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Upcoming Irish property tax to cost 'on average' €1000 per house.(can you afford it?)

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    #332
    Ghandee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,653 ✭✭✭Ghandee


    alastair wrote: »
    I went back to paying council tax - and subsequently NI rates. That's because the poll tax was acknowledged as an actual unjust system of taxation.

    You refused to pay it, and it subsequently was deemed to be unjust. You still did not pay it before it was deemed as such.
    (I'm sure many in the UK disagreed with your view on that Alastair, but anyway)

    So, that gives me the right to refuse to pay any property tax until its deemed unfair/unjust?

    Have I got it right?


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    #333
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    pixiebean22 wrote: »
    How do you know we won't be asked to pay UK levels of taxation? I don't expect UK levels of service provision, however, I do object to people who use it as a prop for their argument that we should pay whatever tax the government throws at us.

    What suggests we will? Nothing so far.


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    #334
    Ghandee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,653 ✭✭✭Ghandee


    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    and publish the names of the worst offenders.

    Like Stubbs gazette?


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    #335
    kr7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 747 ✭✭✭kr7


    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    You'll be waiting for a while to see the whole taxation system rebuilt. In the meantime we can make it a bit more like other developed countries by adding property tax to the mix.

    Significant strides have been made by the Revenue Commissioners to recover unpaid tax from the likes of the holders of undeclared offshore accounts. They take in about €120 million quarterly from this exercise and publish the names of the worst offenders.

    It's a start I suppose.

    What really gets me though is the amount of people who don't have to pay for their property services.

    Even if they don't own the property the services are still provided for them.


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    #336
    golden lane
    Registered Users Posts: 1,364 ✭✭✭golden lane


    kr7 wrote: »
    It's a start I suppose.

    What really gets me though is the amount of people who don't have to pay for their property services.

    Even if they don't own the property the services are still provided for them.

    exactly why the tax is unfair...and should not be paid.....


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    #337
    daenerysstormborn3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,213 ✭✭✭daenerysstormborn3


    kr7 wrote: »
    What really gets me though is the amount of people who don't have to pay for their property services.

    And people who will be expected to pay for services that they don't use.


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    #338
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Ghandee wrote: »
    You refused to pay it, and it subsequently was deemed to be unjust. You still did not pay it before it was deemed as such.
    (ok sure many in the UK disagreed with your view ok that Alastair, but anyway)

    So, that gives me the right to refuse to pay any property tax until its deemed unfair/unjust?

    Have I got it right?

    One more time for posterity.

    I didn't pay to protest the unjust nature of the poll tax.
    I fully expected to have to pay up with late payment penalties.
    I didn't try and hide from the authorities, and certainly didn't entertain the notion that I'd never have to pay it.
    The state subsequently abandoned the poll tax and the local authorities didn't pursue poll tax debtors. It wasn't an issue for the local authority (who didn't want the thing in the first place) so I just reverted to paying council charges.


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    #339
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    pixiebean22 wrote: »
    And people who will be expected to pay for services that they don't use.

    That's the nature of a civilised society. Everyone contributes to local services btw - through general taxation.


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    #340
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    alastair wrote: »
    One more time for posterity.

    I didn't pay to protest the unjust nature of the poll tax.
    I fully expected to have to pay up with late payment penalties.
    I didn't try and hide from the authorities, and certainly didn't entertain the notion that I'd never have to pay it.
    The state subsequently abandoned the poll tax and the local authorities didn't pursue poll tax debtors. It wasn't an issue for the local authority (who didn't want the thing in the first place) so I just reverted to paying council charges.


    Yet you would deny your country men the same options........ for shame.


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    #341
    daenerysstormborn3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,213 ✭✭✭daenerysstormborn3


    alastair wrote: »
    That's the nature of a civilised society. Everyone contributes to local services btw - through general taxation.

    Everyone hasn't contributed to my septic tank and my water pump. If people choose to live in houses under the remit of a council then they should pay for these services themselves.


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    #342
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    mikom wrote: »
    Yet you would deny your country men the same options........ for shame.

