Do you see yourself living in Ireland permanently

Eve_Dublin

I've kind of made a decision very recently that I would like to move home to Ireland in the future. I'm now trying to figure out something I can qualify in which will allow me to do that. Yes, I know there'll be posters coming on telling me "dere's jobs if you look hard enough!" but if all I can get is a job packing shelves (not to knock shelf packers btw...did it myself in the past...I'm not a career snob) then I'll pass for the time being. Would like to return home and have a decent standard of living so I can raise some kids. I'm sick of scraping by tbh.

I live in Spain and day by day, this country is becoming a challenge to live in. The only real benefit I can think of living right now during this crisis is the sunshine. And the sunshine is great but we also get massive droughts, forest fires, unbearable heat sometimes with no respite and zero variety in the weather. That can wreak your head too although you might not believe that in rainy Ireland.

I've been out of the country now 8 years and I've had a great time. I'd like to do a bit more moving around and experience living in a few more countries, even for a year here and there then I'll come home(hopefully).

As someone said, there's a lot to be said for being close to family and I really miss that. That and the people and their sense of humour ("international" humour can get on your wick after a while) and the nightlife in Dublin.

martomcg

martomcg wrote: »

He's earning 3 times what I'm on and isn't half as qualified. He's gotten to take breaks inbetween jobs and travel all of Asia and still has plenty in his pocket. (This makes me mad jealous)

While I obviously want to be paid well, for me living there it wouldn't be worth it earning 3 times as much and living away from Ireland. I would spend my whole time wishing I was back home and feeling homesick. I'm also very close to my family and would hate not seeing them regularly, I'm a travel home nearly every weekend sort of person.

In any case Ireland is one of the highest paying countrys going.

Micky Dolenz

Ireland is the best country in the world imo. Absolutely love the place, from it's scenery to its people. The weather lets it down a bit but you get used to it.

Will probably work away for a few years but will definitely live there on a permanent basis again.

swimming in a sea

BraziliaNZ wrote: »

For all it's flaws, the weather in Ireland is the worst thing about it for me, depresses the hell out of me that we barely get a handful of summer days. Roasting now in London, after a torrid couple of months, but this is the 3rd spell of a week or so of consistently warm weather with clear skies, it just doesn't happen in Ireland, and we'll probably get a couple more here after this one.

I always think its funny hearing an English person go on about the "crap english weather" they don't know how good they have it.
Have an English friend who lives in the west of Ireland, he is from the south coast of England, he said he would never complain again about English weather after one summer in the West!!:D

Princess Peach

I've been thinking about this a lot lately! Not living in Ireland at the moment, wouldn't mind being away for another few years if necessary.

But I don't know about the long run. If I settle down and have children, I think it would be nice to be in Ireland and close to the rest of my family. I also think a lot about what nationality I want my children to be. It would be my dream to live in Boston, but it might annoy me to raise American children, who call themselves Irish.

BraziliaNZ

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

The weather lets it down a bit but you get used to it.

I never got used to it, as far as I can remember I adored the sun and warm weather ever since I was taken abroad with the family as a kid. I'm lucky though my parents retired to South of France (la di da) so when visiting family I get to go there, guaranteed suntan!

Micky Dolenz

BraziliaNZ wrote: »

I never got used to it, as far as I can remember I adored the sun and warm weather ever since I was taken abroad with the family as a kid. I'm lucky though my parents retired to South of France (la di da) so when visiting family I get to go there, guaranteed suntan!

Give me a mild day with soft rain over a blazing sun any day.

The trick to living a nice life in Ireland is to take up hobbies that will see you getting wet, surfing, canoeing, diving etc. doesn't matter if it's raining or not.

Bad Panda

Princess Peach wrote: »

I've been thinking about this a lot lately! Not living in Ireland at the moment, wouldn't mind being away for another few years if necessary.

But I don't know about the long run. If I settle down and have children, I think it would be nice to be in Ireland and close to the rest of my family. I also think a lot about what nationality I want my children to be. It would be my dream to live in Boston, but it might annoy me to raise American children, who call themselves Irish.

