Upcoming Irish property tax to cost 'on average' €1000 per house.(can you afford it?)

darkhorse

dvpower wrote: »

Did Deputy Keaveney say what he would use for Local Authority funding next year in its place? The HHC again?

My point about a silly, arrogant question. Just read the article.

alastair

dvpower wrote: »

If Tesco increase the price of a litre of milk, will we be getting someone whinging about it here?

I heard James Reilly gets specially discounted milk, on account of his army of civil servant minions that serve him in his mansion. And Big Phil refuses to pay for Portugese milk that's gone sour, so why should we pay?

Don't register, don't pay!

mikom

alastair wrote: »

Don't register, don't pay!

Qft.

Ghandee

alastair wrote: »

Yes - it's an equal kick for anyone using electricity.

On a thread about a property tax, I would have presumed you would have realised Al, that when I said, kick to home owners, even you would have known that I meant this was an extra charge with the property tax.

You seem to cruise, thread to thread, looking to stir it up on this site.

alastair

Ghandee wrote: »

On a thread about a property tax, I would have presumed you would have realised Al, that when I said, kick to home owners, even you would have known that I meant this was an extra charge with the property tax.

Or - it's simply another expense applicable to all - like the man asked:

Is this thread to become a dumping ground for every little whinge at the present Government and every single price rise?

Ghandee

alastair wrote: »

Or - it's simply another expense applicable to all - like the man asked:

Unlike the Property tax?

Which is only applicable to home owners?

alastair

Ghandee wrote: »

Unlike the Property tax?

Which is only applicable to home owners?

Well spotted.

Monty Burnz

Ghandee wrote: »

Unlike the Property tax?

Which is only applicable to home owners?

Wouldn't it be more accurate to say it is applicable to property owners? 'Home' is an emotive term. Renters have 'homes' too, even if they are treated with contempt by the property-owning public.

Ghandee

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Wouldn't it be more accurate to say it is applicable to property owners? 'Home' is an emotive term. Renters have 'homes' too, even if they are treated with contempt by the property-owning public.

Ah you see Monty, this is where a lof of us differ.

Some on here, see the family home as an asset, something worth money, to be sold on or traded.

Others see the family home, as just that, a home to live in, possibly raise a family in, maybe even die in.


A house is different than a home.

alastair

Ghandee wrote: »

Ah you see Monty, this is where a lof of us differ.

Some on here, see the family home as an asset, something worth money, to be sold on or traded.

Others see the family home, as just that, a home to live in, possibly raise a family in, maybe even die in.


A house is different than a home.

It's applicable to all residential properties - regardless of whether it's your home or not. And all residential properties are assets - whether you intend selling or not.

Monty Burnz

Ghandee wrote: »

Ah you see Monty, this is where a lof of us differ.

Some on here, see the family home as an asset, something worth money, to be sold on or traded.

Others see the family home, as just that, a home to live in, possibly raise a family in, maybe even die in.


A house is different than a home.

Not really. One is just a more emotive term than the other. A house is a house. A home is where you live. This can be in a house you own, a rented apartment, an igloo, or up a tree.

You'll hear Joe Higgins and his ilk bleating about 'home owners' as if they are somehow a more put-upon class than home renters.

Big Bad Phil

To all of you saying you won,t pay you will pay. it will be deducted at source from your wages or social welfare. anyone self employed who won,t pay will not receive a tax a clerance cert unless they pay best to call it quits lads you won,t beat us.

Dub XV

Big Bad Phil wrote: »

To all of you saying you won,t pay you will pay. it will be deducted at source from your wages or social welfare. anyone self employed who won,t pay will not receive a tax a clerance cert unless they pay best to call it quits lads you won,t beat us.

Well said Phil.

They should tax people who use commas instead of apostrophes also

tayto lover

alastair wrote: »

I heard James Reilly gets specially discounted milk, on account of his army of civil servant minions that serve him in his mansion. And Big Phil refuses to pay for Portugese milk that's gone sour, so why should we pay?

Don't register, don't pay!

