First time tenant.

retroactive

A little about me first, to give you a context on which to base your opinions -

- 22
- Degree in Law and Economics
- Professional Degree from The Honourable Society of King's Inns
- Qualified Barrister
- Recently began a career in Banking and being remunerated the appropriate amount given my qualifications
- Intention to pursue further professional qualifications - Tax Consultancy or QFA
- Consistantly employed in services industry during Uni
- Single
- Enjoys a drink


So, money (Sooooon) and brains to burn.. but no references from previous landlords (Lived at home during my education).

From a cursory view of the threads here it appears that Landlord's engage in quite a stringent form of vetting (and understandably so - my specialisms are conveyancing and LL&T Law and it's clear whose side the law resides on).

-Is there anything I can do to assuage a landlord's apprehension of renting me an apartment?

-Is there anything I should know generally?

-Is there anything I should know about renting in Dublin City Centre or South Dublin Suburbs?

-Are any specific documents a prerequisite?

-Should I even mention my involvement is LL&T law (I'm an upstanding kid with a commercial outlook, I wont be pulling any 'legal stunts') ?

-Anything? Like I said, I'm a social creature and I enjoy a drink but I wont be throwing any wild parties. While I did live at home, opportunities to 'go maad' were not sparse and I believe I've gotten it out of my system.

Thank you for your time.

ARGINITE

Get a friend to "give you a reference", it's how I did it the first time in Ireland and the UK. But at a guess most landlord will be happy to take your money.

mikemac1

Is there such a thing as a trustworthy lawyer??

You are overthinking this a bit
Your new landlord or letting agency just want to meet you and once that is done want to know you are full time and working.
They'll call your HR department and just ask are you full-time, that's it


Landlords just love young professionals and they would be delighted to have you

In all my time renting I've never had to get a past landlord to give me a reference. All they want to know is if I'm working

Are you going to rent a one bed on a graduate salary?
Mighty expensive plus you have all the bills

As for areas, well I assume you're IFSC/city centre so northside I'd say Marino/Artane/Killester

West I'd like Stoneybatter and further out Chapelizod

I don't know Southside

Graces7

Definitley overthinking and far too.... obliging.. Tenancy is a simple business arrangement between two equals. Like buying a shirt. You pay, you get the flat. No need to list qualifications etc.

Have a look on daft ie and see what is on offer?

StillWaters

In the absence of a previous LL reference, I would seek a character reference, from someone 'of standing', do you have a Lecturer, Master etc whose phone number you could give?

retroactive

I've seen quite a few "Landlords wanted - houses needed" signs (indicative of the market, although i'm sceptical) and read the RS/RA threads and put the two with my experience of LL&T which would be litigation based and started imagining almost a interview scenario.

It might be as simple "I agree to this lease. I have the deposit and the first month's rent here. Can I have the keys?"

@mikemac1, one bedroom would be preferrable to living with strangers but I'm quite flexible. It's South side based - on the Green Line Luas. Although Stoneybatter did cross my mind - bit of exercise would do me good. What would an estimate of bills be like? I could guess at Wifi but electricity, water, waste etc .. I have no idea and frankly I would be embarrassed to ask in a non-anonymous situation.

I have a habit of over thinking but I have to disagree with @Graces7 - If it was a contractual situation, it would be simple. But it's a tenancy agreement between a landlord and a tenant. The bargaining power is uneven and competing interests are at play. A landlord may end up losing a years rent, thousands on legal fees AND STILL HAVE THE TENANT IN OCCUPATION just because a tenant threw two fingers up to a little thing covenant like paying rent. In a contractual situation, summary judgement for a liquidated amount is quick and prospective vendor can sell elsewhere.

Ideally, I want my landlord to be quite satisfied that everything is 'above board' and his apartment is in good hands. In return, I want to never have to see him or have any dealings bar lodging money in his account.

I can dissect a lease, draft the various documents and make the legal arguments. I can circumvent or enforce PRTB depending on the circumstances. Hell I can trace the title of the house back hundred of years ... but when it comes to knowing what to expect in regards to landlords themselves and various bills I'm clueless, but I wont be for long. Any more pearls of wisdom?

retroactive

StillWaters wrote: »

In the absence of a previous LL reference, I would seek a character reference, from someone 'of standing', do you have a Lecturer, Master etc whose phone number you could give?

