Do you see yourself living in Ireland permanently

Sea Filly

seamus wrote: »

I have no desire whatsoever to go live anywhere else. I don't even want to move outside of South Dublin.

If I had no family & no friends living here, then I wouldn't be so inclined to hang on. But as it is I like being within 30 minutes of the people I love. If for nothing more than the simple comfort of being able to go for a few pints in a local pub with friends/family whenever you feel like it.

OMG, wot a looser, lulz.*

I agree.

Helix

Octavia Ashy Suffix wrote: »

Its not 1/4 as much fun without the drink though..

but that's not remotely true. That's the crutch that everyone in Ireland seems to love 'sure it's better if you're locked'. It's absolute nonsense

But, hey, if that's what you need to get you through social situations then work away

candy-gal1

Tbh I could see myself living in another country, or around a few different countries, as i get older and when i get a good job, but i could also see myself coming back here, albeit to different parts of here though, every now and then between countries for want of a better word
I guess its the old thing of, you grew up here so no matter where you go in the world, youll more than likely end up back to where you started your living space and area of home at some point

Micky Dolenz

Helix wrote: »

you know you can do that without getting shìtfaced drunk every time right? it's true. amazingly, that's how they do it in other countries. sometimes they don't even drink at all. crazy huh?

That's more of a reflection on you and the company you keep as opposed to a country you live in. Ive often went out in Ireland and not got pissed. I've hung out with British friends in England and got hammered, Germany friends in Berlin and got blitzed, Aussie mates in Melbourne and got polluted.

Every country has a drinking/drug scene. It's you to you if you want to be part of it.

Helix

Jimmyhologram wrote: »

Come off it, lad. I enjoy a good rant as much as the next person, but this "Ireland is crap" topic has been overdone, so if you're going to offer a critique then at least try to stick to facts and be a bit more constructive. Otherwise, all you're doing is kicking a man when he's down. The sad thing is that there are obviously many elements of truth in what you say (and more so than many would care to admit), but then you negate any validity your views might hold with the observation that the children of Ireland as a constituency are "witness to chronic alcoholism on an almost daily basis". We have big problems, definitely, and we have many rubbish institutions and outdated mindsets. Ireland needs to improve in so many ways, it is scary, but we will improve, as thankfully not all of us subscribe to utter defeatism as a solution to our problems.

How is my point about drink not valid? In Ireland it's the societal norm to go out and get hammered twice a week. Drink isn't respected by anyone. Very few drink for any reason other than to get drunk. That's one of the biggest issues with ireland. Kids see it regularly growing up and assume that it's perfectly fine to act that way. It's not

Princess Peach

Helix wrote: »

it's mickey mouse stuff compared to the facilities over here. regardless of how much you think kids are offered over there, it's garbage compared to decent countries

I do agree with this. Canada is pretty great regarding education and healthcare and facilities.

My want to settle in Ireland is more so to be close to family, not because I really love the country. I don't think Ireland is really a bad place to live, but there are better!

fishy fishy

Helix wrote: »

look, i was born and reared in ireland. i spent 25 of the first 26 years of my life there before jumping ship three years ago before the sh1t really hit the fan. socialising is fine, but the irish mentality isn't about socialising. it's about getting drunk, first and foremost, followed by whatever else as being secondary. the entire social structure of the country revolves around getting drunk. the pub is the first port of call for everything. it's embarrassing, and i genuinely didn't realise how bad it was until i left. i don't want to raise my kids in that

you say that it's tabloid crap that the country is a mess? it's definitely not. the country was a mess long before i left, even during the celtic tiger days. it's corrupt, for all the "friendly" ireland stuff the people there are getting increasingly antisocial, and there's very little opportunity for most people to do anything meaningful with their lives, as it's simply not encouraged. it never has been.

any kind of public amenities or facilities that are constructed are usually magnets for underage drinkers and scumbags to ruin, while companies are simply out to gouge as much money as they possibly can from the public. there's no such thing as a long term project in ireland, it's quick fixes all the way from governance through to industry

ireland is far from a good place for kids to grow up. there's little for them to do. they're witness to chronic alcoholism on an almost daily basis. there's very little drive in irish people to do more than get by. the "fùck it, it'll do" attitude doesn't serve to create winners, it serves to create mediocrity, and it's the reason the government continually gets away with running things into the ground.

if you're happy enough to spend your life there and raise your kids there, well for you. personally, my kids will have a better shot at life than that

I would have to differ with your opinion. Your first paragraph is completely based on your own idea of things. Yes people meet in a pub but that doesn't mean that everyone goes out to get drunk all the time. You may have done that with your buddies, and therefore you assume that "that is all people do". I can guarantee you that it's not all people do - there is a wealth of things to do at night besides going to the pubs - maybe you don't understand this as you spent all your time in the pub getting drunk.

