So.. I have paid 100 euro for property tax

Teyla Emmagan

PC CDROM wrote: »

Raise income tax.

Very fair with regards to actual income.

No brainer.

Do you have a PAYE income, as a matter of interest?

PC CDROM

dxhound2005 wrote: »

You are in the majority, more than half of the target of €161 million has been collected. I read a week ago that 10,000 had paid following the first set of reminder letters being sent out. This would have generated and extra €140,000 in revenue because of the late payment penalty. The outstanding charge remains attached to the title of the property and will have to be discharged before the property can change hands so it will be collected eventually. Some people are saying that the charge will be abolished after the next election but for this to happen the law will have to be removed from statute books. I cannot see any combination of parties which will do that and deny themselves in government of an income stream which is the norm in all other developed countries.

So I think you did the right thing by not breaking the law and loading up penalties and legal difficulties for yourself or others in the future. There is evidence already that conveyancing solicitors are insisting that the charge is discharged in full (as they are legally obliged to do) before title can change hands. Every house will have to change hands eventually.

All of this was pointed out extensively in the other threads but maybe new people are reading this one and being misled by the "Dont Register, Dont Pay" campaign. It would be worthwhile for anyone concerned to read the actual legislation.

http://www.oireachtas.ie/documents/bills28/bills/2011/7411/b7411s.pdf

Does that mean I can legally avoid paying the charge on the promise that I will pay all monies owed when I sell my house?

Happy days?

opinionated3

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Marcin_diy wrote: »

I have paid 100 euro for property tax. Now almost half a year later 500.000 households still didn't pay it. What is government doing to get these money? is there any justice, or am I just stupid and officials won't bother to collect rest of money?

You are in the majority, more than half of the target of €161 million has been collected. I read a week ago that 10,000 had paid following the first set of reminder letters being sent out. This would have generated and extra €140,000 in revenue because of the late payment penalty. The outstanding charge remains attached to the title of the property and will have to be discharged before the property can change hands so it will be collected eventually. Some people are saying that the charge will be abolished after the next election but for this to happen the law will have to be removed from statute books. I cannot see any combination of parties which will do that and deny themselves in government of an income stream which is the norm in all other developed countries.

So I think you did the right thing by not breaking the law and loading up penalties and legal difficulties for yourself or others in the future. There is evidence already that conveyancing solicitors are insisting that the charge is discharged in full (as they are legally obliged to do) before title can change hands. Every house will have to change hands eventually.

All of this was pointed out extensively in the other threads but maybe new people are reading this one and being misled by the "Dont Register, Dont Pay" campaign. It would be worthwhile for anyone concerned to read the actual legislation.

http://www.oireachtas.ie/documents/bills28/bills/2011/7411/b7411s.pdf

Holy crap.....didn't realise Hogan was a boardsie!!

PC CDROM

Teyla Emmagan wrote: »

Do you have a PAYE income, as a matter of interest?

Dunno tbh.

PRSI?

I have a normal job with normal taxes.

dxhound2005

PC CDROM wrote: »

Does that mean I can legally avoid paying the charge on the promise that I will pay all monies owed when I sell my house?

Happy days?

Who would you make the promise to?

Teyla Emmagan

PC CDROM wrote: »

Dunno tbh.

PRSI?

I have a normal job with normal taxes.

Ok, you do then. Most people already paying half their income in various taxes aren't that keen on paying any more of it. Just sayin'.

PC CDROM

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Who would you make the promise to?

Whut?

Teyla Emmagan wrote: »

Ok, you do then. Most people already paying half their income in various taxes aren't that keen on paying any more of it. Just sayin'.

It is a fairer system.

Tax what people earn. Simple really. 40% of 100 euro versus 40% of 1,000,000

I'd like the later

Ghost Buster

ScumLord wrote: »

That's what happens when you build your house in the arse end of nowhere. If you want services build in a town.

Where did i say i want services? I knew what I was getting when building in a rural area. I just dont want to pay for something i dont get.

kr7

maddragon wrote: »

Don't be too hasty. If it's printed on a nice soft parchment, I'll wipe my arse with it first. Waste not want not.

Trevor would like that.