That's a pretty childish reason for such a big decision to be honest.

I'd be more concerned about what kind of life I could give my children rather than if some Irish people perceive them to be muppets for saying they're Irish.

I'm in two minds at the moment.

Ireland is not a good place to raise children I don't think. Everywhere has their problems sure, but Ireland - Dublin especially - is so small that you find trouble within touching distance constantly.

Lia_lia

BraziliaNZ wrote: »

So what's your problem with the place?

I don't have a problem with the place, I just want a change of scenery. Don't think I could stay here all my life. That being said I could return here a live here permanently...who knows what will happen.

BraziliaNZ

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

Give me a mild day with soft rain over a blazing sun any day.

The trick to living a nice life in Ireland is to take up hobbies that will see you getting wet, surfing, canoeing, diving etc. doesn't matter if it's raining or not.

I know you can do those things, and I used to go surfing a lot, but it's things like spending the day in the park lying in the sun and reading or going to the beach or just getting a bit of colour in your face from the sun that I miss.

O-Deazy

I imagine I'll settle down in Ireland as I think its a great country to grow up in and I'll still have lots of family and friends living here but not before heading off for a few years to see what the world has to offer. Sick of working for crap money, in a country with a high cost of living and I can't help shake the feeling that I'd be wasting my youth by staying here. So as soon as I get the finances together and decide where I want to go I'll find out exactly what shade of green the grass is over this fence!

Micky Dolenz

BraziliaNZ wrote: »

I know you can do those things, and I used to go surfing a lot, but it's things like spending the day in the park lying in the sun and reading or going to the beach or just getting a bit of colour in your face from the sun that I miss.

Horses for courses. Lying out in the sun is akin to torture for me.

Princess Peach

Bad Panda wrote: »

That's a pretty childish reason for such a big decision to be honest.

I'd be more concerned about what kind of life I could give my children rather than if some Irish people perceive them to be muppets for saying they're Irish.

I'm in two minds at the moment.

Ireland is not a good place to raise children I don't think. Everywhere has their problems sure, but Ireland - Dublin especially - is so small that you find trouble within touching distance constantly.

Not some Irish people, I would perceive them muppets! I don't want to be annoyed by my own children. And on other nationalities I don't want my children to have funny accents. Like where I live now in Newfoundland!

I was raised in Ireland and it was pretty great!

Sunnyisland

No, Eventually I shall move back to Portugal.

BraziliaNZ

Princess Peach wrote: »

Not some Irish people, I would perceive them muppets! I don't want to be annoyed by my own children. And on other nationalities I don't want my children to have funny accents. Like where I live now in Newfoundland!

I was raised in Ireland and it was pretty great!

You're in Newfoundland? Why?! It was like a worse version of Ireland from my experience, and it doesn't even get the jet stream!

Princess Peach

BraziliaNZ wrote: »

You're in Newfoundland? Why?! It was like a worse version of Ireland from my experience, and it doesn't even get the jet stream!

I love it! Except for the terrible weather and stupid accents! :pac:

Eve_Dublin

BraziliaNZ wrote: »

I know you can do those things, and I used to go surfing a lot, but it's things like spending the day in the park lying in the sun and reading or going to the beach or just getting a bit of colour in your face from the sun that I miss.

Hot weather is also knackering and a pain in the arse to work in. Drains you completely. I do like it though. Many, many locals hate this time of year and Irish weather to them sounds like heaven.

Edit: i'm going for lunch and some beer outside now! That's the best part of living here...tata!

BraziliaNZ

Eve_Dublin wrote: »

Hot weather is also knackering and a pain in the arse to work in. Drains you completely. I do like it though. Many, many locals hate this time of year and Irish weather to them sounds like heaven.

Edit: i'm going for lunch and some beer outside now! That's the best part of living here...tata!

Well only if you work outdoors! Never bothered me in hot countries in offices.

Ditto, going to lie in the sun now

Wacker The Attacker

I like Ireland and will only move as an absolute last resort

BraziliaNZ

Princess Peach wrote: »

I love it! Except for the terrible weather and stupid accents! :pac:

Actually when I was there in summer the weather was beautiful. I stayed near the Avalon (!?!) mall, if you know where that is!