Re. your points about the country being corrupt is true - but that is not the public's fault - its the few running the place. I bet if you spend long enough in Canada the shine will wear off that place too and you will see it for what it really is, as opposed to a new toy.

You seem to have a terrible view of Ireland after moving to another country. This is quite common among new "immigrants" to other countries, but a little advice.....don't come back home on your "vacation" and spout this nonsense - the locals won't take to kindly to it, especially when after a few years spent "away in the new country" you will be returning to Ireland and be glad to do so, or else wishing you returned when you realize that Canada/USA/UK are every bit as bad.

Sea Filly

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

That's more of a reflection on you and the company you keep as opposed to a country you live in. Ive often went out in Ireland and not got pissed. I've hung out with British friends in England and got hammered, Germany friends in Berlin and got blitzed, Aussie mates in Melbourne and got polluted.

Every country has a drinking/drug scene. It's you to you if you want to be part of it.

Of course there's people who like to go drinking/drugging regularly everywhere but I suspect there's a far higher proportion of these people in Ireland compared to a lot of other countries.

DipStick McSwindler

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Helix

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

That's more of a reflection on you and the company you keep as opposed to a country you live in. Ive often went out in Ireland and not got pissed. I've hung out with British friends in England and got hammered, Germany friends in Berlin and got blitzed, Aussie mates in Melbourne and got polluted.

Every country has a drinking/drug scene. It's you to you if you want to be part of it.

Unfortunately that's simple not the case. When I've been home to visit family the odd time you get looked at like a lepper if you're not drinking. There's an inbuilt suspicion of non drinkers among the Irish in social situations. Now I'm not a teetotaler, I'll have a pint occasionally, but when I'm back if you switch to the orange juice after 2 pints all you get is people trying to buy you drink, because you surely couldn't be out without getting hammered like

It's engrained in the society

seamus

Helix wrote: »

How is my point about drink not valid? In Ireland it's the societal norm to go out and get hammered twice a week.

In your experience.

In my experience only college students and people in their mid-twenties go out and get hammered twice a week. Just like college students and twentysomethings everywhere else in the world.

As people approach their thirties, they might go out for pints once every second weekend and even then manage to come home without throwing up.

Your own narrow window on the country isn't fact, I'm afraid. I don't doubt that's your experience, but that doesn't make it the norm.

Helix

fishy fishy wrote: »

I would have to differ with your opinion. Your first paragraph is completely based on your own idea of things. Yes people meet in a pub but that doesn't mean that everyone goes out to get drunk all the time. You may have done that with your buddies, and therefore you assume that "that is all people do". I can guarantee you that it's not all people do - there is a wealth of things to do at night besides going to the pubs - maybe you don't understand this as you spent all your time in the pub getting drunk.

Re. your points about the country being corrupt is true - but that is not the public's fault - its the few running the place. I bet if you spend long enough in Canada the shine will wear off that place too and you will see it for what it really is, as opposed to a new toy.

You seem to have a terrible view of Ireland after moving to another country. This is quite common among new "immigrants" to other countries, but a little advice.....don't come back home on your "vacation" and spout this nonsense - the locals won't take to kindly to it, especially when after a few years spent "away in the new country" you will be returning to Ireland and be glad to do so, or else wishing you returned when you realize that Canada/USA/UK are every bit as bad.

I assure you, that will never happen

Micky Dolenz

Sea Filly wrote: »

Of course there's people who like to go drinking/drugging regularly everywhere but I suspect there's a far higher proportion of these people in Ireland compared to a lot of other countries.