Ghandee

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Some people are saying that the charge will be abolished after the next election but for this to happen the law will have to be removed from statute books. I cannot see any combination of parties which will do that and deny themselves in government of an income stream

Or, deny themselves of a complete and utter headache that was never planned right, nor implemented right from day one.

Then propose to raise these 'much needed' funds through a fairer more equitable manner than placing what is essentially a ground rent on the family home.

(and don't get me started on the services we're already paying for)

Introduce rates like they do in the north, and add the services that go with them. :

http://www.belfastcity.gov.uk/rates/money.asp

Then, abolish all the fees we get for paying separately for said services, and then id consider paying.

Teyla Emmagan

PC CDROM wrote: »

It is a fairer system.

Tax what people earn. Simple really. 40% of 100 euro versus 40% of 1,000,000

I'd like the later

So you think we should first establish a property register, and then link it to the income the person who owns that property is making? All grand, only it will be about 2047 before we have that tee'd up.

kr7

PC CDROM wrote: »

Does that mean I can legally avoid paying the charge on the promise that I will pay all monies owed when I sell my house?

Happy days?

Brilliant!

I'm not moving house until I die.

I'll let the kids pay, it's the least they can do.

Ghandee

PC CDROM wrote: »

Does that mean I can legally avoid paying the charge on the promise that I will pay all monies owed when I sell my house?

Happy days?

What dx won't tell you is, the charge only applies for twelve years.

In 2024, FG and this scam will be but a distant memory.

Save your cash, spend your hundred euro on something nice for the kids/other half.
Next year, save your grand and go on a holiday.

Don't throw it into the black hole which is the bank guarantee though.

jsd1004

billyhead wrote: »

So the majority of posters here are in favour of breaking the law by not paying charge that was brought into law. I suppose if you felt you might get away with it you would try to avoid paying car tax, income tax ext

Id have no problem not paying my car tax either if i could get away with it. Actually now you mention it you could include tv/income/dog etc

OU812

Hers's my take on it, which is probably worth the same at the charge..

I'm not against it, in fact I think it's a fair enough tax (charge). But it has to be paid by everyone. Every single person in the country of taxable age should pay it regardless of status -employed/SW recipient, regardless of property ownership - owner/renter.

Until that point, I'm not paying.

I heard on the radio today that revenue are going the be collecting it, which meant it's going to become an additional tax on the payslip. So what about the unemployed/self employed ?

This is a monumental screwup in terms of introduction & execution & the only logical way around it is for everyone to be responsible for paying it.

Why should an employed home owner have to pay a charge that an unemployed or renter doesn't have to pay ? By logic, the unemployed will most probably avail of the local services like parks & libraries more often than someone who's trying to hold a job down. Yes, that person also avails of roads/emergency services etc, but not any more than the unemployed.

I'll happily go to jail. It's my democratic right to object to my government's treatment of their people & I'm objecting.

kr7

OU812 wrote: »

Hers's my take on it, which is probably worth the same at the charge..

I'm not against it, in fact I think it's a fair enough tax (charge). But it has to be paid by everyone. Every single person in the country of taxable age should pay it regardless of status -employed/SW recipient, regardless of property ownership - owner/renter.

Until that point, I'm not paying.

I heard on the radio today that revenue are going the be collecting it, which meant it's going to become an additional tax on the payslip. So what about the unemployed/self employed ?

This is a monumental screwup in terms of introduction & execution & the only logical way around it is for everyone to be responsible for paying it.

Why should an employed home owner have to pay a charge that an unemployed or renter doesn't have to pay ? By logic, the unemployed will most probably avail of the local services like parks & libraries more often than someone who's trying to hold a job down. Yes, that person also avails of roads/emergency services etc, but not any more than the unemployed.

I'll happily go to jail. It's my democratic right to object to my government's treatment of their people & I'm objecting.

Well said!
I agree 100%.

DoesNotCompute

staker wrote: »

I still haven't received the warning letter about non-payment. Were they actually sent out or is that all pie in the sky?

The first round of letters were sent to people on the NPPR and PTRB databases, i.e. Landlords, owners of holiday homes, etc. Since the majority of people on these threads don't fall into this category, they wouldn't have received a letter yet.

