Upcoming Irish property tax to cost 'on average' €1000 per house.(can you afford it?)

alastair

mikom wrote: »

I would have thought they would have konwn where the local authorities were by now.

Hoist and petard come to mind here.

mikom

alastair wrote: »

Hoist and petard come to mind here.

What are you on about?

Fupping Grasshole

So anyone know whether this charge or "future" tax will be for a house, property, or land?

And for children that inherit a house, if they go to demolish and build a new one will any outstanding charges they may have inherited too be wiped clean since the old house is gone? if it is called a household charge then that's what it would mean to me, a property tax might be more tricky if that implies land too.

Some people that inherit a 1950's dump might not be so keen on paying thousands in outstanding charges if bulldozing the sh*t out of it is a better option.

Or are they going to integrate the system so you can't apply for planning or carry out any works on a dwelling without having paid the tax or have they thought about this at all. They could do it so that people won't be able to add insulation to a house or carry out any other works to make it liveable, torturing people with cold weather and what not might be a good incentive to make them pay.

Or would making it so you can't inherit a house unless you pay outstanding charges be a better option. In one scenario it might be good idea if an 18 year old was forced to pay €40,000 to stay in his home if both parents died or be made homeless by the government.

alastair

Fupping Grasshole wrote: »

So anyone know whether this charge or "future" tax will be for a house, property, or land?

It's a residential property tax - only habitable residential properties will be liable.

Fupping Grasshole

alastair wrote: »

It's a residential property tax - only habitable residential properties will be liable.

Who's to deem what is or is not habitable? and could that lead to people letting their properties go into a state of disrepair to avoid tax and to the detriment of society itself.

Ghandee

Here's great breakdown of what one man pays currently on taxes and other charges. (for services)

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=78189274&postcount=450

Yet we're not paying enough?

I blame the accountants who lost the few billion down the back of the couch earlier.
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/finance/2011/1102/1224306911028.html

flutered

what this tax is for, is to fund the large glasss monstrositys that each and every council built a few of, the repayments on these must be unreal, would it not have made more sense to fit up many of the large warehouses that mushorooned up around the country.

kr7

flutered wrote: »

what this tax is for, is to fund the large glasss monstrositys that each and every council built a few of, the repayments on these must be unreal, would it not have made more sense to fit up many of the large warehouses that mushorooned up around the country.

Yea, you should see the one's they have in Fingal.
One in Blanchardstown and one in Swords.

Glass fronted cathedrals to house prima-donna's ego's.

alastair

Fupping Grasshole wrote: »

Who's to deem what is or is not habitable? and could that lead to people letting their properties go into a state of disrepair to avoid tax and to the detriment of society itself.

Dail question on same:

Under the Act “residential property” is defined as a “...building that is situated in the State and that is occupied, or suitable for occupation, as a separate dwelling...”.


There are a number of indicators as to what makes a property suitable for occupation for the purposes of determining a liability to the household charge. The indicators include the structure of the property, whether or not it has a roof, whether or not it is so affected by dampness as to render it unsuitable for habitation, and whether or not it has sanitary facilities, including a water closet and water supply. A property that is not suitable for occupation should not be regarded as a residential property within the meaning of the Act.

http://debates.oireachtas.ie/dail/2012/03/13/00238.asp

Fupping Grasshole

alastair wrote: »

Dail question on same:



http://debates.oireachtas.ie/dail/2012/03/13/00238.asp

Cool, so all I have to do is get rid of the toilet? Poop in the field, great for me spuds :pac:
Get rid of the septic tank too and kill two birds with one stone.

golden lane

Fupping Grasshole wrote: »

Cool, so all I have to do is get rid of the toilet? Poop in the field, great for me spuds :pac:
Get rid of the septic tank too and kill two birds with one stone.

all you have to do is.....get enough of people to not pay the tax, it then becomes unworkable....

of course they have to get the money somewhere.....then they will realise that it is a grossly unfair tax....and come up with a fairer means to fill up their coffers........simple.

dxhound2005

Fupping Grasshole wrote: »

So anyone know whether this charge or "future" tax will be for a house, property, or land?

