Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 12/13

Jesus Wept

I'm shy.

Leiva

gafferino wrote: »

Lads whats the low down on Sahin I dont know a lot about him but I gather he would be to play as the attacking mid player?

If we get him you won't be disappointed, trust me. It's great to be linked with such names (even if it's just a loan deal) as not so long ago I would have said you were crazy to suggest what we are linked to today.

gafferino

ok found this profile of him

http://www.player-profiles.co.uk/nuri-sahin_.php

Leiva

Andy Carroll wrote: »

I'm shy.

Don't be big fella.

If anything all this news of other players is taking the heat off you which will allow you to play without that £35mil ball around your neck.

gafferino

Leiva wrote: »

If we get him you won't be disappointed, trust me. It's great to be linked with such names (even if it's just a loan deal) as not so long ago I would have said you were crazy to suggest what we are linked to today.

Reading the profile and a few other things about him. Where do you see him fitting in our team (If he comes). Is the Lucas role not his best position?

Leiva

Look be careful lads .

I have a feeling that Des Comolli is lurking in the background ready to do a Jeff Shreeves and pounce on some over excited Liverpool fan . :pac:

~Rebel~

gafferino wrote: »

Reading the profile and a few other things about him. Where do you see him fitting in our team (If he comes). Is the Lucas role not his best position?

I wouldn't quite agree with that (that the Lucas role is his position).

I see him as one of the best all round box to box midfielders there is at the moment. He's absolutely fantastic dictating play in the middle of the park, gets stuck in with challenges, but also drives forward and links up with the forwards. He did great work with Kagawa, so could see him being a great person for Suarez too. When he drives forward, he's similar to a young Gerrard, powers through with real purpose. (In fact, in a lot of ways, he's very reminiscent of Gerrard around that age.)

Just a fantastic player. I would expect a midfield 3 of him, Allen and Lucas, with Gerrard moved into the front 3 (when fit). Would give us fantastic depth in midfield. If any one of the 3 were to get injured, the others could switch roles with Gerrard dropping back. Would be the best we've had since the days of Xabi, Momo, Gerrard and Masch.

<edit> some football porn

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzUxroKDmFk

(Incidentally, I ****ing LOVE Sahin. He was the next guy on my manlove hitlist to bring in after Suarez.)

mike65

Pacheco still in the managers thoughts then.

Sappy404

~Rebel~ wrote: »

some football porn

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzUxroKDmFk

(Incidentally, I ****ing LOVE Sahin. He was the next guy on my manlove hitlist to bring in after Suarez.)

gafferino

~Rebel~ wrote: »

I wouldn't quite agree with that (that the Lucas role is his position).

I see him as one of the best all round box to box midfielders there is at the moment. He's absolutely fantastic dictating play in the middle of the park, gets stuck in with challenges, but also drives forward and links up with the forwards. He did great work with Kagawa, so could see him being a great person for Suarez too. When he drives forward, he's similar to a young Gerrard, powers through with real purpose. (In fact, in a lot of ways, he's very reminiscent of Gerrard around that age.)

Just a fantastic player. I would expect a midfield 3 of him, Allen and Lucas, with Gerrard moved into the front 3 (when fit). Would give us fantastic depth in midfield. If any one of the 3 were to get injured, the others could switch roles with Gerrard dropping back. Would be the best we've had since the days of Xabi, Momo, Gerrard and Masch.

<edit> some football porn

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzUxroKDmFk

(Incidentally, I ****ing LOVE Sahin. He was the next guy on my manlove hitlist to bring in after Suarez.)

Right ive seen enough. Yes please.
Now my hopes are up and will be crushed no doubt.

INs: Sahin, Dempsey
Out: Adam, Carroll
Keepsies no swapsys: Agger

K-9

Grayditch wrote: »

I hope we're not getting too romantic about players convincing other players about us.

Normally I'd be be a skeptic but this is Xabi, so all doubts about Ballague disappear!

Jesus Wept

~Rebel~ wrote: »

gafferino wrote: »

Reading the profile and a few other things about him. Where do you see him fitting in our team (If he comes). Is the Lucas role not his best position?

I wouldn't quite agree with that (that the Lucas role is his position).

