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Upcoming Irish property tax to cost 'on average' €1000 per house.(can you afford it?)

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    #362
    kr7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 747 ✭✭✭kr7


    alastair wrote: »
    Why should you have to help pay for poor sod's cancer treatment?

    Take another pill, the senseless BS is starting again....


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    #363
    eth0
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,635 ✭✭✭eth0


    the government must reckon this local services bolloxology is the only thing they can reasonably use to try and make the tax popular/accepted

    Its like a gambling man with a severe gambling addiction spending all the money he earns on gambling, but trying to convince you the 50e he wants from you is the particular 50e he needs to put petrol in his car to drive to work, and to his dieing granny to look after her.


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    #364
    daenerysstormborn3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,213 ✭✭✭daenerysstormborn3


    alastair wrote: »
    Same principle applies.

    Not really, no.

    I actually don't even understand what you mean about paying for someone else's hospital care :confused: After my recent hospitalisation I will have to ensure those bills are covered myself, nobody else is going to pay them for me.


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    #365
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    eth0 wrote: »
    the government must reckon this local services bolloxology is the only thing they can reasonably use to try and make the tax popular/accepted

    Its like a gambling man with a severe gambling addiction spending all the money he earns on gambling, but trying to convince you the 50e he wants from you is the particular 50e he needs to put petrol in his car to drive to work, and to his dieing granny to look after her.

    It's just like that - except in every detail.

    Oh wait. It's not.


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    #366
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    kr7 wrote: »
    Take another pill, the senseless BS is starting again....

    I prefer the term jazz talk.
    **** away at a saxophone creating spirals in the air.


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    #367
    tayto lover
    Registered Users Posts: 51,926 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    alastair wrote: »
    Correct. At least I could determine the nature of the injustices associated with the poll tax.

    That's why you skipped then :D


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    #368
    kr7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 747 ✭✭✭kr7


    Alastair's getting tired now lads, not making any sense at all.

    He almost engaged.


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    #369
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    pixiebean22 wrote: »
    Not really, no.

    I actually don't even understand what you mean about paying for someone else's hospital care :confused: After my recent hospitalisation I will have to ensure those bills are covered myself, nobody else is going to pay them for me.

    You might look again at the amount taxation subsidies the health system here. You'll find that a lot of people paid for your treatment. Why should I have contributed my taxes to your treatment?


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    #370
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    tayto lover wrote: »
    That's why you skipped then :D

    Nah - they're out there for you to find if you are that interested. What's good for the goose...


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    #371
    eth0
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,635 ✭✭✭eth0


    alastair wrote: »
    It's just like that - except in every detail.

    Oh wait. It's not.

    They're not going to tell us its for the next round of bank recapitalisation anyway. Even if thats what it will be going to.

    The local services angle is pure propaganda and nothing else.


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    #372
    tayto lover
    Registered Users Posts: 51,926 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    kr7 wrote: »
    Jesus, I'd pay the tax on that noddy car you have just to see you driving around in it:D

    That's Capt. Pugwash's car with the little portholes :D


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    #373
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    eth0 wrote: »
    The local services angle is pure propaganda and nothing else.

    'Pure propaganda' nailed down in black and white law, and overlooked by all the local authorities, eh?


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    #374
    kr7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 747 ✭✭✭kr7


    tayto lover wrote: »
    That's Capt. Pugwash's car with the little portholes :D

    I'd say it's quiet on the HHC thread tonight.


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    #375
    bgrizzley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,641 ✭✭✭bgrizzley


    alastair wrote: »
    You might look again at the amount taxation subsidies the health system here. You'll find that a lot of people paid for your treatment. Why should I have contributed my taxes to your treatment?

    look on the bright side Alastair. at least your HHC isnt going to be providing any services for the non payers,.
    hell, it wont even be providing services for you.....
    :)


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    #376
    kr7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 747 ✭✭✭kr7


    Delirium is setting in now...


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    #377
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    alastair wrote: »
    You might look again at the amount taxation subsidies the health system here. You'll find that a lot of people paid for your treatment. Why should I have contributed my taxes to your treatment?

    Hows that Universal Social Charge going in the UK Al?
    alastair wrote: »
    'Pure propaganda' nailed down in black and white law, and overlooked by all the local authorities, eh?