And for children that inherit a house, if they go to demolish and build a new one will any outstanding charges they may have inherited too be wiped clean since the old house is gone? if it is called a household charge then that's what it would mean to me, a property tax might be more tricky if that implies land too.

Some people that inherit a 1950's dump might not be so keen on paying thousands in outstanding charges if bulldozing the sh*t out of it is a better option.

Or are they going to integrate the system so you can't apply for planning or carry out any works on a dwelling without having paid the tax or have they thought about this at all. They could do it so that people won't be able to add insulation to a house or carry out any other works to make it liveable, torturing people with cold weather and what not might be a good incentive to make them pay.

Or would making it so you can't inherit a house unless you pay outstanding charges be a better option. In one scenario it might be good idea if an 18 year old was forced to pay €40,000 to stay in his home if both parents died or be made homeless by the government.

At the moment if you inherited a house with the Household Charge outstanding it would cost you €114 plus any extra legal fees associated in organising it's discharge. If it is a second home the additional amount would be about €2600 if the NPPR had never been paid (rising by €80 per month at present). Who knows what it will be in future. A much bigger consideration now and in the future would be Inheritance Tax, which could amount to many thousands depending on the value of the property.

eth0

Fupping Grasshole wrote: »

In one scenario it might be good idea if an 18 year old was forced to pay €40,000 to stay in his home if both parents died or be made homeless by the government.

When would it be good to make a 18 year old pay that amount of money and what are they going to pay it with?

bgrizzley

eth0 wrote: »

When would it be good to make a 18 year old pay that amount of money and what are they going to pay it with?

and when he cant pay, maybe they will lock him up with hardened criminals for someone elses failure to pay an unfair immoral tax.
that sounds fair, Phil .

Crann na Beatha

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alastair

bgrizzley wrote: »

and when he cant pay, maybe they will lock him up with hardened criminals for someone elses failure to pay an unfair immoral tax.
that sounds fair, Phil .

Given that it'll take more than 20 years to accumulate those sort of tax debts, I don't think this is top of the list of things to worry about. You don't inherit household property debts in any case - the estate does - and the 18 year old wouldn't actually inherit the estate until the estate's debts were cleared. Not seeing how this poor sap is ending up in prison.

eth0

alastair wrote: »

Given that it'll take more than 20 years to accumulate those sort of tax debts, I don't think this is top of the list of things to worry about. You don't inherit household property debts in any case - the estate does - and the 18 year old wouldn't actually inherit the estate until the estate's debts were cleared. Not seeing how this poor sap is ending up in prison.

no but you could accumulate it instantly in the form of inheritance tax, not sure how it works in this country but in other supposedly civilised countries in Europe your parents could die and you be left with a massive bill from the government as well to keep the house. But feck it on paper you look like a rich man with over 100k to your name, so I suppose those damn scroungin' orphans can well afford to cough up a bit of tax

Ghandee

The hypocrisy is still rife in this country.

Further proof of how our money is to be wasted....

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2012/0724/1224320710038.html

kr7

Anyone see the other thread, someone said the government announced that revenue were going to try and collect this immoral charge/tax.

Nothing on the news about it though, neither tv3 or RTE.