Dravokivich

ehm, yes. I'm staying. Leave that light on for me, thanks.

dd972

Used to live in the Netherlands and if things had gone differently for me over there work and money wise I'd have probably stayed. It's a high taxation economy but you get what you pay for in terms of your living environment, public services and quality of life.

People who go and see Amsterdam don't get the full picture of the country, cities like Den Bosch, Nijmegen or Maastricht are clean, pleasant, efficient and enjoyable to be in, in addition to the fact that you're merely a train ride away from Brussels, Cologne or Berlin.

A lot of the famed Irish friendliness is overrated as well, we may have a loud, brash and superficial hail fellow well met manner, but I actually found people on the continent far easier to connect to and have an in depth conversation with.

Weather here is another minus point, dislike London but even wouldn't mind being over there to get some sun at the minute.

Eve_Dublin

BraziliaNZ wrote: »

Well only if you work outdoors! Never bothered me in hot countries in offices.

Ditto, going to lie in the sun now

True...I travel a lot on the Metro and I'm in the heat a fair bit during the day. My situation wouldn't be the average though, that's true.

Sea Filly

Don't know, but put it this way, the thought of living in Ireland permanently doesn't perturb me in any way.

martomcg

Octavia Ashy Suffix wrote: »

While I obviously want to be paid well, for me living it wouldn't be worth it earning 3 times as much and living away from Ireland. I would spend my whole time wishing I was back home and feeling homesick. I'm also very close to my family and would hate not seeing them regularly, I'm a travel home nearly every weekend sort of person.

In any case Ireland is one of the highest paying countrys going.

Highest paid countries going? What kind of statement is that? Our cost of living does nowhere near compensate for the wages here. If you take everything into consideration the results are not good:

http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/rankings_by_country.jsp

Your clearly a homebird and that's why earning good money obviously doesn't appeal to you if you've to leave home for it. But 3x my salary for a position here in Ireland that's worth less than I'm on is not something I can ignore.

Would you sooner sit here on the dole than leave knowing you could get a similar position? Just because your family, friends are here?

Princess Peach

BraziliaNZ wrote: »

Actually when I was there in summer the weather was beautiful. I stayed near the Avalon (!?!) mall, if you know where that is!

Oh yeah beautiful summer now after a looooong harsh winter. But it hasn't snowed since June 1st I live right by there!

But I wouldn't live here forever, my housemates accents drive me scatty, I couldn't impose that on my children.

Dave!

seamus wrote: »

I have no desire whatsoever to go live anywhere else. I don't even want to move outside of South Dublin.

If I had no family & no friends living here, then I wouldn't be so inclined to hang on. But as it is I like being within 30 minutes of the people I love. If for nothing more than the simple comfort of being able to go for a few pints in a local pub with friends/family whenever you feel like it.

This!!! This!!! A thousand times this!!!!

ahem, sorry

Yes, these are my thoughts exactly.

Run_to_da_hills

Twenty years ago I had both Australian and US emigration status. Travelled between both country's for almost 4 years. Came back and would have no intention of travelling again, the faraway hills are always greener so they say.

Zeppydiego

My young brother is emigrating to Canada on Sunday, he's a PHD student and is seeking a Post Doc out there.. it's crazy and I know he won't ever settle in Ireland. Me, on the other hand, probably will but myself and my other half do have a view to eventually live out days in a sunny climate... to dream big these days keeps us going because the thoughts of living in Ireland forever is not appealling..

steddyeddy

dark crystal wrote: »

Myself and my partner are currently looking to move over to the UK with the kids in the new year. There are just way more job opportunities for us over there.
We've both been unhappy over here for a while now and the past few governments certainly haven't done anything much to encourage us to stay.

It's scary starting over in our late thirties with a young family, but we can't see any other way at the moment, tbh.

Best of luck with it. Fair play for taking action to be happy again. Lifes to short

Snowie

Im thinking of moving to austria .
bring my computer and my camera and clothes leave everything else, and send for it when I get set up... I don't want to leave but I'm beginning to see the harsh reality that if I want to do the job I want to do...

irelands really not going to cut it...

