Do you see yourself living in Ireland permanently

kfallon

Eve_Dublin wrote: »

Maybe everyone I know is a miserable babstard. :P

That's the Spanish for you!!! :pac:

Sea Filly

fat__tony wrote: »

Jesus, such deluded nonsense!

Yeah we'd all prefer rain over blazing sunshine, sure..:rolleyes:

My ideal summer would be maybe 70/30 split of sunshine/rain.

Droughts ain't fun.

Sea Filly

GunRunner wrote: »

I love the country, but not the people.

So, you're self-hating, so? Must be if you don't like Irish people.

hooradiation

fishy fishy wrote: »

FYP

by the way, nobody is asking him to love the place, just not to put down the population of Ireland because he caught a flight out.

Nah, you didn't change a damn thing with that wee edit.
Try harder, be better.


And if it's ok for Helix to not "love the place" then why are you so goddamn butthurt when he says he finds it to be less than ideal?
Can't have it both ways, kid.

Cienciano

GunRunner wrote: »

No, I plan to leave as soon as possible. Ireland just doesn't suit me. I love the country, but not the people.

You must have a horrible family and friends if you hate them so much you want to leave the country!

fishy fishy

hooradiation wrote: »

Nah, you didn't change a damn thing with that wee edit.
Try harder, be better.


And if it's ok for Helix to not "love the place" then why are you so goddamn butthurt when he says he finds it to be less than ideal?
Can't have it both ways, kid.

i actually did but maybe you can't understand it. Not your fault I suppose, dear.

fishy fishy

Hooradiation,

I just noticed one of your previous posts in which you state:

"it's fun watching people trying to convince everyone else that their contrived reason for 'hating' a whole bunch of people they've never had any interaction with is totally legitimate"

yet you seem to be fully behind helix with his statement

Helix wrote: »

can't see myself back in ireland more than a handful of times again in my life. it's a mess of a country, both in terms of governance and the people in it. rampant alcoholism under the guise of socialising, sweet FA to do and still a fierce backwards mentality about most stuff. i couldn't in good conscience let my kids grow up there

I think maybe yourself and helix are two of a kind - confused.com

in any case Youv'e been outed. :rolleyes:

saa

I will live here unless my career gives allows me to have some financial freedom to get out of here or things get so bad here that I'm better off trying to chance it moving abroad with no safety net or family to move in with if it all goes wrong. I do love Ireland and part of me would like to live here and have the money to travel but in ten years time I'll probably be bored and with little prospects here so I may end up taking the plunge.

saa

saa wrote: »

things get so bad here that I'm better off trying to chance it moving abroad with no safety net or family to move in with if it all goes wrong.

Why on earth would you want to deny yourself a safety net if things go wrong?

DenMan

I am moving abroad next year (March/April) to teach. I am looking at Brazil and/or Thailand. I want to teach English as a foreign lanuage and I start my course in October. I love Ireland but I can’t wait to move abroad. I went to University in England and lived in Malta for a little while. I see myself teaching for the rest of my life as I have a love of it and a love of helping others. I will try and get back to Ireland for a short break every now and again to visit family and friends. I will be living abroad for a very long time. Like many others a lot of my friends/colleagues have left already. I’m looking foward to leaving and am really excited about it. So to answer the OP's question, no I don't see myself living in Ireland permanently. I’ll take the good parts of Ireland with me that’s for sure.

Helix

fishy fishy wrote: »

to be honest helix, you sound very young, naive, and in complete awe of somewhere that you really probably don't even know very well. A bit of life under your belt should bring you back to your senses.