Well Fidelma got a huge garage built for her by "mistake" ha ha ha.
She "forgot" to pay her car tax and had it seized Ha ha ha.
She forgot to buy a train ticket but "thought" she could do it on the train ha ha ha.
She and her husband refused to pay the agreed price to another builder for the giant Jacuzzi but then paid "under the counter" in black market fashion ha ha ha.
So much for tax regulations among the FG elite. Bzzzt

tayto lover

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Not really. One is just a more emotive term than the other. A house is a house. A home is where you live. This can be in a house you own, a rented apartment, an igloo, or up a tree.

You'll hear Joe Higgins and his ilk bleating about 'home owners' as if they are somehow a more put-upon class than home renters.

"It is morally wrong, unjust and unfair to tax a person's home" - Enda Kenny, @EndaKennyTD

Monty Burnz

tayto lover wrote: »

"It is morally wrong, unjust and unfair to tax a person's home" - Enda Kenny, @EndaKennyTD

Enda talking nonsense. Nothing new there. I guess they finally learned about populism from Fianna Failure and the socialists.

later12

I live on the edge of a wood & my house looks pretty derelict.

If we turn off all the lights & padlock the gate, they'll never know we're here.

:cool:

But really, we pay for our own road, our own water, we paid for the ESB to send out their electricity poles, we paid for each and every telephone pole that was erected to provide us with services, we pay for our own sewage and maintenance, our gates and our fences. We don't even call the fire brigade for chimney fires, because they're too damn expensive.

I wouldn't go to jail to avoid paying it, but I do have a problem with this tax for homeowners who do not avail of (indeed, cannot avail of) council services.

alastair

tayto lover wrote: »

Well Fidelma got a huge garage built for her by "mistake" ha ha ha.
She "forgot" to pay her car tax and had it seized Ha ha ha.
She forgot to buy a train ticket but "thought" she could do it on the train ha ha ha.
She and her husband refused to pay the agreed price to another builder for the giant Jacuzzi but then paid "under the counter" in black market fashion ha ha ha.
So much for tax regulations among the FG elite. Bzzzt

Has any of this got anything to do with property tax? Or is the list of fubars the good senator landed herself in supposed to indicate the sort of insidious inside support that you (wrongly) reckoned Reilly was getting? Because it's not so impressive to date - what with the fines, seizures, and court findings.

Worst... nepotism... ever.

gerryo777

donalg1 wrote: »

Because they have to directly pay it this time, and because they can avoid paying it without fear of any real reprecussions.

Any ideas yet donal?
We're still waiting.

dvpower

later12 wrote: »

But really, we pay for our own road, our own water, we paid for the ESB to send out their electricity poles, we paid for each and every telephone pole that was erected to provide us with services, we pay for our own sewage and maintenance, our gates and our fences. We don't even call the fire brigade for chimney fires, because they're too damn expensive.

I'm the same with my Income Tax.
I pay a small fortune in Income Tax and I rarely if ever use the major services that it goes to provide, like health and social security.

It just seems so unfair, no?.

alastair

later12 wrote: »

I live on the edge of a wood & my house looks pretty derelict.

If we turn off all the lights & padlock the gate, they'll never know we're here.

:cool:

But really, we pay for our own road, our own water, we paid for the ESB to send out their electricity poles, we paid for each and every telephone pole that was erected to provide us with services, we pay for our own sewage and maintenance, our gates and our fences. We don't even call the fire brigade for chimney fires, because they're too damn expensive.

I wouldn't go to jail to avoid paying it, but I do have a problem with this tax for homeowners who do not avail of (indeed, cannot avail of) council services.

Care to tell us what local authority you live in? - their website will enlighten you as to services that they provide - and which you make use of. Shockingly you'll find that there are precious few people who are flexible enough to take advantage of all services provided. That's presumably not been an issue for you up 'til now - given that you've always paid your taxes?

gerryo777

Ghandee wrote: »

On a thread about a property tax, I would have presumed you would have realised Al, that when I said, kick to home owners, even you would have known that I meant this was an extra charge with the property tax.

You seem to cruise, thread to thread, looking to stir it up on this site.

All day and night long Ghandee.

Never seen one constructive post from comical ali, unless it was about finding ways to circumvent the VRT system so he wouldn't have to have his car tested as often as it should be.

alastair

gerryo777 wrote: »

All day and night long Ghandee.