What are you basing that on?

feeney92 wrote: »

Irish people cant handle their drink, nobody really can go for a few quiet ones. I dont drink myself so every time I go out I see it. as a people we have an attitude that we have to "get locked" every time we go out. your right yes other Countrys are the same, but maybe not to the extent or as much. In Germany public drinking is allowed. think about how good it would be in Ireland to be able to go to Stephens Green and have a cold beer while enjoying the sun and not have to worry about some scumbag starting on you. We simply wouldnt be able to. The Irish ruin everything with drink, concerts, matches etc. they use it as an excuse

That's a lot of generalist talk right there.

Helix

seamus wrote: »

In your experience.

In my experience only college students and people in their mid-twenties go out and get hammered twice a week. Just like college students and twentysomethings everywhere else in the world.

As people approach their thirties, they might go out for pints once every second weekend and even then manage to come home without throwing up.

Your own narrow window on the country isn't fact, I'm afraid. I don't doubt that's your experience, but that doesn't make it the norm.

What you're talking about is very much the exception from what I saw there, and from speaking to countless others across the country

BraziliaNZ

Helix wrote: »

Unfortunately that's simple not the case. When I've been home to visit family the odd time you get looked at like a lepper if you're not drinking. There's an inbuilt suspicion of non drinkers among the Irish in social situations. Now I'm not a teetotaler, I'll have a pint occasionally, but when I'm back if you switch to the orange juice after 2 pints all you get is people trying to buy you drink, because you surely couldn't be out without getting hammered like

It's engrained in the society

After living in Canada for a couple of years, Ireland seemed like some sort of cultural Utopia when I came back. The Canadians drink too, to excess regularly, and the amount of weed smoked in that country is unreal, everyone was getting high all the time, the bar staff used to nip out for a toke etc, so don't be judging Ireland on it's alcohol fascination without looking around where you are first. I've some big problems with Ireland but I'd live there any day over Canada.

mikom

Helix wrote: »

Unfortunately that's simple not the case. When I've been home to visit family the odd time you get looked at like a lepper if you're not drinking. There's an inbuilt suspicion of non drinkers among the Irish in social situations. Now I'm not a teetotaler, I'll have a pint occasionally, but when I'm back if you switch to the orange juice after 2 pints all you get is people trying to buy you drink, because you surely couldn't be out without getting hammered like

It's engrained in the society

What are you and your future kids views on Canadas cannabis culture?

crazy cabbage

Dont see myslef living in ireland permanently. Hell i dont see myslef living anywhere permanently. There is so much of the world to see and so many different cultures out there to experience. I do love ireland however i dont see myslef here in 5 years time.

fishy fishy

Helix wrote: »

Unfortunately that's simple not the case. When I've been home to visit family the odd time you get looked at like a lepper if you're not drinking. There's an inbuilt suspicion of non drinkers among the Irish in social situations. Now I'm not a teetotaler, I'll have a pint occasionally, but when I'm back if you switch to the orange juice after 2 pints all you get is people trying to buy you drink, because you surely couldn't be out without getting hammered like

It's engrained in the society

I think it might be maybe yourself not being able to say no to a drink when forced by your peers - that doesn't make everyone out to get drunk.

Now that you have "found" yourself, it might be an idea not to burn your bridges - I can seriously guarantee you, you will be returning with a very different story so just be careful. You do know Canada has its own corruptions don't you, re. police and govt. Oh and I can safely say, as of yet we haven't had any shooting sprees in shopping malls.

Don't be too cocky, it will come back to haunt you. Yes, you found a "new best friend" in Canada - but remember "old friends are the best".

fishy fishy

Helix wrote: »

I assure you, that will never happen, until I take the rose tinted glasses off

fYP

Sappa

seamus wrote: »

Helix wrote: »

How is my point about drink not valid? In Ireland it's the societal norm to go out and get hammered twice a week.

In your experience.

In my experience only college students and people in their mid-twenties go out and get hammered twice a week. Just like college students and twentysomethings everywhere else in the world.

As people approach their thirties, they might go out for pints once every second weekend and even then manage to come home without throwing up.

Your own narrow window on the country isn't fact, I'm afraid. I don't doubt that's your experience, but that doesn't make it the norm.

You must not go out too often yourself,Irish folk do not stop drinking excessively once they hit 30,they continue like this until they are a lot older,
The drink culture here is a huge problem and I see the generation behind me getting worse not better.

seamus

Helix wrote: »

What you're talking about is very much the exception from what I saw there, and from speaking to countless others across the country

That's exactly what I'd say about your opinion.