No problem - you want to live in Canada, many do, but most have the common sense not to turn on your own country the minute you leave it. You will realize this sooner or later - in your case probably later.

young and naieve? im a married man of almost 30

again, why are you referring to ireland as my country? and i had the same opinion of ireland before i left it... hence me leaving it

Helix

fishy fishy wrote: »

I suppose you may have to say things like that to "fit in" and "laugh moronically" when your Canadian counterparts and employers put down the country.

i am my employer, so no i dont have to say anything to fit in. ireland simply doesnt crop up in conversation beyond "yeah, it's fairly screwed at the moment"

fishy fishy wrote: »

did you really want to go to Canada, or did the wife make you go. I thought such a "free spirited child of the world like yourself" would have picked a far more exotic place to go live in (Canada can be quite bland), - was the choice made for you? LOL

the choice was made by me about 6 years ago, long before i met the missus

fishy fishy

Helix wrote: »

i am my employer, so no i dont have to say anything to fit in. ireland simply doesnt crop up in conversation beyond "yeah, it's fairly screwed at the moment"



the choice was made by me about 6 years ago, long before i met the missus

Helix

just be careful - putting down your own people is NOT regarded as smart when you are away, either by the people of your country or by the people whose country you are living in. I am assuming you are not a Canadian Citizen - you are a citizen of Ireland - therefore whatever you believe in your head you are Irish and your country is Ireland.

You just seem to come across as one of these guys that is in awe of a new situation (a bit like going to disneyland and seeing all the shiny things there and getting very excited over it)

By your posts I would imagine you lived a grand life here in Ireland, probably got mammy and daddy to pay for college for you, went out with your buds and got langered every weekend,first as a student and then you may have gotten a little job but still lived at home being taken care of, dropping 100E maybe more each time you went out with your buddies didn't have a care or responsibility in the world. You now find yourself needing to grow up a little and to pay bills in a foreign country - you realized how much you squandered on drink while you were here - you might be finding it hard to make ends meet in Canada - you try to "blame Ireland" for your own drinking standards when you were here (I't wasn't my fault - they made me do it syndrome). Suddenly because you spent a few wet weekends away your Irish friends are immaterial to you - also you can't bear it to see them having fun while you must watch every penny yourself due to now having to take responsibility for yourself. I would say you probably went to Canada on a student visa or something - had a blast (paid for) and thought this is what life was about but got a terrible shock when you realized you had to grow up.

I would also assume you now have probably lost your Irish accent as you are ashamed of it, maybe have taken on a canadian accent to be "one of them" or maybe even a British Accent depending on who, if anybody, you are hanging around with.

Would I be right in any of this at all?

Just an impression I am getting.

Three years in a different place is nothing Helix, believe me. You are still in the honeymoon period so to speak, especially if you started out as a student there.

My advice: Enjoy Canada but don't be so naive as to put your own people down. It's quite naive and immature and actually shows you up as not being a very trustworthy person. Believe me, you will realise this when you have lived a bit of life and got some experience.

fishy fishy

i forgot to mention - if you hate the place and think the people are a lazy shower of alco's, then why on earth are you even bothered to be interacting with them on Boards.ie :p

HalloweenJack

Jesus, what is your problem with accepting that some people think differently about the place than you do?

He's explained himself perfectly. Personally, I don't agree with him but he's not make stupid comments, he's backing them up and sticking to his point.

So he doesn't feel Irish and he's happier in Canada, so what?

Also, even though you've been debating with him for ages on this topic, you seem to be ignoring everything he's said about his situation there and you're now just trying to run him down simply because you disagree with him.

Are you really so offended by his comments that you have to lay into him with some made up bull**** which, from the comments he's made, don't even make any sense?

Grow up, FFS.

fishy fishy

HalloweenJack wrote: »

Jesus, what is your problem with accepting that some people think differently about the place than you do?

He's explained himself perfectly. Personally, I don't agree with him but he's not make stupid comments, he's backing them up and sticking to his point.

So he doesn't feel Irish and he's happier in Canada, so what?

Also, even though you've been debating with him for ages on this topic, you seem to be ignoring everything he's said about his situation there and you're now just trying to run him down simply because you disagree with him.

Are you really so offended by his comments that you have to lay into him with some made up bull**** which, from the comments he's made, don't even make any sense?

Grow up, FFS.

:rolleyes:

hooradiation

fishy fishy wrote: »

Hooradiation,

I just noticed one of your previous posts in which you state:

"it's fun watching people trying to convince everyone else that their contrived reason for 'hating' a whole bunch of people they've never had any interaction with is totally legitimate"

yet you seem to be fully behind helix with his statement

I think maybe yourself and helix are two of a kind - confused.com

in any case Youv'e been outed. :rolleyes:

Well your two for two in relying with worthless noise, good job.