Lecturer - yes. Previous employers - yes (Mainly letters "Good lad, always on time. Diligent student"). Would I like to go hasseling either anymore than I just have to get references for the new job - No.

mikemac1

You are making a simple task of leasing a flat sound very complicated
Typical lawyer


You are a working professional so what you read on the rent supplement threads has nothing to do with you.

As long as you hold that full time job you are a landlords ideal tenant

Go flat hunting, dress nice, have HR's phone number and tell the letting agent you are working and they will all want you

Everything can be haggled, don't accept the quoted rate, they expect you to haggle so use those barrister skills


One bed flat
ESB, 60-70 every two months. With standing charges it's hard to get below this.
UPC TV and broadband, maybe 80 for two months
Bin charges, your landlord pays that in a private estate, well actually you pay it indirectly in your rent
That's it realy

A landlord may end up losing a years rent, thousands on legal fees AND STILL HAVE THE TENANT IN OCCUPATION just because a tenant threw two fingers up to a little thing covenant like paying rent. In a contractual situation, summary judgement for a liquidated amount is quick and prospective vendor can sell elsewhere.

Ideally, I want my landlord to be quite satisfied that everything is 'above board' and his apartment is in good hands.

Have a drink and stop worrying over issues that are not your problem

gurramok

Just tell the LL you are a first time renter. You're 22 which is an obvious telltale sign of youth renting for the first time. If they ask, have your usual copy of current employment and passport ready at hand(not bank statement which is none of their business)' you'll be grand, no worries.

When you meet the letting agent(probably in the apt), read the lease agreement. Have your questions prepared beforehand. If everything is cool(leave out emotions when deciding), sign with your deposit(draft) and you can move in. Act courteous in the meeting as impressions do count, don't overdress suit style but be 'presentable'

Graces7

retroactive wrote: »

I've seen quite a few "Landlords wanted - houses needed" signs (indicative of the market, although i'm sceptical) and read the RS/RA threads and put the two with my experience of LL&T which would be litigation based and started imagining almost a interview scenario.

It might be as simple "I agree to this lease. I have the deposit and the first month's rent here. Can I have the keys?"

@mikemac1, one bedroom would be preferrable to living with strangers but I'm quite flexible. It's South side based - on the Green Line Luas. Although Stoneybatter did cross my mind - bit of exercise would do me good. What would an estimate of bills be like? I could guess at Wifi but electricity, water, waste etc .. I have no idea and frankly I would be embarrassed to ask in a non-anonymous situation.

I have a habit of over thinking but I have to disagree with @Graces7 - If it was a contractual situation, it would be simple. But it's a tenancy agreement between a landlord and a tenant. The bargaining power is uneven and competing interests are at play. A landlord may end up losing a years rent, thousands on legal fees AND STILL HAVE THE TENANT IN OCCUPATION just because a tenant threw two fingers up to a little thing covenant like paying rent. In a contractual situation, summary judgement for a liquidated amount is quick and prospective vendor can sell elsewhere.

Ideally, I want my landlord to be quite satisfied that everything is 'above board' and his apartment is in good hands. In return, I want to never have to see him or have any dealings bar lodging money in his account.

I can dissect a lease, draft the various documents and make the legal arguments. I can circumvent or enforce PRTB depending on the circumstances. Hell I can trace the title of the house back hundred of years ... but when it comes to knowing what to expect in regards to landlords themselves and various bills I'm clueless, but I wont be for long. Any more pearls of wisdom?

Most of this makes my head spin!

What I have bolded is what we all want, but read the Tenancy Act of 2004 at a very basic level..lls do have rights here...


Else you are making very heavy weather of this and that alone will make most lls nervous and put them off..

Milk & Honey

retroactive wrote: »

A little about me first, to give you a context on which to base your opinions -


- Professional Degree from The Honourable Society of King's Inns
- Qualified Barrister

Are these not the same thing?

StillWaters

Milk & Honey wrote: »

Are these not the same thing?

I don't think so, don't you have to 'devil' first? Might be totally wrong on that.

Milk & Honey

StillWaters wrote: »

I don't think so, don't you have to 'devil' first? Might be totally wrong on that.

A 'devil' is a qualified barrister with right of access to the courts and the right to take instructions from solicitors. completing devilling is a requirement for membership of the Law Library not a qualification in itself.

jdooley28

absolute overkill

John Mason

Holy God :eek:

mate, you are renting a house not entering into a contract to purchase his first born.

I have never been asked for a reference for rent ever...........over 10 years of renting.

here's what you do ..........

find somewhere you like the look of

Phone the agent LL and ask for a viewing

if you like it tell them and agree terms

end of ............