I see him as one of the best all round box to box midfielders there is at the moment. He's absolutely fantastic dictating play in the middle of the park, gets stuck in with challenges, but also drives forward and links up with the forwards. He did great work with Kagawa, so could see him being a great person for Suarez too. When he drives forward, he's similar to a young Gerrard, powers through with real purpose. (In fact, in a lot of ways, he's very reminiscent of Gerrard around that age.)

Just a fantastic player. I would expect a midfield 3 of him, Allen and Lucas, with Gerrard moved into the front 3 (when fit). Would give us fantastic depth in midfield. If any one of the 3 were to get injured, the others could switch roles with Gerrard dropping back. Would be the best we've had since the days of Xabi, Momo, Gerrard and Masch.

<edit> some football porn

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzUxroKDmFk

(Incidentally, I ****ing LOVE Sahin. He was the next guy on my manlove hitlist to bring in after Suarez.)

Please divulge the full list.

tok9

the_doctor199 wrote: »

For anyone going to tonights match in Belfast, team sheet below.

Great to see Teixeira involved. Haven't heard anything about him in a while.

Opr, do you know if he's played any other matches for us?

Leiva

~Rebel~ wrote: »

(Incidentally, I ****ing LOVE Sahin. He was the next guy on my manlove hitlist to bring in after Suarez.)

Rebel we need you to do whatever Voodoo shít you performed before we went after Suarez cause you never stopped banging on about him and it worked :pac:

Kess73

Grayditch wrote: »

I hope we're not getting too romantic about players convincing other players about us.

It seems to have some degree of an effect though as seen by how Hazard went on about how Joe Cole, when he was on loan to Lille, spoke so much about Chelsea.

Melion

tok9 wrote: »

Great to see Teixeira involved. Haven't heard anything about him in a while.

Opr, do you know if he's played any other matches for us?

He has played a couple of times in pre season and look good

Grayditch

Kess73 wrote: »

It seems to have some degree of an effect though as seen by how Hazard went on about how Joe Cole, when he was on loan to Lille, spoke so much about Chelsea.

Haha, possibly.

EDIT: Right, you weren't joking. Good job, Joe.

Grayditch

Why did I watch that video? So many "Wunderbar, klasse passes".

DrumSteve

Kess73 wrote: »

It seems to have some degree of an effect though as seen by how Hazard went on about how Joe Cole, when he was on loan to Lille, spoke so much about Chelsea.

why the **** didnt he tell him about us

LiamoSail

Kess73 wrote: »

Grayditch wrote: »

I hope we're not getting too romantic about players convincing other players about us.

It seems to have some degree of an effect though as seen by how Hazard went on about how Joe Cole, when he was on loan to Lille, spoke so much about Chelsea.

To be fair, why wouldn't he

He had the best period of his career there and given how things have worked out for him at Liverpool, you'd hardly expect him to try convince others go to liverpool over Chelsea.

I know it wasnt a case of hazard deciding between Liverpool or Chelsea, but nothing wrong with what cole did IMO

I reckon when players talk to each other about different clubs, Liverpool must be discussed in the same sort of terms the rest of us discuss council job; plenty of money for doing **** all

Kess73

LiamoSail wrote: »

To be fair, why wouldn't he

He had the best period of his career there and given how things have worked out for him at Liverpool, you'd hardly expect him to try convince others go to liverpool over Chelsea.

I know it wasnt a case of hazard deciding between Liverpool or Chelsea, but nothing wrong with what cole did IMO

I reckon when players talk to each other about different clubs, Liverpool must be discussed in the same sort of terms the rest of us discuss council job; plenty of money for doing **** all

Never said there was anything wrong with what he did, just saying that players will listen to what other players say about a club.

Turtyturd

DrumSteve wrote: »

why the **** didnt he tell him about us

I've watched him play twice....dodged a bullet there.

Now obligatory Azard gif.

LiamoSail

Kess73 wrote: »

LiamoSail wrote: »

To be fair, why wouldn't he

He had the best period of his career there and given how things have worked out for him at Liverpool, you'd hardly expect him to try convince others go to liverpool over Chelsea.

I know it wasnt a case of hazard deciding between Liverpool or Chelsea, but nothing wrong with what cole did IMO

I reckon when players talk to each other about different clubs, Liverpool must be discussed in the same sort of terms the rest of us discuss council job; plenty of money for doing **** all

Never said there was anything wrong with what he did, just saying that players will listen to what other players say about a club.