I just think your translation of helix not liking Ireland into something that has offended you and by extension the right thinking people of the country is a monumental heap of shit and you should consider getting better opinions.

Any further questions?

fishy fishy

hooradiation wrote: »

Well your two for two in relying with worthless noise, good job.


I just think your translation of helix not liking Ireland into something that has offended you and by extension the right thinking people of the country is a monumental heap of shit and you should consider getting better opinions.

Any further questions?

ya, what????

fishy fishy

Helix

take my advice - it will do you good in the long run

Halloween and Hooradion - :rolleyes::rolleyes: bu bye

(must be a "h" thing)

BraziliaNZ

I love Ireland but not it's people - what do you actually love then? The grass? The soil?

Helix

Helix wrote: »

young and naieve? im a married man of almost 30

again, why are you referring to ireland as my country? and i had the same opinion of ireland before i left it... hence me leaving it

No matter how much you deny it it is your country, your Irish passport and citizenship is enough alone to prove that.

I have to say you are a very very dislikable person with your running down of Ireland, a good hard kick in the hole would do you no harm and hopefully you will run down Ireland in front of someone who will administer it.

Ireland is a fantastic place to live and its your loss that you cant see that. Starting nearly two weeks holidays today and where am I going? Back home to Galway for race week. There is nowhere on this planet I would rather be than in Galway for race week. 7 days solid racing and the best nights out to be had anywhere in the world..bring it on!! Good luck finding craic like that in Canada with your one pint a month!

Helix

fishy fishy wrote: »

I am assuming you are not a Canadian Citizen - you are a citizen of Ireland - therefore whatever you believe in your head you are Irish and your country is Ireland.

2 more years til im a canadian citizen

fishy fishy wrote: »

You just seem to come across as one of these guys that is in awe of a new situation (a bit like going to disneyland and seeing all the shiny things there and getting very excited over it)

nope

fishy fishy wrote: »

By your posts I would imagine you lived a grand life here in Ireland, probably got mammy and daddy to pay for college for you

paid for it myself

fishy fishy wrote: »

went out with your buds and got langered every weekend

the odd time

fishy fishy wrote: »

first as a student and then you may have gotten a little job but still lived at home being taken care of, dropping 100E maybe more each time you went out with your buddies didn't have a care or responsibility in the world.

nope. 29 years of age and had a job for 14 of those years (cheekily including a year delivering newspapers at the ripe old age of 13)

fishy fishy wrote: »

You now find yourself needing to grow up a little and to pay bills in a foreign country

nope. ive always been exceptionally good with money. it happens when your parents are responsible, hardworking members of the working class

fishy fishy wrote: »

you realized how much you squandered on drink while you were here

i actually never spent much on drink believe it or not

you might be finding it hard to make ends meet in Canada

i'm actually very, very comfortable over here financially

fishy fishy wrote: »

Suddenly because you spent a few wet weekends away your Irish friends are immaterial to you

i talk to them quite regularly

fishy fishy wrote: »

also you can't bear it to see them having fun while you must watch every penny yourself due to now having to take responsibility for yourself

again, im very, very comfortable financially. i dont need to watch any pennies (or dollars)

fishy fishy wrote: »

I would say you probably went to Canada on a student visa or something - had a blast (paid for) and thought this is what life was about but got a terrible shock when you realized you had to grow up.

correct on the student visa. came over on one to scout the lie of the land for a business project. did my research, figured out what needed to be done, then implemented it. now im here on a grown up visa. i paid for everything myself. again, im very good with money

I would also assume you now have probably lost your Irish accent as you are ashamed of it, maybe have taken on a canadian accent to be "one of them" or maybe even a British Accent depending on who, if anybody, you are hanging around with.

christ almighty. no. i still have my accent.

fishy fishy wrote: »

Would I be right in any of this at all?

you were right on the student visa for the first year. the rest was embarrassingly wide of the mark

ive build up a company over here to be the single biggest in the canadian market at what it does, in 3 years. i think you seem to have it in your head that im a student layabout or something. that's fair enough, but to put together such a pathetically inaccurate attempt at a profile really hasnt done you any favours

Helix

Octavia Ashy Suffix wrote: »

No matter how much you deny it it is your country, your Irish passport and citizenship is enough alone to prove that.

only for another 2 years.