Helix

can't see myself back in ireland more than a handful of times again in my life. it's a mess of a country, both in terms of governance and the people in it. rampant alcoholism under the guise of socialising, sweet FA to do and still a fierce backwards mentality about most stuff. i couldn't in good conscience let my kids grow up there

laoch na mona

hopefully i won't have to emigrate I like it here

BraziliaNZ

Princess Peach wrote: »

Oh yeah beautiful summer now after a looooong harsh winter. But it hasn't snowed since June 1st I live right by there!

But I wouldn't live here forever, my housemates accents drive me scatty, I couldn't impose that on my children.

It's not that bad an accent! Irish people can hardly talk!

martomcg

martomcg wrote: »

Your clearly a homebird and that's why earning good money obviously doesn't appeal to you if you've to leave home for it. But 3x my salary for a position here in Ireland that's worth less than I'm on is not something I can ignore.

Would you sooner sit here on the dole than leave knowing you could get a similar position? Just because your family, friends are here?

I certainly want to earn good money but there is good money to be made here. In my area of work salarys will be as high if not higher (and a lot higher in some cases) than a lot of countries around the world. Your situation is not very common at all I would imagine there are very very few position where you earn twice never mind three times as much for an equivalent job outside Ireland compared to in Ireland.

I wouldn't go on the dole long term but I would do it for a period while looking for a job though as I'd rather hold out for a job here than move away, as I said I have lived away for a year (and it was only London) and it really wasn't for me at all, used every day of holidays I had from my job visiting home. Hopefully however I don't envisage a major problem in getting a job in Ireland so it shouldn't be something that I have to worry about, I am not a person who has an exact job in mind. I will be quite highly qualified when I finish and there are a number of routes for me to go down with regards to employment.

I would add that I like to visit other countries on holidays especially the US and I wouldn't even mind spending a 3 or 6 month period living there (and I may have to for work), but any longer than that is just not something that I would be happy doing.

Helix wrote: »

can't see myself back in ireland more than a handful of times again in my life. it's a mess of a country, both in terms of governance and the people in it. rampant alcoholism under the guise of socialising, sweet FA to do and still a fierce backwards mentality about most stuff. i couldn't in good conscience let my kids grow up there

A lot of bull in that post. For a start the country is not a mess that's tabloid stuff. Socialising is one of the best things about Ireland and I know people who have moved to Ireland and its one of the main reason they want to stay. There is very little you cant do in Ireland that you can other places if you want to and its extremely insulting to the country to call it backwards. Its also probably one of the best places in the world for children to grow up.

In short we are better off without you with an attitude like the above.

Helix

Octavia Ashy Suffix wrote: »

A lot of bull in that post. For a start the country is not a mess that's tabloid stuff. Socialising is one of the best things about Ireland and I know people who have moved to Ireland and its one of the main reason they want to stay. There is very little you cant do in Ireland that you can other places if you want to and its extremely insulting to the country to call it backwards. Its also probably one of the best places in the world for children to grow up.

In short we are better off without you with an attitude like the above.

look, i was born and reared in ireland. i spent 25 of the first 26 years of my life there before jumping ship three years ago before the sh1t really hit the fan. socialising is fine, but the irish mentality isn't about socialising. it's about getting drunk, first and foremost, followed by whatever else as being secondary. the entire social structure of the country revolves around getting drunk. the pub is the first port of call for everything. it's embarrassing, and i genuinely didn't realise how bad it was until i left. i don't want to raise my kids in that

you say that it's tabloid crap that the country is a mess? it's definitely not. the country was a mess long before i left, even during the celtic tiger days. it's corrupt, for all the "friendly" ireland stuff the people there are getting increasingly antisocial, and there's very little opportunity for most people to do anything meaningful with their lives, as it's simply not encouraged. it never has been.

