Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 12/13

whatawaster

opr wrote: »

Lets say the quality of Agger in defense means we make CL football next year. If we downgrade to Godin it means we lose out on CL football. Is it still good business?

Opr

How many points do you think Agger is worth over a good defender like Godin?

Leiva

I'm expecting good news on Thursday then

@SiClancy: Thursday night on 5 Live Sport there's an hour long programme on The New Liverpool including interviews with Tom Werner & Brendan Rodgers.

Chucky the tree

opr wrote: »

Lets say the quality of Agger in defense means we make CL football next year. If we downgrade to Godin it means we lose out on CL football. Is it still good business?

Opr

Lets say the £27m is used to buy players who help us win the league, is it still good business? Yes, I think so. :pac:

Jesus Wept

John Henry can smell my sac.

murpho999

daithijjj wrote: »

It could be argued that those players left because there was no sign of the club showing ambition to win trophies anymore. Fair enough, they got nice money but for me the Arsenal crowd have been kept passive through CL qualification. If RVP had the season he normally has last year, ie average 23 league games, they would have been down where we ended up imho. Its ironic that Van Persie has chosen this summer to get his pay day sorted. Thats a recurring problem there and one we dont need. If you want to build a team, you dont want to do it every summer out of necessity rather than design. At least i wouldnt anyway and i wouldnt want to sit around looking at it happen all the time.

I still think it was more the players pushing for the transfer than Owners forcing them out and also that RVP is the only one leaving because of the direction club was going.

Henry & Fabregas couldn't turn down Barcelona.
Nasri massaged his ego and bank balance going to City.

Agree with your point about RVP though.

Ape X

Andy Carroll wrote: »

John Henry can smell my sac.

We all can. See a doctor please.

Luckycharms_74

whatawaster wrote: »

How many points do you think Agger is worth over a good defender like Godin?

Id say 9+. The thing is Godin might be a good defender. How quick he would settle in is the a huge factor. We have 3 difficult home games to start the season so Godin would have a baptism of fire.

murpho999

whatawaster wrote: »

How many points do you think Agger is worth over a good defender like Godin?

How would you expect anyone to answer that?

Dickerty

murpho999 wrote: »

Not all the fans wanted Kenny to stay but I don't think any fans want Agger to go.

Also, it would send out the message that LFC is a selling club which would not be good.

We already are - Alonso, Masc, Torres?

opr

whatawaster wrote: »

How many points do you think Agger is worth over a good defender like Godin?

In a Rodgers system with our wing backs pushed right up and one of the centre backs having to play an awful lot of football with the ball at his feet. A fit Agger over the course of the season will be worth a hell of a lot imo. I think if Rodgers was drawing up a list of centre backs he could have for his system from any team in the world Agger would be in the top 5.

My point though was more that it's a very complex decision which should be being made by people who really understand football. Not John Henry looking at the fact we can get X amount of money, which will mean we can replace with Y and have Z left over.

Opr

mike65

opr wrote: »

Lets say the quality of Agger in defense means we make CL football next year. If we downgrade to Godin it means we lose out on CL football. Is it still good business?

Opr

Pointless, impossible to debate hypotheticals are not my bag.

opr

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Lets say the £27m is used to buy players who help us win the league, is it still good business? Yes, I think so. :pac:

You don't have £27m. You've at most £15m once you buy a replacement for Agger. This will already have weakened the team as you're not going to find a player as good as Agger for £12m. So you're left with £15m which I don't think improves us enough to make the deal worthwhile.

Opr

opr

mike65 wrote: »

Pointless, impossible to debate hypotheticals are not my bag.

You're quite happy to throw out the pointless rubbish when it suits your idea that it makes good business sense. All I did was show we don't know that it will in the end.

Opr

mike65

opr wrote: »

You're quite happy to throw out the pointless rubbish when it suits your idea that it makes good business sense. All I did was show we don't know that it will in the end.

Opr

(you and few others really need to de-personalise these discussions)

I didn't say it was my idea of good business, I'd keep Agger. I was looking at this from FSGs point of view - Agger maximum value now, injury record, silly offers in the offing, why not cash in?

Knex*

The owners forfeited any control they had, or outside control, over Rodgers' transfer decisions when they agreed to not put a DOF in place imo.

Rodgers demanded full control and final say on transfers and they agreed, ditching their model, and handing him full reign.

This really shouldn't be the owner's decision to make.

For them to come in and dictate whether or not Agger should leave, when the manager specifically says he wants him, is wrong and could very well lead to a shitstorm backlash from the fans.

You'll certainly get a few numpties in Anfield with a "Yanks out" banner anyway.

Chucky the tree

opr wrote: »

You don't have £27m. You've at most £15m once you buy a replacement for Agger. This will already have weakened the team as you're not going to find a player as good as Agger for £12m. So you're left with £15m which I don't think improves us enough to make the deal worthwhile.