Just wait until the second round of letters get sent out to everyone else, then the fun will start

Almost all householders who received letters will have been second-home owners already liable to pay the non-principal private residence or second home tax. These homeowners were identified using the NPPR data base and the register of private rented accommodation held by the Private Residential Tenancies Board.

However, the new round of letters will be sent to non-payers who have been identified using sources such as the Revenue Commissioners, ESB Networks and the Department of Social Protection.

Ghandee

DoesNotCompute wrote: »

The first round of letters were sent to people on the NPPR and PTRB databases, i.e. Landlords, owners of holiday homes, etc. Since the majority of people on these threads don't fall into this category, they wouldn't have received a letter yet.

Just wait until the second round of letters get sent out to everyone else, then the fun will start

A letter you say?

My face sure will be Scarlett it I get one of those bad boys :eek:

ScumLord

crazy cabbage wrote: »

I see where you are coming from but at the same time i do not want a city/town life. Simple as. If that means i dont get the same quality of services from the goverment well then fair enough (not that they give that much service anyway).

I still don't think one off housing is a good idea, Ireland has an awful sprawl of housing, its is a drain on resources and it is destroying the Irish countryside. The end result of one off housing in the countryside is that Ireland will become one big urban area that can't be run and the end of the Irish countryside. It's inevitable.

I cant stand citys. They are ugly, noisy and messy. The people are meaner (no offense intended), there is no fresh air. No trees. People dont say hello when you pass them on the road.

I agree completely, with regards Irish cities at least. They're nothing more than overgrown towns. Even then most cities around the world are nice places to visit but I wouldn't like to live there. It can be done right though, I wouldn't mind living somewhere like Amsterdam it's a really nice city even without the weed.

The Zeitgeist city would be a good solution to urban/rural living. Although I haven't seen a Zeitgeist city that doesn't look like the most dull place to live but it's only a concept at this stage.

I don't hold anything against people living in the country next to their homestead but I think it's a way of living that is destroying this country slowly but surely and we all need to have some responsibility when it comes to protecting this country from ruin. It's one of those bad things we do without noticing.

dxhound2005

Ghandee wrote: »

What dx won't tell you is, the charge only applies for twelve years.

In 2024, FG and this scam will be but a distant memory.

Save your cash, spend your hundred euro on something nice for the kids/other half.
Next year, save your grand and go on a holiday.

Don't throw it into the black hole which is the bank guarantee though.

Before deciding that this is a good course of action be aware that in the real world people are already facing the reality that they cannot sell their houses if the charge is not paid. If you manage to defy the law for 12 years good luck.

http://www.askaboutmoney.com/showthread.php?t=167397

Hi
I have recently sold my house, sale closed about a fortnight ago. I could not close the sale without paying the household charge. The solicitor put it into contract that I would pay the charge but that the buyer would refund 75% of it as she will own the house for the remainder of the year but she would not agree so essentially I had to pay it.

I think it is whoever owns the house on the 1st January that is liabale for the charge


I cannot predict the future but I would be willing to take a bet with anyone that no future government up to 2024 will abolish this law. Fianna Fail now say they made a mistake by abolishing the previous property tax in 1977 and they support the current version. Fine Gael and Labour no chance. Sinn Fein, get it in writing if they tell you so. In the North they made no effort in government to abolish the property tax there. So that leaves the Socialist Party and Mick Wallace, Richard Boyd Barret etc. How likely is it that they will be in government?

Ghandee

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Before deciding that this is a good course of action be aware that in the real world people are already facing the reality that they cannot sell their houses if the charge is not paid. If you manage to defy the law for 12 years good luck.

http://www.askaboutmoney.com/showthread.php?t=167397

Hi
I have recently sold my house, sale closed about a fortnight ago. I could not close the sale without paying the household charge. The solicitor put it into contract that I would pay the charge but that the buyer would refund 75% of it as she will own the house for the remainder of the year but she would not agree so essentially I had to pay it.

I think it is whoever owns the house on the 1st January that is liabale for the charge


I cannot predict the future but I would be willing to take a bet with anyone that no future government up to 2024 will abolish this law. Fianna Fail now say they made a mistake by abolishing the previous property tax in 1977 and they support the current version. Fine Gael and Labour no chance. Sinn Fein, get it in writing if they tell you so. In the North they made no effort in government to abolish the property tax there. So that leaves the Socialist Party and Mick Wallace, Richard Boyd Barret etc. How likely is it that they will be in government?