Ruh-roh, where do we go from here?

Clearly you have a bee in your bonnet about drinking, for whatever reason. In that regard you might be right to move elsewhere. I don't doubt that our consumption is slightly higher than other places (not massively so though), but it's not something that annoys me in any way.

In regards to anything else, we have the same scumbags and the same problems as everywhere else. Our politicians are as crooked as everyone else's, and our public services are as disappointing as everyone else's.

If you have a pessimistic view on life, then eventually your pessimism will catch up with you and you'll find yourself disgusted by the failings of your new country and thinking about moving on. If you have an optimistic viewpoint you will see towards a day when all problems are being worked on and you will maintain hope for the place you're living now. And regardless of whether anything ever actually changes, at least you will be less stressed about life.

fishy fishy

Helix wrote: »

Unfortunately that's simple not the case. When I've been home to visit family the odd time you get looked at like a lepper if you're not drinking. There's an inbuilt suspicion of non drinkers among the Irish in social situations. Now I'm not a teetotaler, I'll have a pint occasionally, but when I'm back if you switch to the orange juice after 2 pints all you get is people trying to buy you drink, because you surely couldn't be out without getting hammered like

It's engrained in the society

just one more comment on this post - you seem to be protesting too much helix.

You say you have been home to visit, and you get looked at like a lepper if you are not drinking. Obviously the people that knew you before you left must have known you were a drinker, otherwise they wouldn't' be offering you drink. Also, it would be a tradition for people to buy somebody a drink after they return on holiday if they have been away - thats called generosity - you shouldn't' take it as they want you to get langered.

as I said before I think you ideas come from the way YOU were before you left, and not the general rule. Maybe if you had branched out and saw other things, instead of just drinking, you may not have such a bad picture in your head. To be honest, it seems like you hung around with a lot of drinkers and you didn't know any better. That's your choice, but now that you have "found the light" don't blame the rest of society for your shortcomings.

also, a bit of advice - don't go around slagging Ireland and the shower of drinkers to your new Canadian friends - while they might laugh, they will also think your behavior a bit odd to say the least. Have a bit of pride in yourself and your country.

Helix

Helix wrote: »

but that's not remotely true. That's the crutch that everyone in Ireland seems to love 'sure it's better if you're locked'. It's absolute nonsense

But, hey, if that's what you need to get you through social situations then work away

Ever consider that a lot people would just rather drink than not drink as opposed to "using it as a social crutch" or some other such nonsense.

In general I dont see why it bothers you so much anyway, let people live their own lives and socalise how they want. I'd hate to live in a place where going to the pub regularly wasn't the norm as I really enjoy it.

GerM

Different strokes for different folks. Some people are suited to living elsewhere. The cultural differences appeal to them and they adapt and relish them. Others much prefer the Irish take on things. Some like an evening BBQ in the park and some prefer a good pint and chat in a busy pub when it’s freezing out. I’ve lived at home and abroad. I wouldn’t mind living abroad again but probably won’t due to where I am in life. The majority of reasons that people cite for leaving Ireland are, for the most part, very idealistic. Most countries have the exact same issues. Try living in one of them and you’ll quickly see people bitching about the government, healthcare, cost of living, house prices, crime etc. Ireland is worse off in some aspects and better off in others. The one thing that is undeniable is the weather but, for a large number of people in this country, 30C solidly for a number of months is far from enjoyable. People in London are currently struggling with 30C for a week. It’s a complete slog dealing with life in that weather and you’ll see many of the locals staying indoors.

Yes, there are many things wrong with this country but you’ll find many wrong things abroad. There are few countries that have the capability to self loathe and self deprecate like ourselves though. Ireland is preferable to many places out there.

There’s a lot of variables that make up your life that are no different from anywhere else i.e. the people in your life, the area you live in, the career (not salary) you have. All those things can be changed without leaving Ireland. More often than not, those who move abroad enjoy things more because they approach life in a different way and seize things far more than they would when in their hometown. Living abroad is just suited to some but not to all.

Sea Filly

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

What are you basing that on?

Can only speak for alcohol but we tend to be in the top 5 in every statistical table of alcohol-related things that turn up.

fishy fishy

Sea Filly wrote: »

Can only speak for alcohol but we tend to be in the top 5 in every statistical table of alcohol-related things that turn up.

and the celtic tiger was authentic also.

seamus

Sea Filly wrote: »

Can only speak for alcohol but we tend to be in the top 5 in every statistical table of alcohol-related things that turn up.