Opr

I don't think we need a replacement as good as Agger tbh. I'd be more than happy with someone on a level to Skrtel.

Mr Alan

mike65 wrote: »

(you and few others really need to de-personalise these discussions)

I didn't say it was my idea of good business, I'd keep Agger. I was looking at this from FSGs point of view - Agger maximum value now, injury record, silly offers in the offing, why not cash in?

Because the manager wants to keep him?
Because the player wants to stay?
Because they know nothing about football & have said that they should stay away from anything to do with transfers for that reason?

Mr Alan

Chucky the tree wrote: »

I don't think we need a replacement as good as Agger tbh. I'd be more than happy with someone on a level to Skrtel.

Which Skrtel? The one beside Agger or the other one without him who's nowhere near as good?

redzerdrog

Chucky the tree wrote: »

I don't think we need a replacement as good as Agger tbh. I'd be more than happy with someone on a level to Skrtel.

WTF

that is one of the most retarded statements I have ever read

Chucky the tree

Mr Alan wrote: »

Which Skrtel? The one beside Agger or the other one without him who's nowhere near as good?

The one who'd look good beside anyone but Carragher.

daithijjj

murpho999 wrote: »

I still think it was more the players pushing for the transfer than Owners forcing them out and also that RVP is the only one leaving because of the direction club was going.

Henry & Fabregas couldn't turn down Barcelona.
Nasri massaged his ego and bank balance going to City.

Agree with your point about RVP though.

The crux though is, that those players left. Arsenal will never know if they would have stayed if the club had showed ambition before it came to that. The basic point is, if you are young and talented and make the grade you end up leaving Arsenal at some point in or before your prime years. Nobody wants that.

CL7

I think Rodgers has final say when it comes to transfers. He wants to keep Agger but if city come in with a bid over £27M he'd be tempted to sell because he thinks he could improve the team in a big way with the money. If Agger goes the owners take the blame, Rodgers gets the players he wants and keeps on side with the supporters.

Obviously this is all conjecture and I could be taking outta my ass but it's the only scenario that makes sense to me unless they have a Dof type figure in the background advising them on transfers.

Luckycharms_74

CL7 wrote: »

unless they have a Dof type figure in the background advising them on transfers.

Of course they do

opr

Suso puts the reserves 1-0 against Crusaders. Kid is really doing his talking on pitch, has scored it every preseason game. Good experience for the lads as it's a sell out crowd of 13,000.

Opr

greendom

daithijjj wrote: »

The crux though is, that those players left. Arsenal will never know if they would have stayed if the club had showed ambition before it came to that. The basic point is, if you are young and talented and make the grade you end up leaving Arsenal at some point in or before your prime years. Nobody wants that.

That has been the case over the last few years while the stadium was built and paid for. Hopefully that period is over and we can really benefit from the 60,000 seater stadium and move away from some of the poor sponsorship deals we've had during that period. This Summer has shown the first few signs of the change and although they weren't quick enough to change RVPs mind i'm quite optimistic that he'll be the last.

Turtyturd

Andy Carroll wrote: »

John Henry can smell my sac.

Maybe that's why he wants you out.

Kerrigooney

Chucky the tree wrote: »

I don't think we need a replacement as good as Agger tbh. I'd be more than happy with someone on a level to Skrtel.

What kind of a statement is that?

Dickerty

opr wrote: »

Suso puts the reserves 1-0 against Crusaders. Kid is really doing his talking on pitch, has scored it every preseason game. Good experience for the lads as it's a sell out crowd of 13,000.

Opr

Talk on the twit that he won't agree a new contract, hence why back in reserves...

Chucky the tree

Kerrigooney wrote: »

What kind of a statement is that?

I thought it was a pretty clear one. Not sure what difficulty you are having understanding it tbh.

jenno86

Talk on Twitter?

If people are going to say this could ya please let us know who's tweeting it. Then we can make up your minds if theres any credibility to it.

Ape X

jenno86 wrote: »

Talk on Twitter?

If people are going to say this could ya please let us know who's tweeting it. Then we can make up your minds if theres any credibility to it.

A thousand times this.

Dickerty

jenno86 wrote: »

Talk on Twitter?

If people are going to say this could ya please let us know who's tweeting it. Then we can make up your minds if theres any credibility to it.

I think it was Anfield Mole, who's been pretty spot on. And we know he only has a year left, so I am sure it's a priority after Skittles and Agger...

Oscorp

opr wrote: »

Suso puts the reserves 1-0 against Crusaders. Kid is really doing his talking on pitch, has scored it every preseason game. Good experience for the lads as it's a sell out crowd of 13,000.