Well I don't foresee property prices rising in any significant way that I could even entertain the thought of selling my house, and as we seen today in the news property prices dropped again last month,b so twelve years may be enough time to see a rise in property value to pull me out of negative equity. So that idea its not entirely out the window.

As for your views on Wallace and Co in govt.

I agree with your views on that 110% [something we do agree on]

OU812

DoesNotCompute wrote: »

The first round of letters were sent to people on the NPPR and PTRB databases, i.e. Landlords, owners of holiday homes, etc. Since the majority of people on these threads don't fall into this category, they wouldn't have received a letter yet.

Just wait until the second round of letters get sent out to everyone else, then the fun will start

I'm (supposed to be) on both of those databases. Haven't paid it & haven't received any letter. I have paid the NPPR charge though which maybe is why I didn't

Larbre34

First off I havent paid and wont be paying. The State gets 35,000 in PAYE/USC off my partner and me annually, plus 1100 motor tax, TV licence, levys on every policy we have, VAT, DIRT and the partridge in a pear tree. Plus we pay 1000 to manage our private estate. I couldnt give a toss whether the HC is the law or a category in Alan Hughes's Family Fortunes, theyve got enough from my household. If that requires me to ask the Quinns and Seanie Fitz to move up in the bed then so be it.

A few things in particular bug and bemuse me about the farce that is the household charge. All social housing has been exempted, regardless of whether they have people working in the particular house, so even if mammy daddy and 3 or 4 grown up kids all have jobs or other incomes they still dont have to pay.

Also, its amusing to see the number of letters to newspapers bitching and moaning about local services that usually end with "is this what I paid my household charge for??" Even if every cent of it due was collected, ie about 160 million, that would cover the current budget of ONE city or county council in Ireland. That only leaves 33 more to fund. If the full cost of local government were to be burdened onto households, the property tax would eventually end up at just over €4,000. Now isnt that a nice round figure??

Its a slippery slope, show Hogan up for the incompetent he is, do not register, do not pay.

Ghandee

Larbre34 wrote: »

First off I havent paid and wont be paying. The State gets 35,000 in PAYE/USC off my partner and me annually, plus 1100 motor tax, TV licence, levys on every policy we have, VAT, DIRT and the partridge in a pear tree. Plus we pay 1000 to manage our private estate. I couldnt give a toss whether the HC is the law or a category in Alan Hughes's Family Fortunes, theyve got enough from my household. If that requires me to ask the Quinns and Seanie Fitz to move up in the bed then so be it.

A few things in particular bug and bemuse me about the farce that is the household charge. All social housing has been exempted, regardless of whether they have people working in the particular house, so even if mammy daddy and 3 or 4 grown up kids all have jobs or other incomes they still dont have to pay.

Also, its amusing to see the number of letters to newspapers bitching and moaning about local services that usually end with "is this what I paid my household charge for??" Even if every cent of it due was collected, ie about 160 million, that would cover the current budget of ONE city or county council in Ireland. That only leaves 33 more to fund. If the full cost of local government were to be burdened onto households, the property tax would eventually end up at just over €4,000. Now isnt that a nice round figure??

Its a slippery slope, show Hogan up for the incompetent he is, do not register, do not pay.

But its the law?



Well said btw.

Joey the lips

My Car insurence is due.

I have a bill for a&e

a car service is due.

road tax is due on her car

service is due on her car.

Most of these are required to ensure we can earn to pay tax to the govt.

Where do you think the 100 euro ranks on this list.....


Oh yeah and this is before back to school kicks in....

Duiske

eth0 wrote: »

Enjoy paying 300-1000e every year to be allowed stay in your own house from now on.

Fine Gael will never let it get that far. Its longstanding party policy. See this from 1994. http://irishelectionliterature.wordpress.com/2010/01/16/they-will-tax-the-roof-over-your-head-fine-gael-anti-property-tax-leaflet-1994/

Sam Kade

Joey the lips wrote: »

My Car insurence is due.

I have a bill for a&e

a car service is due.

road tax is due on her car

service is due on her car.

Most of these are required to ensure we can earn to pay tax to the govt.

