

As long as we go into the season with Suarez, Reina and Lucas I will be happy. Agger with his injury record was always a nice to have.

Mate are you for real ?

LuckyLloyd

People won't like to hear this obviously, but Rodgers has handled the Agger and Carroll situations poorly - like a manager a bit out of his depth tbh.

missingtime

Kristian Walsh on twitter mentioned this guy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toby_Alderweireld yesterday. Kristian has said he new nothing of the Agger story but says he would be a good replacement.

tok9

Francie Barrett wrote: »

As long as we go into the season with Suarez, Reina and Lucas I will be happy. Agger with his injury record was always a nice to have.

Agger is so much more than nice to have though.

The team is always better with him in it. Just think about the partnership Skrtel and Carragher have. Think of the 2nd half of last season for a full season!

hefferboi

Francie Barrett wrote: »

As long as we go into the season with Suarez, Reina and Lucas I will be happy. Agger with his injury record was always a nice to have.

So you'd rather have 3 world class players as opposed to 4? Because there's not a hope in hell we'll replace Agger with anyone as good.

Mr Alan

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

People won't like to hear this obviously, but Rodgers has handled the Agger and Carroll situations poorly - like a manager a bit out of his depth tbh.

Agreed. He needs to learn quickly how to deal with stuff like this.

missingtime

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

People won't like to hear this obviously, but Rodgers has handled the Agger and Carroll situations poorly - like a manager a bit out of his depth tbh.

Everything else has been fine but the Carroll and Agger things have been disappointing.

murpho999

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

People won't like to hear this obviously, but Rodgers has handled the Agger and Carroll situations poorly - like a manager a bit out of his depth tbh.

What depth is required to say if a player is for sale or not?

hefferboi

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

People won't like to hear this obviously, but Rodgers has handled the Agger and Carroll situations poorly - like a manager a bit out of his depth tbh.

Like Kenny and the Suarez incident? But Kenny is a premier league winning manager.

Francie Barrett

Leiva wrote: »

Mate are you for real ?

Even without Agger for large chunks of last season, we still had the third best defensive record in the league. What crippled us last season (besides the woodwork!) was our ability going forward, in particular, our lack of creativity in the middle of the park. If we sell Agger to get a quality creative player who can create/score, then losing Agger is acceptable.

billymitchell

Selling Agger is a step back for the team, no matter how much money we get for him. As we seem to be struggling to attract any big players to the club at the moment, selling one of our top players now would be a ludicrous piece of footballing business

Francie Barrett

tok9 wrote: »

Agger is so much more than nice to have though.

The team is always better with him in it. Just think about the partnership Skrtel and Carragher have. Think of the 2nd half of last season for a full season!

Carragher will remain first choice backup.

I believe Coates' time has come.

Mr Alan

hefferboi wrote: »

Like Kenny and the Suarez incident? But Kenny is a premier league winning manager.

Albeit only an educated guess, but I'd imagine the staunch support shown for Suarez by the club is a part of the reason he is so happy at the club & happy to sign up to another contract. I said as much throughout the affair that it would help us keep him while we're in the wilderness.

People trying to excuse the potential sale of Agger are living in dreamworld.

Francie Barrett wrote: »

Carragher will remain first choice backup.

I believe Coates' time has come.

:rolleyes:

Coates for Agger is a huge downgrade. Why are we downgrading the only part of our team where we were set? Do we not have enough work to do in the transfer market already?

Francie Barrett

Mr Alan wrote: »

People trying to excuse the potential sale of Agger are living in dreamworld.

The only people living in dreamworld are those who think that we can afford to drop £20-30 million on a player without selling first.

hefferboi

Mr Alan wrote: »

Albeit only an educated guess, but I'd imagine the staunch support shown for Suarez by the club is a part of the reason he is so happy at the club & happy to sign up to another contract. I said as much throughout the affair that it would help us keep him while we're in the wilderness.

People trying to excuse the potential sale of Agger are living in dreamworld.



:rolleyes:

Coates for Agger is a huge downgrade. Why are we downgrading the only part of our team where we were set? Do we not have enough work to do in the transfer market already?

I'm not excusing the sale of Agger, I'm actually fairly pis5ed off. But just thought its a bit hypocritical defending Kenny but calling Rodgers out of his depth.

Chucky the tree

I think he's handled the Agger situation well. We have a price for him and we won't go lower. Far better than claiming he's to important to leave and dragging it out and then selling up on the last day of the window.

livinginkorea

Crap, we have no clout in the transfer market at all. I think most of us feel that Agger is worth more and Carroll and the likes of Henderson less but we always end up on the losing side of these things.