Nope.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_alcohol_consumption

Now, we're not covered in glory but we're not in the top five, we're well off it.

Also worth noting that our consumption is very heavily influenced by beer consumption - something which "civilised" countries such as Germany are largely associated with, and we are way down the list when it comes to spirit consumption - which we traditionally associate with problem drinking and "really" alcoholic nations like the former USSR states.

Captain Graphite

In an ideal world I'd love to spend a few years living in Dublin, a few in London, few in New York, few in Auckland, few in Shanghai etc. I don't like the idea of settling down in any one place for too long, even though realistically I know I'll have to eventually for employment purposes.

If I did settle down in Ireland, it'd have to be Dublin. Having spent practically all of my life so far in an isolated rural area I have absolutely no wish to settle down in the country and continue feeling far away from everything. Even our second largest city, where I spent my undergraduate years studying, feels more like a town than a proper city. I know Dublin isn't exactly a hectic metropolis full of bright lights or anything but it sometimes feels like the only place in the country where anything of note ever happens.

PictureFrame

I'm going into 1st year of a Law degree in September and I am 100% positive i'm leaving Ireland after I do my degree. A lack of job opportunities in Law and everything else for young college graduates as well as the ridiculously long and highly expensive process of become a Solicitor has solidified my decision.

I've researched it thoroughly and after my 3 years i'm going to either NY/California to sit the bar exams and receive my qualifications once all goes well.

For me, staying in this Country is not an option i'm even considering to be totally honest.

Helix

seamus wrote: »

Nope.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_alcohol_consumption

Now, we're not covered in glory but we're not in the top five, we're well off it.

Also worth noting that our consumption is very heavily influenced by beer consumption - something which "civilised" countries such as Germany are largely associated with, and we are way down the list when it comes to spirit consumption - which we traditionally associate with problem drinking and "really" alcoholic nations like the former USSR states.

Ah grand. We aren't top 5 do that means theres no drink culture or problem with it. Woo

Eve_Dublin

France just below us. Never thought they'd a problem with alcohol....


Those stats were taken in 2005...I can imagine since the crisis we're even further down....

NegativeCreep

I think I'll probably live in Ireland for the majority of my twenties. Career-wise it'll probably be better for me to stay here as there are a lot of job opportunities for career I want to get into (biotechnology)

However, in my mid or late twenties I would like to move country if the opportunity presented itself. I'd love to live in Norway near a Fjord or something. And I also want to retire to Florida like a proper old person :L Rent a condo in the nice weather till I die. It sounds nice

Dangerous Man

I left Ireland just over 2 years ago and intended to come home but it's looking increasingly unlikely that I'll return soon. A lack of job opportunities, a poor healthcare system, corrupt politicians, and our love affair with alcohol are all factors in stopping me from moving back.

Eve_Dublin

Dangerous Man wrote: »

I left Ireland just over 2 years ago and intended to come home but it's looking increasingly unlikely that I'll return soon. A lack of job opportunities, a poor healthcare system, corrupt politicians, and our love affair with alcohol are all factors in stopping me from moving back.

Where do you live?

Dangerous Man

I live in Canada, Eve.

Eve_Dublin

Dangerous Man wrote: »

I live in Canada, Eve.

I see. People seem to love it over there. Prime minister seems to be a bit of a coont though. Best of luck anywhooo..

Sea Filly

seamus wrote: »

Nope.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_alcohol_consumption

Now, we're not covered in glory but we're not in the top five, we're well off it.

Also worth noting that our consumption is very heavily influenced by beer consumption - something which "civilised" countries such as Germany are largely associated with, and we are way down the list when it comes to spirit consumption - which we traditionally associate with problem drinking and "really" alcoholic nations like the former USSR states.