Where do you think the 100 euro ranks on this list.....


Oh yeah and this is before back to school kicks in....

You could learn to change the oil in your car and her car that would leave you with plenty money for paying the charge

Joey the lips

Sam Kade wrote: »

You could learn to change the oil in your car and her car that would leave you with plenty money for paying the charge

True, Warrenty issues with mine and millage with hers.... plus that wont pay the other bills.

SafeSurfer

Sam Kade wrote: »

You could learn to change the oil in your car and her car that would leave you with plenty money for paying the charge

Personally I will be pulling out all my family's teeth. We will only eat nourishing soup and will save 100 euro per annum in toothpaste and toothbrushes not to mention the tooth fairy.

If the charge rises we have 8 good kidneys in this house so can sell at least 4.

See folks just a little sacrifice and I will be able to afford the privilege of living in my own home without being prosecuted.

crazy cabbage

ScumLord wrote: »

I still don't think one off housing is a good idea, Ireland has an awful sprawl of housing, its is a drain on resources and it is destroying the Irish countryside. The end result of one off housing in the countryside is that Ireland will become one big urban area that can't be run and the end of the Irish countryside. It's inevitable.

I do believe that there needs to be much stricter planing and building regulations, for many reasons including stanabality and asthetics and fitting in with the landscape and all the rest of it. I will be the first to admit that there is too much one of housing but i think a ban on it would do more harm than good. It could destroy a way of life. I agree that it could be detramental but with proper regulations in place i think it would be sastanabale.

I wouldn't mind living somewhere like Amsterdam it's a really nice city even without the weed.

Dont get me started about weed or i will rant for hours and have to many peoples distate in another tread... I have never been though. I hear it is a lovely city. will proberly visit as some stage.

The Zeitgeist city would be a good solution to urban/rural living. Although I haven't seen a Zeitgeist city that doesn't look like the most dull place to live but it's only a concept at this stage.

Do you mind me asking what a zeitgeist city is. I tryed to look it up but all i was getting was 'the mood of a nation expressed in its peoples beliefs' and similar. I am not getting that reference. It is late though and im tired so may get it in the morning

I don't hold anything against people living in the country next to their homestead but I think it's a way of living that is destroying this country slowly but surely and we all need to have some responsibility when it comes to protecting this country from ruin. It's one of those bad things we do without noticing.

I agree 100%. There is so much that needs to be changed though. It is unfair to blame it on rural living (and i know you are not). So much still needs to be done with regardes environmental stanability, 'green' energy, health care, hemp/cannabis laws, banking system ect ect. I could go on but you get the point.

Personaly i think the whole monetary system needs to be rethought or thrown in the bin. I dont want to come across as a hippy but i think society needs to take a cuple of steps back in order to move forward in a way that is sustanable. Our current system, while has given us many benifits is also killing our planet. This system is fuled by greed and love of power. Have never go anyone to side with me on that issue though so i wont dig myself a hole.

bgrizzley

dxhound2005 wrote: »

So I think you did the right thing by not breaking the law and loading up penalties and legal difficulties for yourself or others in the future. There is evidence already that conveyancing solicitors are insisting that the charge is discharged in full (as they are legally obliged to do) before title can change hands. Every house will have to change hands eventually.

Dx, when are you going to realise that the vast majority of ordinary people buy their home to live in, rear a family, grow old and spend the rest of their live in. Its not all about buying and selling houses, that sh1te is what put this feckin country up the creek in the first place.

People, dont pay a groundrent to chancer politicians, on the house you already own, for services you already pay for!!

bluecode

To answer the original question, they sent my wife a letter about her house in Dublin. Which she is now renting because she couldn't sell it. She could care less. If or when the property tax comes in, she won't be able to pay it. But we'll make sure the tenant forks up.

On the other hand they haven't caught up with us yet in our present house. We sleep well at night.

We sleep better from laughing ourselves to sleep at the fools who paid the charge, thus ensuring they will be the first to get caught for the full property tax when it comes into law.