Never seen one constructive post from comical ali, unless it was about finding ways to circumvent the VRT system so he wouldn't have to have his car tested as often as it should be.

Heh - the ignorance regarding the VRT system is well into silly there - but thanks for trying!

later12

dvpower wrote: »

I'm the same with my Income Tax.
I pay a small fortune in Income Tax and I rarely if ever use the major services that it goes to provide, like health and social security.

I think you'll find the point was that many rural people have no such option.

We'd gladly pay rates if the council would maintain the road to the house, and provide us with their water supply, sewage supply, and other services. We'd easily save money not having to pay for these things ourselves. Fantastic! Where do I sign?

The thing is, we're happy to live in the countryside and run a business here and pay our own way. But I don't think it's too much to expect households not to pay if they cannot avail of the services these rates set out to cover.

gerryo777

alastair wrote: »

Heh - the ignorance regarding the VRT system is well into silly there - but thanks for trying!

It wasn't me looking for ways of having my car registered in such a way that it wouldn't be tested as often as required.
Maybe you and your classic car mates, who we subsidise, know how to work the system better than the rest of us.

Still on about the motor tax argument are you after the answer you gave last night?
You can't have it both ways, a car renter pays car tax every time he rents a car.
You admitted it yourself, you know it's true but you still keep it up..LOL.

tayto lover

Gas and electricity about to rise too by all accounts. The private bin company wrote to me to tell me that they would only be collecting fortnightly because of the increase in fuel prices. I think i will cancel my account and dispose of my own rubbish from now on.
The Govt should be telling the Gas and ESB to keep prices as they are. That's if they really care anything of the people they sought to represent.

alastair

gerryo777 wrote: »

It wasn't me looking for ways of having my car registered in such a way that it wouldn't be tested as often as required.

Hmm, It wasn't me either. As I say - the ignorance is high on the silliness meter.

gerryo777 wrote: »

Maybe you and your classic car mates, who we subsidise, know how to work the system better than the rest of us.

Now - how would you imagine that 'subsidy' actually operates?

gerryo777 wrote: »

Still on about the motor tax argument are you after the answer you gave last night?
You can't have it both ways, a car renter pays car tax every time he rents a car.
You admitted it yourself, you know it's true but you still keep it up..LOL.

No they do not. Sorry to burst your bubble.

dvpower

later12 wrote: »

I think you'll find the point was that many rural people have no such option.

We'd gladly pay rates if the council would maintain the road to the house, and provide us with their water supply, sewage supply, and other services. We'd easily save money not having to pay for these things ourselves. Fantastic! Where do I sign?

The thing is, we're happy to live in the countryside and run a business here and pay our own way. But I don't think it's too much to expect households not to pay if they cannot avail of the services these rates set out to pay.

I'm not sure what system they could come up with that would allow the rate of property tax to be tied to lower usage; it would seem to me to be impossible to implement. I guess you could have a lower rate for rural dwellers (which will likely be the case anyway, as its going to be valuation based), but that would be a very blunt instrument.

In any case, even before the property tax, you were paying for local services via other forms of taxation, so even if they decided to fund the shortfall by, say, a rise in Income Tax, you'll end up paying it anyway.
The property tax doesn't introduce any substantial additional inequity.

alastair

dvpower wrote: »

I'm not sure what system they could come up with that would allow the rate of property tax to be tied to lower usage; it would seem to me to be impossible to implement. I guess you could have a lower rate for rural dwellers (which will likely be the case anyway, as its going to be valuation based), but that would be a very blunt instrument.

In any case, even before the property tax, you were paying for local services via other forms of taxation, so even if they decided to fund the shortfall by, say, a rise in Income Tax, you'll end up paying it anyway.
The property tax doesn't introduce any substantial additional inequity.

There's also the matter of the greater expense of providing local authority services to low population areas - there's already a urban to rural tax subsidy in effect, so that reality needs to be factored into the equation.

dvpower

alastair wrote: »

There's also the matter of the greater expense of providing local authority services to low population areas - there's already a urban to rural tax subsidy in effect, so that reality needs to be factored into the equation.

That's certainly true, but I haven't seen any actual figures that break it down between urban, suburban and rural.