We really didn't need a new manager, we need somebody who is a proper businessman who can get us back into making good deals and spotting young talent, not paying 20 million for it all the time. Seriously Arsenal have done it right, the article yesterday that somebody quoted got me thinking a lot. Most of Europe must be hoping we are interested in one of their 'average' players because they will make a fortune out of it because we love to blow money away. So stupid.

The club has to set up a procedure which looks at players coming in and out and places a cap on the amount that we are going to spend per player. I would also say stay away from the English players...plenty in the youth team there. Focus on foreign talent...business wise it makes sense because their value really does explode if they are good. I have no problem bringing in young talent, that is the way the sport is going but let's not pay through the nose for it. If every player has his price then we should have out price too and several options available if that option proves to expensive.

Don't sign Allen, let him get pissed off with the club and let them come to us to sell him when he hands in a request, bloody hell what a nightmare. Somebody wake me up when it's all over.

Francie Barrett

Mr Alan wrote: »

Coates for Agger is a huge downgrade. Why are we downgrading the only part of our team where we were set? Do we not have enough work to do in the transfer market already?

I have LOTS of confidence in Coates, I think his physicality and his decent technique on the ball will endear him to the Rodgers system. This time next season, he will be one of the two first choice players we have at the back.

Mr Alan

Francie Barrett wrote: »

The only people living in dreamworld are those who think that we can afford to drop £20-30 million on a player without selling first.

I'm not expecting us to drop £30m on a player?

However, we've cut out wage bill by in excess of £15m already this season, combined with a few quid come in from player sales. Combined with getting back into Europe & the few quid that brings.

After doing that, I expect us not to be forced to sell our best players if we want to buy in any other players.

Mr Alan

Francie Barrett wrote: »

I have LOTS of confidence in Coates, I think his physicality and his decent technique on the ball will endear him to the Rodgers system. This time next season, he will be one of the two first choice players we have at the back.

I quite like him too. But Agger is one of the best defenders in the league.

I don't nescessarily disagree with your view on Coates place in the team this time next year, however, I'd also think if we carry on the way we're going we'll have finished between 7th & 12th in the league.

FernandoTorres

I think the real damage was done when we spent €100m+ on a pile of crap last Summer. That has made the owners very wary and that's fair enough. We are seeing the repercussions of it now unfortunately.

amiable

http://www.football-italia.net/22746/city-want-kjaer

Former Roma loanee Simon Kjaer could reject a return to Italy in favour of joining Manchester City, claim reports.

Kjaer spent last season on loan at the Stadio Olimpico but a permanent deal didn’t follow, leading to the likes of Milan and Fiorentina both reportedly considering a move this summer.

However, they could be beaten by Roberto Mancini’s City, who are considering Kjaer if they cannot complete a deal for first-choice target Daniel Agger of Liverpool.

The young Dane was thought to be certain to leave Wolfsburg permanently due to his fractious relationship with Coach Felix Magath.

However, with reports suggesting that the pair have now patched up their differences, the player’s departure has become more complex.

Lille and Malaga are also reportedly in the running for the defender’s signature too.

D'Agger

Francie Barrett wrote: »

Even without Agger for large chunks of last season, we still had the third best defensive record in the league. What crippled us last season (besides the woodwork!) was our ability going forward, in particular, our lack of creativity in the middle of the park. If we sell Agger to get a quality creative player who can create/score, then losing Agger is acceptable.

One of the reasons we had such a decent defensive record was because Agger was available for larger chunks than usual for it.

It's simple - Agger is an extremely talented CB - selling him would be a huge mistake

Leiva

It seems to me that Rodgers is desperate to get a player in . I don't know who that player is but their value seems to be around the £20 mil mark ... I am just hoping its not Allen for that price .

Why do I think this ? ...
He was saying the exact same thing about Carroll and trying to drum up a sale. now that interest has cooled we now seem to be stuck with him so Rodgers has moved his sights to Agger to get the funds.

So I wouldn't be surprised if there is only one or two players on our radar and be prepared that one of those could be a very costly Joe Allen

Francie Barrett

Mr Alan wrote: »

However, we've cut out wage bill by in excess of £15m already this season, combined with a few quid come in from player sales. Combined with getting back into Europe & the few quid that brings.

After doing that, I expect us not to be forced to sell our best players if we want to buy in any other players.

Europa League money is insignificant, the money brought in from transfer fees is barely £2 million. It's pretty clear we either make do with what we have or sell to buy. Given our performances last year, it seems clear to me that we need to bring in attacking talent, if selling Agger means we can do that, then so be it.