    I''m denying nobody anything. But thanks for the laugh.


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    #343
    tayto lover
    Registered Users Posts: 51,926 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    alastair wrote: »
    Is that another principle from tayto? He's not paying any taxes then?

    That's your friend Phil. He has the same principles as you too. I wonder if they have a Poll Tax in Portugal?


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    #344
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    tayto lover wrote: »
    That's your friend Phil. He has the same principles as you too. I wonder if they have a Poll Tax in Portugal?

    Oh look - it's Mr. 'I don't like it'. A man of principle! :rolleyes:


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    #345
    tayto lover
    Registered Users Posts: 51,926 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    alastair wrote: »
    No need to explain - if people want to imply you're a sockpuppet - it's because they can't concede some of us believe in supporting services with taxes.

    Except Poll Taxes :D


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    #346
    kr7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 747 ✭✭✭kr7


    Interesting article here...

    http://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&ved=0CGYQFjAD&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.guardian.co.uk%2Fbusiness%2Fireland-business-blog-with-lisa-ocarroll%2F2011%2Fjul%2F27%2Fproperty-tax-ireland-poll-tax&ei=V8wNUI6SL4KHhQeQqKX9CQ&usg=AFQjCNGCoSiteXbjGqrFHwP_Qk-14np7yw&sig2=bKiKbVACeVsxBYJBgPGFnQ


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    #347
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    alastair wrote: »
    thanks for the laugh.

    No charge.


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    #348
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    tayto lover wrote: »
    Except Poll Taxes :D

    Correct. At least I could determine the nature of the injustices associated with the poll tax.


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    #349
    kr7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 747 ✭✭✭kr7


    alastair wrote: »
    That's the nature of a civilised society. Everyone contributes to local services btw - through general taxation.

    Some pay more times than others though...


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    #350
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    pixiebean22 wrote: »
    Everyone hasn't contributed to my septic tank and my water pump. If people choose to live in houses under the remit of a council then they should pay for these services themselves.

    Your private septic tank and pump? Why no! They haven't.


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    #351
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    alastair wrote: »

    I didn't pay to protest the unjust nature of the poll tax.
    alastair wrote: »
    Oh look - it's Mr. 'I don't like it'. A man of principle! :rolleyes:

    Making it up as you go along.


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    #352
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    kr7 wrote: »
    Some pay more times than others though...

    I know - but the car is so handy.


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    #353
    kr7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 747 ✭✭✭kr7


    tayto lover wrote: »
    That's your friend Phil. He has the same principles as you too. I wonder if they have a Poll Tax in Portugal?

    Your turn tonight tayto....


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    #354
    daenerysstormborn3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,213 ✭✭✭daenerysstormborn3


    alastair wrote: »
    Your private septic tank and pump? Why no! They haven't.

    Exactly. So why should I have to pay for their water and sewage services?


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    #355
    tayto lover
    Registered Users Posts: 51,926 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    alastair wrote: »
    It's not ground rent - it's property tax. And yes - bad ****e happens if you don't pay your taxes.

    You might even have to flee England.


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    #356
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    mikom wrote: »
    Making it up as you go along.

    Not really - I'm very secure in my position - and like to defer to reality in formulating it. Unlike some.


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    #357
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    alastair wrote: »
    Not really - I'm very secure in my position - and like to defer to reality in formulating it. Unlike some.

    Your handbook tell you that?


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    #358
    kr7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 747 ✭✭✭kr7


    alastair wrote: »
    I know - but the car is so handy.

    Jesus, I'd pay the tax on that noddy car you have just to see you driving around in it:D


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    #359
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    pixiebean22 wrote: »
    Exactly. So why should I have to pay for their water and sewage services?

    Why should you have to help pay for poor sod's cancer treatment?


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    #360
    daenerysstormborn3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,213 ✭✭✭daenerysstormborn3


    alastair wrote: »
    Why should you have to help pay for poor sod's cancer treatment?

    Yeah that's exactly what I said.


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    #361
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    pixiebean22 wrote: »
    Yeah that's exactly what I said.

    Same principle applies.


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