    The poll tax was the law as well.


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    #378
    daenerysstormborn3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,213 ✭✭✭daenerysstormborn3


    alastair wrote: »
    You might look again at the amount taxation subsidies the health system here. You'll find that a lot of people paid for your treatment. Why should I have contributed my taxes to your treatment?

    This argument has nothing to do with what I originally said. Why should people pay for services they don't use? Why should I pay for a public sewage and water system that I don't use? Surely people who don't use those systems and instead have paid for and provided their own should have to pay less if in fact these systems do come under the umbrella of this new property tax.


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    #379
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    mikom wrote: »
    The poll tax was the law as well.

    Yes it was - but you won't find me claiming it wasn't providing revenue to the local authority. I opposed it for what it was - not for a fiction.


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    #380
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    pixiebean22 wrote: »
    This argument has nothing to do with what I originally said. Why should people pay for services they don't use? Why should I pay for a public sewage and water system that I don't use? Surely people who don't use those systems and instead have paid for and provided their own should have to pay less if in fact these systems do come under the umbrella of this new property tax.

    I haven't needed hospital treatment for years - why should I have to pay for others use of those hospitals year after year? Where's my discount?!


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    #381
    tayto lover
    Registered Users Posts: 51,926 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    alastair wrote: »
    Yes it was - but you won't find me claiming it wasn't providing revenue to the local authority. I opposed it for what it was - not for a fiction.

    You opposed it for the same reasons you wouldn't make your Boatmobile roadworthy. To save money, your principle. You're codding nobody.


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    #382
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    tayto lover wrote: »
    You opposed it for the same reasons you wouldn't make your Boatmobile roadworthy. To save money, your principle. You're codding nobody.

    It wouldn't have cost me any more than the council tax. Sorry.


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    #383
    woodoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,219 ✭✭✭woodoo


    alastair wrote: »
    I haven't needed hospital treatment for years - why should I have to pay for others use of those hospitals year after year? Where's my discount?!

    Don't get too ahead of yourself. You never know when your health may fail.


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    #384
    daenerysstormborn3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,213 ✭✭✭daenerysstormborn3


    alastair wrote: »
    I haven't needed hospital treatment for years - why should I have to pay for others use of those hospitals year after year? Where's my discount?!

    +1 ignore list.


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    #385
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    woodoo wrote: »
    Don't get too ahead of yourself. You never know when your health may fail.

    I'm being facetious. I understand that paying for social services you might not make use of is not a bad thing.


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    #386
    IvySlayer
    Registered Users Posts: 17,187 ✭✭✭✭IvySlayer


    Do people still understand shock tactics?

    They'll release some outrageous figure so a charge of 20 or 40 euro a year will seem reasonable.


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    #387
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    alastair wrote: »
    Yes it was - but you won't find me claiming it wasn't providing revenue to the local authority. I opposed it for what it was - not for a fiction.

    That the household charge is funding local authorities is a fiction...... a fiction created by the diverting of funds.
    alastair wrote: »
    I haven't needed hospital treatment for years - why should I have to pay for others use of those hospitals year after year? Where's my discount?!

    You got your five fingered discount in the UK.
    Is that not enough for you?


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    #388
    darkhorse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,274 ✭✭✭darkhorse


    kr7 wrote: »
    I'd say it's quiet on the HHC thread tonight.

    Funny you should that. I was thinking to myself how quiet it was over there without kr7 and al.


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    #389
    Cookie_Monster
    Registered Users Posts: 24,506 ✭✭✭✭Cookie_Monster


    mishkalucy wrote: »
    Hence the reason you would have no problem paying it, hypothetically, of course:pac:

    I pay rates on my site over here and will end up paying about 2,500 NZD a year once the house is built


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    #390
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    mikom wrote: »
    That the household charge is funding local authorities is a fiction...... a fiction created by the diverting of funds.

    Sorry - try again. New taxation - solely directed towards local authority finding - no real ambiguity about what the HHC funds.


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    #391
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    alastair wrote: »
    Sorry - try again. New taxation - solely directed towards local authority finding

    I would have thought they would have known where the local authorities were by now.
    I know the introduction of the charge has been a shambles, but I didn't know things were that bad.


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