Well done fools.:D

The Very Hungry Catterpillar

If as is being reported the Revenue Commissioners take over responsibility for collecting property tax they have a ready to go database of all property owners, i.e. if you purchased or sold property you will have given your PPS number to your Solicitor when the transaction completed, same will have been submitted to the Revenue together with details of the purchase price, type of property etc etc and stamp duty if you were liable for same. Not sure why they didn't do this in the first place instead of local authorities collecting it.

Elfinknight

Marcin_diy wrote: »

I have paid 100 euro for property tax. Now almost half a year later 500.000 households still didn't pay it. What is government doing to get these money? is there any justice, or am I just stupid and officials won't bother to collect rest of money?

Hi All.

If you have paid your house hold tax, and are now worried that those of us who have not are going to get away with it, you should have thought long and hard about it before you parted with you're money and joined us.

A brilliant result would have been if the only people that paid it were the politicians who voted it in, then they'd have seen how hated this tax really is.

To the poster that implied that those of us who have not paid the tax don't pay out income tax or road tax etc., it may be true of some people, but you can be sure that 99% of us are doing it to make a stand.

I have no problem paying my road tax- it's supposed to pay for the upkeep of the roads. but then I avoid the tolls, because i pay the road tax.

I pay my PAYE, it's meant to help run the country. (Not line fatcat politician pockets)

I even pay my PRSI and USC which were meant to be charges We could claim against when we need medical attention but now can barely get my teeth checked with.

If it helps, I'll try put things into perspective for you.

Since the start of the year I've been trying to keep a record of what we pay to the Government, both Local and National, in terms of taxes. What I've included was PAYE, PRSI, USC, Road Tax, Stamp Duties on my cards, VAT, DIRT, Dog licence and TV licences.

Anyway the result so far this year is about 15,500. and thats not including the 58 cent per litre petrol excise duty that they get for the petrol We put into the cars

You might ask me if We're paying that much already, whats another 100 Euro .

My question is since We're contributing that much already to the country's coffers, Why are they even asking for another 100 Euros.

Sorry for the long winded post folks, and apologies if anybody has taken insult from what i have said. None is intended, but there is only so much people can take in this country.

dxhound2005

bluecode wrote: »

To answer the original question, they sent my wife a letter about her house in Dublin. Which she is now renting because she couldn't sell it. She could care less. If or when the property tax comes in, she won't be able to pay it. But we'll make sure the tenant forks up.

On the other hand they haven't caught up with us yet in our present house. We sleep well at night.

We sleep better from laughing ourselves to sleep at the fools who paid the charge, thus ensuring they will be the first to get caught for the full property tax when it comes into law.

Well done fools.:D

That second house would be liable for NPPR. If she hasn't paid that and she owned the house since 2009 she will now have run up a bill of €2240 rising by €80 per month.

https://www.nppr.ie/Faq.aspx#fk0

Also she would need to be careful not to fall foul of the Revenue Commissioners by not paying tax on the rental income.

Marcin_diy

Kidchameleon wrote: »

OP,

Have you paid the late payment fees yet?

I didn't have to - I paid on time.

dmmnnba wrote: »

The local authorities are just waiting for the penalties to mount up to make it worthwhile pursuing those who haven't paid.
Just as they are doing now with the NPPR.

More penalties mount up - less money authorities get, so waiting is not good,

But now seriously - my understanding is that we are all under the same law, and more than 50% of households paid fee, so I think I'm right to ask question what are authoriries doing to collect all money. It sounds like joke for me at the moment...

I paid, as property tax is nothing new for me and I' was surprised I didn't have to pay one when I bought property here in Ireland.

Don't get me wrong here I don't want to have half of my neighbours jailed , but why my money was taken, and i can't hear anything about others who didn't pay? I fight with tv licence for example, as I don't listen to the radio, don't have Irish channels connected to my tv, I get signal from satellite from country where I was born, and I don't understand why I need to pay 160 euro for something I don't want to use.

Elfinknight

Marcin_diy wrote: »

I didn't have to - I paid on time.


More penalties mount up - less money authorities get, so waiting is not good,

But now seriously - my understanding is that we are all under the same law, and more than 50% of households paid fee, so I think I'm right to ask question what are authoriries doing to collect all money. It sounds like joke for me at the moment...

I paid, as property tax is nothing new for me and I' was surprised I didn't have to pay one when I bought property here in Ireland.