Fair enough. I would interested to see stats on binge drinking though.

opinionated3

Would love to live in the states sometime in the future with the missus, just outside Boston. Can't see it happening though, not with the millstone of a mortgage around or necks! Ah well, the Euromillions is on tonight....

gaf1983

I've lived abroad before, both as a child (I was born in England, through no fault of my own), in college and then worked abroad for a year, I can see it happening again - got a job offer last week to work for 6 months abroad, that's a decision I'll have to make quite soon. I love this country, it's great having friends and family close by, but I have other friends who live abroad and it's easy enough these days to keep in contact with them, and I think I've got the old wanderlust again, so to answer the OP's question, probably no, although I'd like to come back here for sure.

stone roses

its only when you leave it all behind do you understand what you had or hadnt got! travel opens the mind its great but i never seen anything on all my years of travel that would make me leave ireland permanently! i think if your doing what you want you miss nothing! thats what is all about , people all over the world will leave there native country all the time , its not an irish thing its just life!!

CrazyRabbit

I can see myself dying here quite permanently. Not sure about the living bit though.

stone roses

Eve_Dublin wrote: »

I see. People seem to love it over there. Prime minister seems to be a bit of a coont though. Best of luck anywhooo..

its not all good!! saskatchewan canada 21 pipe fitters from ireland had some work to go to in canada but now they have no work!! only after being in canada for 6weeks some are getting sent home, it was on the owl joe duffy show today , we are not hearing the full story about the job losses in oz and canada! check out the unemployment rates that came out in oz last week , somthing is wrong , mining is keeping the whole show on the road!!

OMARS_COMING_

I would love to move at some stage and see the world,but i could never ever afford a plane ticket to Australia or Canada but tickets to the UK can be cheap enough.

Dangerous Man

Eve_Dublin wrote: »

I see. People seem to love it over there. Prime minister seems to be a bit of a coont though. Best of luck anywhooo..

It's pretty good alright but it's not like the streets are paved with gold or anything (at least not in Ontario, maybe Alberta...) Unemployment is close to eight percent, which by most standards is pretty high; trying to find a job is really, really difficult as almost everything over here takes longer to accomplish than it does in Ireland. Which, I know, is hard to believe but in a lot of ways, we're comparatively efficient.

One thing I do like is that anti-social behaviour is simply not tolerated here as it is in Ireland, which makes the streets feel a lot safer, more pleasant to walk around. Having said that, we've had a spate of shootings recently (although mainly restricted to, well, shit neighbourhoods) that have garnered a lot of attention.

Toronto is also a lot more liberal as a city; homosexuals can walk the streets and hold hands / kiss and nobody bats an eyelid, which is how it should be. The flip-side to this liberalism, though is a culture of entitlement that pervades life in the city; a lot of people openly smoke weed and there are too many strip clubs / saunas / rub-and-tug establishments to feel at ease with.


The weather can be brilliant, which it is now - been 30ish for the past month or so and will continue that way into early September. Then... winter. Canadian winters are pretty bad, even this far south.

So I suppose it has good and bad, like any place. I'd like to be able to take elements from Toronto and insert them into Dublin - and vice versa.

Oh yes, and Harper is a clown. He looks like a schoolboy.

Aidric

seamus wrote: »

I have no desire whatsoever to go live anywhere else. I don't even want to move outside of South Dublin.

If I had no family & no friends living here, then I wouldn't be so inclined to hang on. But as it is I like being within 30 minutes of the people I love. If for nothing more than the simple comfort of being able to go for a few pints in a local pub with friends/family whenever you feel like it.

A very Irish attitude.

Marcus_Crassus

Aidric wrote: »

A very Irish attitude.

To love one's family so much that you want to stay and spend time with them? I think you'll find that isn't a wholly Irish thing.

I've never wanted to live here. I don't hate the place, but would love to settle somewhere with a better climate. Can ya blame me? . We shall see how it pans out.

Sea Filly

Aidric wrote: »

A very Irish attitude.

Elaborate.

IrishAm

Aidric wrote: »

A very Irish attitude.

Its a global attitude. Only three per cent of the global population are migrants. The majority of people seem to prefer to live in their native land.

EDIT: Id say Prague would be a nice place to live for a few years.

cullend2

Nw that I've finished college, I'm off to New Zealand for a year. I'm not ruling out staying longer, or going somewhere else afterwards, but ultimately I can see myself coming back to Ireland

csi vegas

FairytaleGirl wrote: »

I reckon I will travel and live somewhere else for a few years, but ill come back to settle and rear a family. Aint no place like home - and for me being close to my own family is important.

Au contraire:

"Happiness is having a large, loving, caring, close-knit family (in another city)"