any kind of public amenities or facilities that are constructed are usually magnets for underage drinkers and scumbags to ruin, while companies are simply out to gouge as much money as they possibly can from the public. there's no such thing as a long term project in ireland, it's quick fixes all the way from governance through to industry

ireland is far from a good place for kids to grow up. there's little for them to do. they're witness to chronic alcoholism on an almost daily basis. there's very little drive in irish people to do more than get by. the "fùck it, it'll do" attitude doesn't serve to create winners, it serves to create mediocrity, and it's the reason the government continually gets away with running things into the ground.

if you're happy enough to spend your life there and raise your kids there, well for you. personally, my kids will have a better shot at life than that

Helix

Helix wrote: »

look, i was born and reared in ireland. i spent 25 of the first 26 years of my life there before jumping ship three years ago before the sh1t really hit the fan. socialising is fine, but the irish mentality isn't about socialising. it's about getting drunk, first and foremost, followed by whatever else as being secondary. the entire social structure of the country revolves around getting drunk. the pub is the first port of call for everything. it's embarrassing, and i genuinely didn't realise how bad it was until i left. i don't want to raise my kids in that

The above is one of the things I love about living in Ireland, you can go out and enjoy yourself properly regardless of the event

Helix

Octavia Ashy Suffix wrote: »

The above is one of the things I love about living in Ireland, you can go out and enjoy yourself properly regardless of the event

you know you can do that without getting shìtfaced drunk every time right? it's true. amazingly, that's how they do it in other countries. sometimes they don't even drink at all. crazy huh?

IrishAm

Helix wrote: »

ireland is far from a good place for kids to grow up. there's little for them to do.

You are spouting bollix. I hear this crap all the time by my local "community leaders" when services are cut. Within walking distance from here are; a shopping centre, cinema, six public parks, basketball team, seven soccer teams, a soccer stadium(SRFC), two youth clubs, one of the biggest libraries in the country, two boxing clubs, karate clubs, kickboxing clubs, Irish language groups, homework clubs, athletic clubs, a swimming pool, two GAA clubs, and I am only getting started.

That's quite a lot of child friendly activities on your doorstep.

Helix

IrishAm wrote: »

You are spouting bollix. I hear this crap all the time by my local "community leaders" when services are cut. Within walking distance from here are; a shopping centre, cinema, six public parks, basketball team, seven soccer teams, a soccer stadium(SRFC), two youth clubs, one of the biggest libraries in the country, two boxing clubs, karate clubs, kickboxing clubs, Irish language groups, homework clubs, athletic clubs, a swimming pool, two GAA clubs, and I am only getting started.

That's quite a lot of child friendly activities on your doorstep.

it's mickey mouse stuff compared to the facilities over here. regardless of how much you think kids are offered over there, it's garbage compared to decent countries

mikom

Helix wrote: »

look, i was born and reared in ireland. i spent 25 of the first 26 years of my life there before jumping ship three years ago before the sh1t really hit the fan. socialising is fine, but the irish mentality isn't about socialising. it's about getting drunk, first and foremost, followed by whatever else as being secondary. the entire social structure of the country revolves around getting drunk. the pub is the first port of call for everything. it's embarrassing, and i genuinely didn't realise how bad it was until i left. i don't want to raise my kids in that

you say that it's tabloid crap that the country is a mess? it's definitely not. the country was a mess long before i left, even during the celtic tiger days. it's corrupt, for all the "friendly" ireland stuff the people there are getting increasingly antisocial, and there's very little opportunity for most people to do anything meaningful with their lives, as it's simply not encouraged. it never has been.

any kind of public amenities or facilities that are constructed are usually magnets for underage drinkers and scumbags to ruin, while companies are simply out to gouge as much money as they possibly can from the public. there's no such thing as a long term project in ireland, it's quick fixes all the way from governance through to industry

ireland is far from a good place for kids to grow up. there's little for them to do. they're witness to chronic alcoholism on an almost daily basis. there's very little drive in irish people to do more than get by. the "fùck it, it'll do" attitude doesn't serve to create winners, it serves to create mediocrity, and it's the reason the government continually gets away with running things into the ground.

if you're happy enough to spend your life there and raise your kids there, well for you. personally, my kids will have a better shot at life than that

I Hope it all goes well for you.
You seem to have it all planned out anyway.