Don't get me wrong here I don't want to have half of my neighbours jailed , but why my money was taken, and i can't hear anything about others who didn't pay? I fight with tv licence for example, as I don't listen to the radio, don't have Irish channels connected to my tv, I get signal from satellite from country where I was born, and I don't understand why I need to pay 160 euro for something I don't want to use.

There is actually debate as to whether or not over 50% of households have paid the tax. The government would like us to think so as it validates they're intrpoduction of the tax. The no side dont think that the 50% figure has been met for various reasons. I myself hope it has not been met, proving that the Irish aren't sheep andare willing to stand for what they believe in.

murraykil

The Government have put themselves in a difficult position now; they need to collect household tax round two without having fully collected round one.

It will be even more difficult for them to enforce round two collection if so many have still not paid round one.

THE property tax could end up being higher than it needs to be because large numbers of people are set to defy the law and not pay it.

This is likely to mean the average household that does pay the tax will have to pick up the tab and cough up €300 instead of €200, tax expert Christine Keily of taxback.com said.

Half of householders have not registered or paid the household charges and similar levels of evasion are likely with the new property tax, she said.

Registering for the household charge is needed by the Government to work out how many houses will be liable for the property tax.

Unless there is a major change by the end of the year, the country is faced with a situation where the compliant half of households will end up stumping up for the other half who are evading the household or property tax.

...

Irish Independent

Am Chile

murraykil wrote: »

The Government have put themselves in a difficult position now; they need to collect household tax round two without having fully collected round one.

It will be even more difficult for them to enforce round two collection if so many have still not paid round one.



Irish Independent

The Indo once again trying to divide people-the argument it will be higher because of non payment is BS its gonna be high anyway-with todays annoucement the revenue are set to collect it next year means it will more then likely be deducted at source-they still have find the other half of people who didn't register to be able to deduct at source for them also-they can go through esb bills but someones name on a esb bill won't prove ownership of a property, so how do they plan to get the names of those who never registered to able to deduct from their incomes ?

dxhound2005

Elfinknight wrote: »

There is actually debate as to whether or not over 50% of households have paid the tax. The government would like us to think so as it validates they're intrpoduction of the tax. The no side dont think that the 50% figure has been met for various reasons. I myself hope it has not been met, proving that the Irish aren't sheep andare willing to stand for what they believe in.

Since there has been no property tax in this country since 1977 there was no necessity to maintain a database of properties. For this reason it was only possible to estimate how many properties would be liable and this was put at 1.61 million meaning with 100% compliance €161 million would be collected. The amount collected to date is about €98 million quite a good return from a self registration system. With the reminder letters being issued it should see a position of perhaps 75% compliance (of the 1.61 million) by year end.

There is a debate about how many private properties there are in the country following the release of some census statistics subsequent to the 1.61 million estimate. As far as I know we are the only country in the world to have abandoned an existing property tax regime and it is not suprising that reintroducing it 35 years later will take a lot of work. If there are more properties than the original estimate that will just mean more revenue from the tax in future years. One thing that has been established from the introduction of the NPPR in 2009 is that at least 340,000 houses are in the hands of people who own more than one home.

murraykil

Am Chile wrote: »

The Indo once again trying to divide people-the argument it will be higher because of non payment is BS its gonna be high anyway-with todays annoucement the revenue are set to collect it next year means it will more then likely be deducted at source-they still have find the other half of people who didn't register to be able to deduct at source for them also-they can go through esb bills but someones name on a esb bill won't prove ownership of a property, so how do they plan to get the names of those who never registered to able to deduct from their incomes ?

I'm sure they don't know themselves yet how they will do it!

It would not sure surprise me that they will make it higher for those who do pay to make up for those that don't. They charge is not based on each house should paying a suitable amount to cover local authority charges, it's based on the IMF telling the Gov that they need to collect e500 million each year in extra tax.

Elfinknight

bluecode wrote: »

To answer the original question, they sent my wife a letter about her house in Dublin. Which she is now renting because she couldn't sell it. She could care less. If or when the property tax comes in, she won't be able to pay it. But we'll make sure the tenant forks up.

On the other hand they haven't caught up with us yet in our present house. We sleep well at night.

We sleep better from laughing ourselves to sleep at the fools who paid the charge, thus ensuring they will be the first to get caught for the full property tax when it comes into law.