Octavia Ashy Suffix wrote: »

I have to say you are a very very dislikable person with your running down of Ireland, a good hard kick in the hole would do you no harm and hopefully you will run down Ireland in front of someone who will administer it

ireland is perfectly able to run itself down

Octavia Ashy Suffix wrote: »

Good luck finding craic like that in Canada with your one pint a month!

yeah, because you need to be locked to have fun alright

Mully_2011

This would be a great country if it was managed correctly. I'm 22 and I'm about to enter my last year in college in September and I'd love to stay but I don't think I could get a job here

Helix

Mully_2011 wrote: »

This would be a great country if it was managed correctly

and if antisocial behaviour wasnt tolerated

and if it wasnt corrupt

and if there was any foresight

and if the people didn't have a collective "ah sure it could be worse" attitude

and if there was encouragement for increased business

and if tax money was used properly

and if there were proper facilities and amenities

and if alcoholism wasn't swept aside as being "just the craic"

Mully_2011

Helix wrote: »

and if antisocial behaviour wasnt tolerated

and if it wasnt corrupt

and if there was any foresight

and if the people didn't have a collective "ah sure it could be worse" attitude

and if there was encouragement for increased business

and if tax money was used properly

and if there were proper facilities and amenities

and if alcoholism wasn't swept aside as being "just the craic"

Thats what I meant a proper Government would work wonders for this country instead the local Go gooder gob****es the usually get elected.

Helix

Mully_2011 wrote: »

Thats what I meant a proper Government would work wonders for this country instead the local Go gooder gob****es the usually get elected.

i agree, proper governance of any country would make a huge difference in its attractiveness and quality of life. too many people are happy to vote for yer man down the road who got grannys wall fixed, or so and so's son, because his daddy did a grand job

hooradiation

Octavia Ashy Suffix wrote: »

a good hard kick in the hole would do you no harm and hopefully you will run down Ireland in front of someone who will administer it.

HOW DARE YOU FEEL DIFFERENTLY ABOUT THINGS THAN I DO, SOMEONE HAD BEST THRASH YOU FOR THAT HORRIBLE CRIME!

charlemont

Helix wrote: »

and if antisocial behaviour wasnt tolerated

and if it wasnt corrupt

and if there was any foresight

and if the people didn't have a collective "ah sure it could be worse" attitude

and if there was encouragement for increased business

and if tax money was used properly

and if there were proper facilities and amenities

and if alcoholism wasn't swept aside as being "just the craic"

I got to agree with the above. Although there is a lot of issues at play regarding the Alcohol abuse.

csi vegas

Helix wrote: »

i travel to the states a fair bit for work and haven't really been anywhere i'd ever consider living. but it's possible down the line that work might compel me to move to california in a few years, so i may have no say in that

Have you been to Vancouver? I read somewhere that it's a beautiful (and fairly compact) city, near the US border - best of both worlds it sounds to me

Helix

csi vegas wrote: »

Have you been to Vancouver? I read somewhere that it's a beautiful (and fairly compact) city, near the US border - best of both worlds it sounds to me

vancouver is a lovely place. very expensive for property, but it's beautiful. really moderate climate (quite like ireland's, with as much rain), beautiful scenery and one of the most laid back atmospheres ive ever experienced. couldn't recommend it enough as a city

pretty bad drug problems in certain parts, and a large number of homeless people though

csi vegas

Originally Posted by Micky Dolenz

Give me a mild day with soft rain over a blazing sun any day.
The trick to living a nice life in Ireland is to take up hobbies that will see you getting wet, surfing, canoeing, diving etc. doesn't matter if it's raining or not.

fat__tony wrote: »

Jesus, such deluded nonsense!