Apologies, didn't mean to imply otherwise, just making the point that cole did what anyone else in his position would have

Luckycharms_74

Srijandeep Das ‏@jeremy_LFC

Tello: #LFC comfortable with either option - ready to pay upto €4m. Likely Barca could do a permanent deal. Depends entirely on player.

There is no price discrepancy with Fulham for Dempsey. #LFC have offered a cash+Adam package. Adam rejected contract once. Is stalling move.

LFC think they have done all they can from their end to land Sahin, pulled all the right strings. Upto the player to decide.

Dickerty

gafferino wrote: »

Right ive seen enough. Yes please.
Now my hopes are up and will be crushed no doubt.

Yeh, now that we are all excited, the git will join Arsenal. Let's hope Xabi reminds him that they haven't won a trophy in 7 years. A few CL games in a boring stadium can't make up for that.

http://www.sincearsenallastwonatrophy.co.uk/

*Anfield Mole tweeting that Sahin moves is moving forward, to us...

LiamoSail

Dickerty wrote: »

gafferino wrote: »

Right ive seen enough. Yes please.
Now my hopes are up and will be crushed no doubt.

Yeh, now that we are all excited, the git will join Arsenal. Let's hope Xabi reminds him that they haven't won a trophy in 7 years. A few CL games in a boring stadium can't make up for that.

http://www.sincearsenallastwonatrophy.co.uk/

*Anfield Mole tweeting that Sahin moves is moving forward, to us...

As oppose to a few 7th place finishes and a league cup victory? An let's face it, anfield is hardly much louder then the emirates these days

Leiva

Dembélé heavily linked with Real today.

Could Sahin possibly be on the way out on a sale ?

Ohhh the excitement .

sit down Des nothing to see here lol

gafferino

Luckycharms_74 wrote: »

Srijandeep Das ‏@jeremy_LFC

ah stop this, its all too much for us. Just let us sign ****e players and leave us alone to argue amongst ourselves.

Dickerty

Anyway, where would Arsenal play him? They already have Arteta, Wilshere (eventually), Song, Rosicky and Ramsey for central spots. Would Arteta drop down the order?

Kess73

Leiva wrote: »

Dembélé heavily linked with Real today.

Could Sahin possibly be on the way out on a sale ?

Ohhh the excitement .

sit down Des nothing to see here lol

Would love to see us at least try for Dembele. He could be a force sitting in front of Allen and Lucas.

Dickerty

Kess73 wrote: »

Would love to see us at least try for Dembele. He could be a force sitting in front of Allen and Lucas.

Ahead of Sahin? I guess not...

Who makes way if we sign both Dempsey and Sahin? Midfield of Lucas, Allen and Sahin, attack of Gerrard, Borini and Suarez? Dempsey to play instead of Borini some games, and for a change actual quality in reserve in Shelvey, Hendo, Downing, Sterling and Carroll...(assuming Adam gone)

Leiva

Kess73 wrote: »

Would love to see us at least try for Dembele. He could be a force sitting in front of Allen and Lucas.

Yes he is quality but I like the way Sahin can split a defence with the quality of pass he has not mentioning his dead ball abilities.

Just imagine Suarez in front of that quality or even Raheem getting in behind with his pace .

Ahh I'm getting ridiculous now ..gonna stop .

Kess73

Leiva wrote: »

Yes he is quality but I like the way Sahin can split a defence with the quality of pass he has not mentioning his dead ball abilities.

Just imagine Suarez in front of that quality or even Raheem getting in behind with his pace .

Ahh I'm getting ridiculous now ..gonna stop .

Dembele as a purchase or Sahin as just a 10 month loan? Would go with the full time option everytime.


Now Sahin on a full time basis would be another story.

Dickerty

One thing worries me - we are relying on the system to limit the opportunities that the opposition get against us. We will need that to be the case cause we are not exactly signing players for their defensive capabilities. And we are building a very short team also - Allen, Borini, Sahin and Dempsey all less than large in stature. If we come up against a side who keep the ball as well as we want to, and move it quickly, our lack of wingers (a la 4-4-2) could be an issue...

G.K.

Dickerty wrote: »

we are not exactly signing players for their defensive capabilities.

Would disagree there, Borini and Allen's defensive games will have had a bearing on their signing. Likewise with Dempsey, I feel.