*Posted from an not-so-decent country*

Helix

Helix wrote: »

you know you can do that without getting shìtfaced drunk every time right? it's true. amazingly, that's how they do it in other countries. sometimes they don't even drink at all. crazy huh?

Its not 1/4 as much fun without the drink though.

Helix wrote: »

it's mickey mouse stuff compared to the facilities over here. regardless of how much you think kids are offered over there, it's garbage compared to decent countries

What great facilities do you have so the above list is enough for any kid to have a good time. When I was a child all I wanted was to be out on the farm, driving tractors, helping my father, granddad or uncle I wouldn't swap that for all the facilities in the world.

Skylinehead

Helix wrote: »

it's mickey mouse stuff compared to the facilities over here. regardless of how much you think kids are offered over there, it's garbage compared to decent countries

Facilities? No need, we made our own fun, and were delighted with it. Don't underestimate a kids imagination.

DipStick McSwindler

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IrishAm

Helix wrote: »

it's mickey mouse stuff compared to the facilities over here. regardless of how much you think kids are offered over there, it's garbage compared to decent countries

There is plenty to do in Ireland, man. You prefer living abroad and are happy with your new life. That's great. But there is nothing more insufferable than meeting a Paddy abroad and having to listen to them slate a nation that's subsidised their upbringing(child benefit) and their education all the way up to third level.

You live in Canada, outside the major cities there are fuck all immediate facilities in the more rural areas. A good place to visit or to settle down in middle age. Boring as fuck if you are in your 20s.

IrishAm

When I was a kid all I needed was a ball, me pals and a wall. Stick your fancy swimming pools.

Jimmyhologram

Helix wrote: »

look, i was born and reared in ireland. i spent 25 of the first 26 years of my life there before jumping ship three years ago before the sh1t really hit the fan. socialising is fine, but the irish mentality isn't about socialising. it's about getting drunk, first and foremost, followed by whatever else as being secondary. the entire social structure of the country revolves around getting drunk. the pub is the first port of call for everything. it's embarrassing, and i genuinely didn't realise how bad it was until i left. i don't want to raise my kids in that

you say that it's tabloid crap that the country is a mess? it's definitely not. the country was a mess long before i left, even during the celtic tiger days. it's corrupt, for all the "friendly" ireland stuff the people there are getting increasingly antisocial, and there's very little opportunity for most people to do anything meaningful with their lives, as it's simply not encouraged. it never has been.

any kind of public amenities or facilities that are constructed are usually magnets for underage drinkers and scumbags to ruin, while companies are simply out to gouge as much money as they possibly can from the public. there's no such thing as a long term project in ireland, it's quick fixes all the way from governance through to industry

ireland is far from a good place for kids to grow up. there's little for them to do. they're witness to chronic alcoholism on an almost daily basis. there's very little drive in irish people to do more than get by. the "fùck it, it'll do" attitude doesn't serve to create winners, it serves to create mediocrity, and it's the reason the government continually gets away with running things into the ground.

if you're happy enough to spend your life there and raise your kids there, well for you. personally, my kids will have a better shot at life than that

Come off it, lad. I enjoy a good rant as much as the next person, but this "Ireland is crap" topic has been overdone, so if you're going to offer a critique then at least try to stick to facts and be a bit more constructive. Otherwise, all you're doing is kicking a man when he's down. The sad thing is that there are obviously many elements of truth in what you say (and more so than many would care to admit), but then you negate any validity your views might hold with the observation that the children of Ireland as a constituency are "witness to chronic alcoholism on an almost daily basis". We have big problems, definitely, and we have many rubbish institutions and outdated mindsets. Ireland needs to improve in so many ways, it is scary, but we will improve, as thankfully not all of us subscribe to utter defeatism as a solution to our problems.

Pilotdude5

Nope. Even before this recession malarkey I had planned on moving. Currently looking at a permanent job in Asia. A few more months and I could be gone for ever and ever and ever.....:)

Sea Filly

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

...the faraway hills are always greener so they say.

So you ran to da hills years ago? :P

DipStick McSwindler

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