Opr

2-0 now at HT, thanks to an Adam Morgan tap in.

opr

Cracker.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWEZDj16-aE

Opr

daithijjj

jenno86 wrote: »

Talk on Twitter?

If people are going to say this could ya please let us know who's tweeting it. Then we can make up your minds if theres any credibility to it.

LFC Globe says Dempsey fee is agreed, only waiting for Adam to sort out the rest of it. It also says Ballague info is spot on, whatever about Ballague, LFC Globe is good.

MD1990

Here's Macca's latest post. pic.twitter.com/lNeG3YEm

Jesus Wept

Bring back Charlie Adams.

djPSB

Chucky the tree wrote: »

The one who'd look good beside anyone but Carragher.

I think that is a myth.

Just another stick people use to beat Carragher with.

Luckycharms_74

MD1990 wrote: »

Here's Macca's latest post. pic.twitter.com/lNeG3YEm

Who is Macca ?

amiable

MD1990 wrote: »

Here's Macca's latest post. pic.twitter.com/lNeG3YEm

I can't stand the bloke who posted the pic on twitter

MD1990

Luckycharms_74 wrote: »

Who is Macca ?

dunno really
but he is supposed to be reliable

Leiva

Balls it seems the rumour about the witch being dead was false or premature .

Well I suppose hang in there you oul Hag til there is JFT96

#Thatcherstillalive

jenno86

daithijjj wrote: »

LFC Globe says Dempsey fee is agreed, only waiting for Adam to sort out the rest of it. It also says Ballague info is spot on, whatever about Ballague, LFC Globe is good.

LFC Globe? Must give them a follow.

grohlisagod

Macca would be Steve McManaman would it not?

Luckycharms_74

Some business news regarding Standard Chartered

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-19253666

Standard Chartered agrees settlement with New York regulator


Standard Chartered has agreed a $340m (£217m) settlement with New York regulators that accused it of hiding $250bn of transactions with Iran.

The hearing that had been scheduled for Wednesday has now been adjourned.

The bank's chief executive Peter Sands has been in New York negotiating with the regulators.

The bank had admitted that some of its transactions did break US sanctions, but said that the amount totalled just $14m.

"The New York State Department of Financial Services (DFS) and Standard Chartered Bank have reached an agreement to settle the matter raised in the DFS order dated August 6, 2012," a statement from the regulator's superintendent said.

"The parties have agreed that the conduct at issue involved transactions of at least $250bn."

A short statement from Standard Chartered simply confirmed a settlement of $340m had been reached.

"A formal agreement containing the detailed terms of the settlement is expected to be concluded shortly," it added.
Close eye

According to the terms of the settlement, Standard Chartered will pay a "civil penalty" of $340m to the DFS.

What is Standard Chartered accused of? The BBC's John Moylan explains

It will also install a monitor for at least two years who will evaluate money-laundering controls at the bank's New York branch and report directly to the regulator.

"In addition, DFS examiners shall be placed on site at the bank," the statement said.

Finally, the settlement provided for permanent staff at the bank's New York office to audit any money-laundering controls.

The BBC's New York business correspondent Mark Gregory said the $340m was a "hefty penalty, but nothing like as hefty as it could have been" if the two parties had not negotiated a settlement. The DFS had, for example, talked of revoking Standard Chartered's New York banking licence.
'Surprise'

Last week, New York's DFS alleged that the US unit of the bank had illegally hidden 60,000 transactions with Iran worth $250bn over nearly a decade.

It accused the London-based bank of being a "rogue institution" for breaking US sanctions against Iran.

Mr Sands said at the time that he was "completely surprised" by the ferocity of the DFS's attack, which he described as "disproportionate".

He did, however, admit that 300 transactions did break US sanctions.

"This was clearly wrong and we are sorry that they happened," Mr Sands said.

Jesus Wept

Luckycharms_74 wrote: »

Some business news regarding Standard Chartered

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-19253666

Hope we wade in with statements on it as they did.

amiable

grohlisagod wrote: »

Macca would be Steve McManaman would it not?

I sincerely doubt he's waste his time posting on a crap website while he's living it up on a yacht in the Med

prettyboy81

Rumour on the Worldwide Web, delay in Charlie Adam agreeing terms with Fulham is that he is looking for a clause to be inserted into his contract.

He must be allowed a minimum of 10 'Skysports Passes' during every game!

Sappy404

I wonder if the contract supposedly on the table for Agger has a large portion of his wages dependant on appearances.

With his injury record I wouldn't be surprised if FSG were playing hardball on a new contract. This time next year he'll be in the final year on his current deal, so then we'd really be like Arsenal. Now would be the time to sell if he wasn't willing to compromise on his wages.

amiable

barcastuff are saying Tello will not join Liverpool