Kess73

Dickerty wrote: »

Ahead of Sahin? I guess not...

Who makes way if we sign both Dempsey and Sahin? Midfield of Lucas, Allen and Sahin, attack of Gerrard, Borini and Suarez? Dempsey to play instead of Borini some games, and for a change actual quality in reserve in Shelvey, Hendo, Downing, Sterling and Carroll...(assuming Adam gone)

Yep ahead of Sahin if Dembele was a purchase and Sahin was only a loan.


If we bring in both Sahin and Dempsey, along with having got Allen, it means that Henderson, Adam, Spearing, and Shelvey have all gone well down in the pecking order.

Sahin as a CAM is better than Henderson, Adam , or Shelvey.

Sahin as a cm is better than Henderson, Adam, Shelvey, and Spearing.

Demspey as a CAM is better than Henderson, Adam , or Shelvey.

Allen as a CM or CAM is better than Henderson, Adam, Shelvey, and Spearing.

Lucas as a cm is better than Henderson, Adam, Shelvey, and Spearing.

Gerrard as a CAM is better than Henderson, Adam, Shelvey, and Spearing.


Basically we would have three midfield positions (two CM slots and a CAM/AM slot) and have 5 players for those three slots who are all better than Henderson, Adam, Shelvey, and Spearing.

Granted Dempsey and Gerrard as also cover the left and right wide attacking slots, but it really would push Henderson, Adam, Shelvey, and Spearing down the pecking order quite a bit imho.

Kess73

G.K. wrote: »

Would disagree there, Borini and Allen's defensiv games will have had a bearing on their signing. Likewise with Dempsey, I feel.

Totally agree. The two that were signed both have very high work rates when the team is on the back foot, and Demspey does the same.

Sahin is no slouch when it comes to work rate either.


It would appear that hard working and very mobils players that also have a high level of game intelligence coupled with good to very good skill levels is what Rodgers wants.

5starpool

We'll probably end up getting no one in and selling Lucas on deadline day or something.

Glico Man

Dickerty wrote: »

One thing worries me - we are relying on the system to limit the opportunities that the opposition get against us. We will need that to be the case cause we are not exactly signing players for their defensive capabilities. And we are building a very short team also - Allen, Borini, Sahin and Dempsey all less than large in stature. If we come up against a side who keep the ball as well as we want to, and move it quickly, our lack of wingers (a la 4-4-2) could be an issue...

Disagree there. Defending starts from the front. With Suarez's and Borini's work rate, the opposition will find it tough to get away from them for a good part of the match. Defenders won't get time on the ball. Allen and Lucas in midfield is steely, and height wise, Skrtel, Gerrard and Agger are tall enough to cope with most defenders/attackers. Not to mention we have players, who despite not being the best headerers, have a considerable leap (Enrique and Johnson).

Kess73

Dickerty wrote: »

One thing worries me - we are relying on the system to limit the opportunities that the opposition get against us. We will need that to be the case cause we are not exactly signing players for their defensive capabilities. And we are building a very short team also - Allen, Borini, Sahin and Dempsey all less than large in stature. If we come up against a side who keep the ball as well as we want to, and move it quickly, our lack of wingers (a la 4-4-2) could be an issue...

Borini is 5'11. Demspey is 6'1. Both are strong feckers who are well capable of a physical game.

Sahin is 5'10 so is not exactly what one would call very short.

Dickerty

Kess73 wrote: »

Totally agree. The two that were signed both have very high work rates when the team is on the back foot, and Demspey does the same.

Sahin is no slouch when it comes to work rate either.


It would appear that hard working and very mobils players that also have a high level of game intelligence coupled with good to very good skill levels is what Rodgers wants.

I get why he is signing them, but I am saying they are being signed moreso for their attacking nouse. Yes, he likes busy and hardworking players. But there will be games where we miss Kuyt coving up the right side, or Bellamy on the left.

But speculate to accumulate and all that...

gafferino

Dickerty wrote: »

One thing worries me - we are relying on the system to limit the opportunities that the opposition get against us. We will need that to be the case cause we are not exactly signing players for their defensive capabilities. And we are building a very short team also - Allen, Borini, Sahin and Dempsey all less than large in stature. If we come up against a side who keep the ball as well as we want to, and move it quickly, our lack of wingers (a la 4-4-2) could be an issue...