Yeah we'd all prefer rain over blazing sunshine, sure..:rolleyes:

Micky Dolenz - the most reposted quote of the thread!

fat_tony - lest we not forget the hobbies that will see you getting wet!

dd972

Been to Vancouver myself only for a trip though, very nice and liveable place, not sure if I'd go out all that way to live myself but I'd recommend it for a trip if you're scouting around looking for an alternative place to live.

Canadians have always struck me as having brought the best aspects of Europe with them, more so than the Yanks when they colonized North America

token101

Helix wrote: »

ireland is enough a disgrace to itself.

do you think there's a reason why people come back saying how great it is outside ireland? maybe, just maybe, that's because ireland actually is a backwards jokeshop of a country?

Fair enough, you don't like the place. But any credibility you had just went out the door with a daft statement like that. Ireland is consistently ranked in the top ten for living standards even with the economic/employment/healthcare problems.

I'm leaving soon enough for Australia, not because Ireland is so bad, just want to experience something new while I have the chance. I'd say I'll come back eventually, but who knows.

csi vegas

Helix wrote: »

vancouver is a lovely place. very expensive for property, but it's beautiful. really moderate climate (quite like ireland's, with as much rain), beautiful scenery and one of the most laid back atmospheres ive ever experienced. couldn't recommend it enough as a city

pretty bad drug problems in certain parts, and a large number of homeless people though

Sounds cool. Not unlike San Fransisco (with regards to homelessness and junkies) albeit on a much smaller scale.

By the way - did you know (!) *fact coming* the homeless of San Fransisco were sent there by the government, around/back in?, from places like New York and Boston because of the harsh cold winters experienced there, so as to alleviate the problems they would face living outdoors - milder weather etc

Dangerous Man

Average price for a house in Vancouver is $750,000. It's ludicrous.

Misty Chaos

Myself, I just don't see myself living out my life here in Ireland.

There are many reasons for that, many of which have being mentioned already. The general lack of opportunity. The general cultural attitude towards alcohol. The fact there are generally sod all facilities for youth ( even more so if like me, you're NOT into sports! ) The way the country is run. The shite weather, things like that.

I'm aware that I am generalizing a bit here, I'm aware of the whole grass is greener thing but there is not much keeping me here and I've always wanted to travel, even before this whole recession hit. I've never being one of blind patriotism and don't really have many friends I'll miss when I leave.

With that, I plan on going to Oz in November, like countless other Irish. Not to go on the p!ss all the time ( there will be a time and place for that ) but to actually spend my time travelling and seeing the place while I'm there. Who knows, maybe something will happen that will result in me staying there.

That all said and done, I'd still like to come back to Ireland to die or at the very least be buried here, as morbid as that sounds. I personally just don't want to raise a family here.

Wompa1

I was born in America, half of my family is here and my mother who is American was a very strong influence in my life. I always felt like I had to try living in America. So nearly 6 months ago I took a job in Phoenix, Arizona.

I love it here BUT it's made me realize I see my future in Ireland. There's things here that are much better than how we do it at home but having grown up and barely left Ireland over 27 years, it is my home. And I only have 3 friends left there too but still, that's where my heart is.

I was luck enough to travel to Australia for work last year. I'd never pick Australia over Ireland. Not in a million years

csi vegas

token101 wrote: »

Fair enough, you don't like the place. But any credibility you had just went out the door with a daft statement like that

In these and other similar comments made to Helix, I'd just like to intervene here and say that this is an internet forum and does not at all reflect a typical, real life conversation that Helix may or may not have with another person face to face.

Some other poster mentioned there might be trouble if Helix were to 'drop this in a conversation' - but seriously trouble? From who? Those here in Ireland jealous of not being able to leave?
And I doubt very much that anyone in Helix's new country of residence would give a damn if he/she were to discuss their grievances with the place. People the world over always see the greener grass and want to graze on it.

Ok, I get that some backs are up about the slightest hint of slating of Ireland but in all fairness home is where you feel you belong, not necessarily where you were born.

csi vegas

Dangerous Man wrote: »

Average price for a house in Vancouver is $750,000. It's ludicrous.

:eek: I wish I could make this bigger AND have an arrow point at it

Sea Filly

Misty Chaos wrote: »

I've never being one of blind patriotism ...

