Upcoming Irish property tax to cost 'on average' €1000 per house.(can you afford it?)

kr7

alastair wrote: »

I'd advocate public opposition to the introduction of a poll tax here too. But you know that already - far better to pretend that all taxes are equal - while simultaneously disputing a singular one amongst many. :rolleyes:

Isn't that what you did?

Don't deny your 'tax evader' past.

alastair

kr7 wrote: »

Ali, the 'perfectly workable charge structure' you speak of in the UK.

Council Charge = perfectly just
Residential Rates = perfectly just
Property tax = perfectly just

alastair

kr7 wrote: »

Isn't that what you did?

Don't deny your 'tax evader' past.

Eh? I'm not denying anything - that's your particular game.

kr7

alastair wrote: »

Council Charge = perfectly just
Residential Rates = perfectly just
Property tax = perfectly just

Now answer the other part of that post.

Did you own the property you lived in while you were in the UK?

Dub XV

alastair wrote: »

The delusion is to continually deny that public sector salaries haven't been cut - in the face of clear evidence to the contrary.

The fact remains that public service wage bill is far too high and needs to be reduced.

You can continue your waffling now.

darkhorse

alastair wrote: »

Council Charge = perfectly just
Residential Rates = perfectly just
Property tax = perfectly just

Morally unjust.

alastair

kr7 wrote: »

Now answer the other part of that post.

Did you own the property you lived in while you were in the UK?

That makes no odds - all three mechanisms are perfectly valid systems of taxation - and we have option 3 in effect. Your personal hangups about local authority tenants not being liable to a property tax when they own no property, and pay a rent to the local authority, really don't weigh heavily on me. At all.

kr7

Dub XV wrote: »

The fact remains that public service wage bill is far too high and needs to be reduced.

You can continue your waffling now.

NO.

The fact is that PS salary's have risen every year since 2007.

Take home pay might have fallen but salary's have risen.

Big Bad Phil

More letters will be sent out next week anyone still not paying will face court end of this month where you can all look forward to paying more by heavier fines tax evaders shall be named and shamed in their local newspapers.

alastair

darkhorse wrote: »

Morally unjust.

What morality are you referencing? Just throwing words out there is kind of pointless.

kr7

alastair wrote: »

That makes no odds - all three mechanisms are perfectly valid systems of taxation - and we have option 3 in effect. Your personal hangups about local authority tenants not being liable to a property tax when they own no property, and pay a rent to the local authority, really don't weigh heavily on me. At all.

So you agree then that half of the population (or whatever percentage it is) shouldn't pay their way?

alastair

kr7 wrote: »

NO.

The fact is that PS salary's have risen every year since 2007.

Take home pay might have fallen but salary's have risen.

It's actually a fact that public sector salaries have fallen since 2007. As pointed out to you already.

kr7

Big Bad Phil wrote: »

More letters will be sent out next week anyone still not paying will face court end of this month where you can all look forward to paying more by heavier fines tax evaders shall be named and shamed in their local newspapers.

Those damn letters!

Jesus, phil, 4 posts and every one a lie!

alastair

kr7 wrote: »

So you agree then that half of the population (or whatever percentage it is) shouldn't pay their way?

Half the population are local authority tenants?

kr7

alastair wrote: »

It's actually a fact that public sector salaries have fallen since 2007. As pointed out to you already.

Ah, your good ok.
You remind of one of those OO fool's when they get to a police line and keep marching on the spot.
No blockade here, no way.......:D

Dub XV

alastair wrote: »

It's actually a fact that public sector salaries have fallen since 2007. As pointed out to you already.

They are nowhere near as low as they should be.

alastair

kr7 wrote: »

Ah, your good ok.
You remind of one of those OO fool's when they get to a police line and keep marching on the spot.
No blockade here, no way.......:D

One more time for luck then: http://budget.gov.ie/budgets/2010/Summary.aspx#Reductions

kr7

alastair wrote: »

Half the population are local authority tenants?

The bit in brackets, did you see it?

Whatever percentage of the population are private renters or LA tenants.

I don't know the actual figure, that's why I put the bit in brackets.

:rolleyes:

alastair

Dub XV wrote: »

They are nowhere near as low as they should be.

Quite a different opinion to 'they haven't been cut' - which passes for informed commentary for some.

alastair

kr7 wrote: »

The bit in brackets, did you see it?

Whatever percentage of the population are private renters or LA tenants.

I don't know the actual figure, that's why I put the bit in brackets.

:rolleyes:

More figures you don't know? - Why would you expect to levy a property tax on someone without a property? See motor tax.

Dub XV

alastair wrote: »

Quite a different opinion to 'they haven't been cut' - which passes for informed commentary for some.

So?

Why don't you just agree with the point, as its correct, instead of having a pop?

kr7

alastair wrote: »

One more time for luck then: http://budget.gov.ie/budgets/2010/Summary.aspx#Reductions

Good God!

That was then and there have been pay rises (increments) ever since.

What about the comparison to the UK PS wage levels I shown you earlier?

No comment?

Keep marching on the spot!!!!

paddy147

Big Bad Phil wrote: »

More letters will be sent out next week anyone still not paying will face court end of this month where you can all look forward to paying more by heavier fines tax evaders shall be named and shamed in their local newspapers.

More letters??


Have yet to even see what these letters actually look like.Is it something like this......




....."please pay the 10,000 silk tie charge and Brazilian Holiday bill..sorry I mean the HHC charge".....

"We need the dosh now to pay for the ties,oh and my own villas property taxes/fees in Portugal"....

"Thank from your man....Big Philly".

kr7

Ah, the old motor tax chestnut, which has several times been blown away by different posters.

I'm off to play with the little one, a two year old.

I'll get more sense there.

Ciao!

alastair

Dub XV wrote: »

So?

Why don't you just agree with the point, as its correct, instead of having a pop?

Because your point is pretty vague - where do you think additional cuts should apply, to what base, etc, etc? I'm hardly likely to agree with something so open-ended.

Dub XV

alastair wrote: »

More figures you don't know? - Why would you expect to levy a property tax on someone without a property? See motor tax.

Local authorities provide cars too

Dub XV

alastair wrote: »

Because your point is pretty vague - where do you think additional cuts should apply, to what base, etc, etc? I'm hardly likely to agree with something so open-ended.

Oh I know that about you by now.

Who cares about the specifics? It's a yes or no question.

Anyways I guess you won't be replying for a bit.

alastair

kr7 wrote: »

Good God!

That was then and there have been pay rises (increments) ever since.

What about the comparison to the UK PS wage levels I shown you earlier?

No comment?

Keep marching on the spot!!!!

You didn't seem to so keen to equate the far larger UK council charges with the level of services provided, so why should I be worried about the salary gap (which also exists in the private sector for what it's worth).

Unless you're of the belief that all career paths should be stuck on a permanent starting salary base, I'm really not sure what your problem with increments is. The fact is that they operate inside a reduced salary scale.

alastair

Dub XV wrote: »

Oh I know that about you by now.

Hardly worth asking then, was it?

KeithM89_old

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