Not comparing us to these teams but Spain and Barca aren't exactly towering teams. Wouldnt be too worried.

Kess73

Dickerty wrote: »

I get why he is signing them, but I am saying they are being signed moreso for their attacking nouse. Yes, he likes busy and hardworking players. But there will be games where we miss Kuyt coving up the right side, or Bellamy on the left.

But speculate to accumulate and all that...

Borini has a similar workrate to Kuyt and similar levels of stamina so we have that big hearted display option back in the team with him but inside a more mobile player than Dirk.

Also I think that Borini will be in the wide left role more often than not so we won't be without a similar wide effect to what Bellamy and Kuyt brought to the team.


Dempsey if he arrives will bring that level of effort and roving to the flank as well.

Dickerty

gafferino wrote: »

Not comparing us to these teams but Spain and Barca aren't exactly towering teams. Wouldnt be too worried.

What the hell, has EVERYONE bought into the System now? Comparisons to Spain and Barca (despite saying "Not comparing but...")? Confidence in "defending from the front"?

There is FAR too much positivity on here. I'm a little scared now.

PRAF

Kess73 wrote: »

Yep ahead of Sahin if Dembele was a purchase and Sahin was only a loan.


If we bring in both Sahin and Dempsey, along with having got Allen, it means that Henderson, Adam, Spearing, and Shelvey have all gone well down in the pecking order.

Sahin as a CAM is better than Henderson, Adam , or Shelvey.

Sahin as a cm is better than Henderson, Adam, Shelvey, and Spearing.

Demspey as a CAM is better than Henderson, Adam , or Shelvey.

Allen as a CM or CAM is better than Henderson, Adam, Shelvey, and Spearing.

Lucas as a cm is better than Henderson, Adam, Shelvey, and Spearing.

Gerrard as a CAM is better than Henderson, Adam, Shelvey, and Spearing.


Basically we would have three midfield positions (two CM slots and a CAM/AM slot) and have 5 players for those three slots who are all better than Henderson, Adam, Shelvey, and Spearing.

Granted Dempsey and Gerrard as also cover the left and right wide attacking slots, but it really would push Henderson, Adam, Shelvey, and Spearing down the pecking order quite a bit imho.

I think Spearing and Adam's days at LFC are numbered. In particular, I cannot see Adam staying much longer, especially if we sign Dembele or Dempsey from Fulham. Adam would be a natural makeweight in any deals with them. Spearing is not good enough long term, but I wouldn't fuss too much if he remained as a squad player. It would be nice to cash in on him, but I wouldn't say he's on too much money and isn't a drain on our resources.

I see no difficulty in keeping Hendo and Shelvey. Shelvey can cover a number of positions (DM, CAM, wide forward, etc.) and so can Hendo (DM, CAM, right back). They'll both get plenty of games, both have lots of potential, and both seem to have great attitudes and are a good influence on the team / squad.

Now if only we could get rid of Joe Cole.......and cut Carra's wages by at least 75%!!

gafferino

Dickerty wrote: »

What the hell, has EVERYONE bought into the System now? Comparisons to Spain and Barca (despite saying "Not comparing but...")? Confidence in "defending from the front"?

There is FAR too much positivity on here. I'm a little scared now.

I wasnt comparing us to them in playing style or quality (as per my quote!) I was just saying you dont necessarily have to have a tall team. I think we will get a lot more goals than last season - not that that would be hard (I hope).

gafferino

I can sense the giddyness in here....We need LL to come in and bring us down to earth.

PRAF

gafferino wrote: »

I can sense the giddyness in here....We need LL to come in and bring us down to earth.

What's not to like, in a few masterful transfer moves and a shake up in approach, Rodgers has turned depression into cautious optimism. Hopefully there will be some more positive steps to come.

gafferino

PRAF wrote: »

What's not to like, in a few masterful transfer moves and a shake up in approach, Rodgers has turned depression into cautious optimism. Hopefully there will be some more positive steps to come.

Not yet....but hopefully.

CL7

PRAF wrote: »

What's not to like, in a few masterful transfer moves and a shake up in approach, Rodgers has turned depression into cautious optimism. Hopefully there will be some more positive steps to come.

Masterful? Nothing has materialised yet. Ah sh1t you've gone and done it now, here comes Lloyd.