You don't need to be patriotic to be happy to stay here. You just need to have an understanding that every country on the earth has its problems.

csi vegas wrote: »

Ok, I get that some backs are up about the slightest hint of slating of Ireland

Hmmm, not sure that's fair, a lot of us who are happy to stay see things are not perfect here. It's just that some people in this thread are VERY over the top about the country's shortcomings.

Helix

csi vegas wrote: »

Sounds cool. Not unlike San Fransisco (with regards to homelessness and junkies) albeit on a much smaller scale.

By the way - did you know (!) *fact coming* the homeless of San Fransisco were sent there by the government, around/back in?, from places like New York and Boston because of the harsh cold winters experienced there, so as to alleviate the problems they would face living outdoors - milder weather etc

yeah lots of people make the comparison between SF and vancouver alright. having been to both though, i don't really see it. im not all that partial to SF, but im not sure why. ive no legitimate reason not really to have liked it. i suspect it may have been because it was my first trip to the states and it was all work related

Helix

csi vegas wrote: »

:eek: I wish I could make this bigger AND have an arrow point at it

that's not for a big house either

csi vegas

Misty Chaos wrote: »

The general lack of opportunity. The general cultural attitude towards alcohol. The fact there are generally sod all facilities for youth

I see you list your location as Cork. I hope you're not from Buttevant - there's this little playground which is eternally empty - and they used to have a big sign up that said "let's do it for the kids!" which was promptly defaced by the local 'elder' youth, by scribbling over the 'IT FOR' part! Youth facilities Iiiirrreland-style! snigger

Misty Chaos wrote: »

I've never being one of blind patriotism and don't really have many friends I'll miss when I leave.

I once worked with a man, 50's age range and one day we had a chat about holidays. He said it's Killarney all the way for him - he's never left Ireland and he never will (not even on a ferry to France, never mind the UK)
- AS HE'S A REPUBLICAN...'nuff said...

Misty Chaos wrote: »

That all said and done, I'd still like to come back to Ireland to die or at the very least be buried here, as morbid as that sounds.

Misty Chaos wrote: »

I personally just don't want to raise a family here

Would not blame you.

crapmanjoe

Sea Filly wrote: »

You don't need to be patriotic to be happy to stay here. You just need to have an understanding that every planet on the earth has its problems.

Hang on - there is more planets on earth that we can go to.

*runs off to find spaceship*

Sea Filly

crapmanjoe wrote: »

Hang on - there is more planets on earth that we can go to.

*runs off to find spaceship*

Heh, bit distracted by another thread I'm posting in.

boo3000

I love Ireland and i've a lot of ties here but the corruption and cronyism in this country makes me want to leave.

I don't know how much these things are accounted for in quality of life surveys but it matters a lot to me that i can live somewhere where i can have some degree of trust in the institutions that are supposed to benefit a society.

I don't get that in Ireland i constantly feel i'm being lied to and mislead.

I know that nowhere's perfect and every society has it's flaws but the notions of civic responsibility and public accountability matter to me and we fall way behind on these.

I'd love to think that things could change here but i think that these problems are too deeply engrained in our corridors of power.

jazzzzy

I sincerely hope not, however, if there is one thing I regret in life, it's not keeping up a European language -_-

Jackies green army

20 now, and for the first 18 years of my life I thought this place was the business and could never see myself leaving but I have started to see real faults in the country most notably the weather and the corruption and cronyism that exists in this country. I'm also growing tired of the overtly conservative nature of the people, people in Ireland are far too bitter about others success, they prefer to complain and critiscise about his/her luck rather than to try an emulate it.

Princess Peach

Someone living in Ireland posts they don't like living here. Usual response: Why don't you just move then!

Someone who doesn't like living in Ireland so left: How dare you not want to come back!

If I traveled to another country and said I didn't like it for reasons, nobody would probably care. People are allowed to say the same for Ireland, in fact they probably have more informed opinions having grown up there. So what!

I don't love Ireland, I don't hate it either. I'll probably move back, but the main reason is cause my family and friends are there. In an ideal situation I'd just like to ship them to some lovely place I'd like to live