Another bull****e story by the pro-taxers?

dv had an orgasm at the thoughts of it:D

daenerysstormborn3

eth0 wrote: »

no but you could accumulate it instantly in the form of inheritance tax, not sure how it works in this country but in other supposedly civilised countries in Europe your parents could die and you be left with a massive bill from the government as well to keep the house. But feck it on paper you look like a rich man with over 100k to your name, so I suppose those damn scroungin' orphans can well afford to cough up a bit of tax

In Ireland if you don't qualify for agricultural relief (you must be able to prove that >80% of the assets you stand to inherit fall under agriculture, i.e. farmhouse, farm land, farm machinery etc.) your inheritance is subject to tax at 30% as of 7th December 2011 and everything is taxed as one, you don't pay 30% on whatever cash assets you might inherit and 30% on whatever other assets, it's 30% on everything so in a lot of cases someone could end up paying a lot more tax than there is money to cover it.

kr7 wrote: »

Anyone see the other thread, someone said the government announced that revenue were going to try and collect this immoral charge/tax.

Nothing on the news about it though, neither tv3 or RTE.

Another bull****e story by the pro-taxers?

dv had an orgasm at the thoughts of it:D

Article in the indo about it.

kr7

pixiebean22 wrote: »

In Ireland if you don't qualify for agricultural relief (you must be able to prove that >80% of the assets you stand to inherit fall under agriculture, i.e. farmhouse, farm land, farm machinery etc.) your inheritance is subject to tax at 30% as of 7th December 2011 and everything is taxed as one, you don't pay 30% on whatever cash assets you might inherit and 30% on whatever other assets, it's 30% on everything so in a lot of cases someone could end up paying a lot more tax than there is money to cover it.



Article in the indo about it.

Must be right so:D:D:D

dvpower

kr7 wrote: »

Must be right so:D:D:D

There was a cabinet decision today.
Its definitely happening.

bgrizzley

alastair wrote: »

Given that it'll take more than 20 years to accumulate those sort of tax debts, I don't think this is top of the list of things to worry about. You don't inherit household property debts in any case - the estate does - and the 18 year old wouldn't actually inherit the estate until the estate's debts were cleared. Not seeing how this poor sap is ending up in prison.

if thats the case and there is no money in the estate, i wonder what they would do. sell the house perhaps to clear the tax. so now the kid is homeless. just gets better. at least in jail he had three hots and a cot......:mad:

Ghandee

dvpower wrote: »

There was a cabinet decision today.
Its definitely happening.

Yeah, but what they haven't said is whether or not it will be deducted from source though.

I predict serious serious trouble if they attempt that.

kr7

dvpower wrote: »

There was a cabinet decision today.
Its definitely happening.

There's always ways and means.......

kr7

dvpower wrote: »

There was a cabinet decision today.
Its definitely happening.

They'd be better off getting howlin to wind his neck in.

kr7

Someone here was right yesterday, a few arrests in the filthy anglo saga to try and pass this one under the radar.

Transparency in government? Yea, we can see right through them!

Bishop_Donal

kr7 wrote: »

Someone here was right yesterday, a few arrests in the filthy anglo saga to try and pass this one under the radar.

Transparency in government? Yea, we can see right through them!

Bullsh1t. The only reason the Anglo arrests happened yesterday is because the ODCE were going in front of Peter Kelly again this morning and if they cudn't show they were making some progress he'd have publicly knocked the bollix out of them.

Budgetary matters will come to public attention as soon as the Dail returns. the current figures of 700/1,000 are only kites to prep the public for a rough budget (much the same as means testing childrens allownace for people who earn 100k plus). Then when the actual figure this year is a mere Euro300 people won't feel so bad (but inevitably the figure will rightly rise to 700 to 1,000).

dvpower

kr7 wrote: »

Someone here was right yesterday, a few arrests in the filthy anglo saga to try and pass this one under the radar.

Transparency in government? Yea, we can see right through them!

Under the radar? It was a completely open and widely reported cabinet decision and it was flagged in advance that this was up for decision.

Just 'cos your radar isn't working.

kr7

dvpower wrote: »

Under the radar? It was a completely open and widely reported cabinet decision and it was flagged in advance that this was up for decision.

Just 'cos your radar isn't working.

Unlike you dv, I don't sit by the telly/radio or whatever waiting with glee for more developments in trying to enforce this bull****e tax.

I've better things to be doing with my time.