Well done fools.:D

Hi All,
I would not go around calling the folks who have paid the household tax fools.

Many of them probably felt pressurized by our glorius leaders and Phil Hogan into paying it by the threats of fines and jail. Some people, like the OP are probably used to paying a property tax in the previous jurisdictions that they lived in.

But i would like to remind these folks though, that when this was first introduced, it was going to be an invoiceless tax- no bills were going to be sent out looking for it. no one would do jail for it. Just pay a penalty for late payment

Now look at them trying to use bully tactics, sending out 3 warnings and then its hard time for us. I think they've finally seen the resolve of the objectors and are now trying to use force.

Cookie_Monster

Elfinknight wrote: »

I have no problem paying my road tax- it's supposed to pay for the upkeep of the roads. but then I avoid the tolls, because i pay the road tax.
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there's no such thing, you pay motor tax for the privilege of pumping out fumes, not for using the roads. Neither is the tax ring-fenced for roads, never has been, never will be. It goes into the county council pot for general funding of all services, much like the household charge does.

NegativeCreep

My Da paid it. I never heard any of the rumours about it until now.
What's this about having to pay €1000 next year...? €100 was ok but there is no hope we'll be able to get €1000 to pay them next year so they can fcuk right off.
I'm bored of the recession now, can't we just not be in it? :L

dxhound2005

Am Chile wrote: »

The Indo once again trying to divide people-the argument it will be higher because of non payment is BS its gonna be high anyway-with todays annoucement the revenue are set to collect it next year means it will more then likely be deducted at source-they still have find the other half of people who didn't register to be able to deduct at source for them also-they can go through esb bills but someones name on a esb bill won't prove ownership of a property, so how do they plan to get the names of those who never registered to able to deduct from their incomes ?

I agree that non payment at present should not affect those who are paying since all non payers will pay eventually with extra revenue accruing from interest and penalties. Unlike say the TV licence which charges everyone who pays about €25 extra to cover for those who don't and the unpaid amounts can never be recovered.

One obvious source of information to help with a database would be mortgage interest relief records. No one getting mortgage interest relief should be able to escape paying property tax if there is any sort of joined up data sharing.

Elfinknight

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

there's no such thing, you pay motor tax for the privilege of pumping out fumes, not for using the roads. Neither is the tax ring-fenced for roads, never has been, never will be. It goes into the county council pot for general funding of all services, much like the household charge does.

Hi Cookie
I thought that was what the Excise and VAT I pay to them was for. (currently a total of 88 cent per litre of a 160.9 cent per litre petrol, if my sums are correct. feel free to correct me if they are not.)

Also I dont decieve my self into thinking that local government will be getting the total taken in by the household tax, regardless of whether everyone pays it or not. You can be sure that a nice portion ot it will be used to bail out the bankers and bondholders that got us into this mess.

The fact that not every one has paid suits the government in the sense that "X county council, you did not collect you're full household tax quota, so we're only giving u 75% (or some such figure) of what you did collect and we'll keep the rest."

u_c_thesecond

Marcin_diy wrote: »

I have paid 100 euro for property tax.

What is government doing to get these money?

am I just stupid

i didnt pay it and i wont. Its your own doing that you got sucked into their scare tatics

they will have to pry it out of my cold dead hands

NIMAN

Revenue will soon be on the case.

They will be more successful. Hopefully they will start with the likes of Joe Higgins and Clare Daly. Make an example out of them.

Ghandee

NIMAN wrote: »

Revenue will soon be on the case.

They will be more successful. Hopefully they will start with the likes of Joe Higgins and Clare Daly. Make an example out of them.

please explain to me, why I would not tell the revenue to Píss of anymore than I will tell the govt to?

It matters not one iota whose name appears on my letter head, a ground rent shall not be paid on my property.

They can raise it in whatever other way they feel fit, I've already stated that I would have no problem paying if it was for services like the rates system in the six counties.

But a grand a year for nothing? Ain't gonna happen Enda.

PizzamanIRL

You were just stupid and easy.

It's just a random, unfair made up tax to try get back some of the money THEY lost. "Oh lets get the public to give us, eh, lets say €100 and call it a tax"