Olympic triple jumper sent home after making racist tweet

AnalogueKid

LordSmeg wrote: »

Ya get heated and you pick the first thing to use as an insult. Big nose, fat arse. You dont think to yourself "Jesus I hate this guy cos he's black". You (by you I mean Terry) say fcuk off ya black bastard.

If he said Fcuk off you Irish cnut to an Irish player would the same thing have happened ? No way, this racial thing gets blown well out of proportion some times.

I disagree with your first point Smeg - you mean in the heat of the moment, they actually say something they really mean and aren't guarded by restraint? Sounds a bit like a sober version of In Vino Veritas.

I agree with your second point though. It depends on which ethnicity you insult. If Daley Thompson's anti-Irish gaffe had referred to jews or muslims ... he'd be in the dock like Terry.

AnalogueKid

Einhard wrote: »

Y But I don't like the route we're going down whereby any reference to colour in a negative context is considered racist.

Surely you're winding us up at this stage Einhard? How is it possible for anyone negatively refer to the colour of someone's skin in a non-racist fashion.

That's like using the 'c' word and then claiming you don't curse.

Einhard

AnalogueKid wrote: »

Are you serious? The England captain (who wears an armband with 'Respect' on it), decides to abuse the brother of his long-standing defensive partner in the England team and qualifies his abuse by preceding the word c£%$ with the colour of his skin. Don't you see ANY difference between using a word for an ethnicity, nationality or skin colour coupled with a strong term of abuse like the 'c' word, and just using the abusive term without referring to the ethnicity of the person being abused. That's the difference between abuse and racial abuse.

Are you 8 years old or something?

I'm not at all condoning Terry's remarks; what I am pointing out, and I would have thought it self-evident (even to 8 year olds!) that including the reference to his skin colour does not make it a racist comment. Racism is about hatrd and contempt...does calling someone a black baxtard express hatred or contempt for all the people of that person's race? I can't see how it does.

As an analogy, would me referencing someone as a "Cork cu*t" express a hatred for all Cork people? I've been called a "ginger ba*tard" before. Does that reveal a deep-seated hatred for all redheads? I really think not, and I think it's quite worrying that there are so many people willing, nay chomping at the bit, to read into statements what's not necessarily there.

When people curse, they quite often insert an advective or adverb of some kind to pad out the statement as it were. Hence, "fu*kin ba*tard", "ginger cun*t" etc. Often again, they will use model that descriptive word on a physical trait of the person they are abusing...they will preceded the abusive word with reference to weight, height, demeanour, hair colour, and yes, skin colour. It's quite a normal aspect of syntax. To claim then, that anyone who does so is somehow expressing a hatred in this manner is absurd, and is worthty of an 8 year old.

Lollers

Latchy wrote: »

Yes...yesterdays news I'm afraid OP .

I know, that's why I posted it yesterday.

Einhard

AnalogueKid wrote: »

Surely you're winding us up at this stage Einhard? How is it possible for anyone negatively refer to the colour of someone's skin in a non-racist fashion.

Of course it is. I've explained why in the above post. People pad out their sentences or expressions with adverbs or adjectives. It's why people say "you fu*king cun*t" when a simple "you cun*t" would suffice. It's a common syntactic arrangement. In other words, it's how people speak. When we are engaged in swearing or abusing someone, we grab the nearest available adjective or adverb, and that is usually physical...weight, height, gender etc. It needn't necessarily imply that we hate that particular aspect of the person. It's just how humans speak. In English at any rate. Thus, I might call someone from Paris a "French ba*tard", but that does not mean I hate French people. And it's the same with "black ba*tard" or "white cu*t" or whatever.

I'm against racism, and that's partly why I'm concerned about this. Becaus the more we have people throwing around the word, the less it's impact becomes, and the less vigilant we are about true racists. As the title of my post implied, it's like the boy who called wolf. Eventually nobody believed him.

golden lane

i see this as a simple matter........this world has gone stark raving mad......

but of course, everybody know's that already......

Scioch

AnalogueKid wrote: »

I disagree with your first point Smeg - you mean in the heat of the moment, they actually say something they really mean and aren't guarded by restraint? Sounds a bit like a sober version of In Vino Veritas.

I agree with your second point though. It depends on which ethnicity you insult. If Daley Thompson's anti-Irish gaffe had referred to jews or muslims ... he'd be in the dock like Terry.

I meant in the heat of the moment you just throw an insult, any old insult. I dont believe Terry meant to use a racial insult to really get at the guy he it was just another throw away insult. Replace black with stupid and I'd imagine the meaning behind it would be no different as far as Terry was concerned or me for that matter.

Just like our second point there, there are a lot of things that may be said and a lot of things that may be brushed off. I personally think Ferdinand (or whoever decided to make a big deal of it) was just being a dick blowing out of proportion. If someone called me an Irish bastard sure it'd piss me off but I wouldnt go public and bring the damn thing to court over a a throw away insult in a heated game.

the groutch

kojack wrote: »

I wouldn't mind her triple jumping onto me like in the second photo

I wouldnt need a hop and a skip to jump on her

bnt

I wonder if her remark lost something in the translation from Greek, since while it was definitely politically-incorrect, I don't see flat-out racism in there. Is it racist to talk about Africans as coming from Africa? We all come from Africa, if you look back far enough in to the past.

mauzo

I'd give her one...


Twice

losthorizon

Pherekydes wrote: »

It says the opposite!

To wit: She also re-tweeted a comment from Ilias Kasidiaris, a politician with Golden Dawn, criticising Prime Minister Antonis Samaras's stance on immigration.

Golden Dawn.. a nasty bunch. Fascists in all but name.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90Xalff4MXE

Blondini

Sexy Racists rock my world ...

Nodin

Blondini wrote: »

Sexy Racists rock my world ...

Especially if about halfway through you roared out - "this is the best fun I've had since my barmitzvah"

BattleCorp

Two things here.

Firstly, yes, she is a hot piece of stuff, we all would - everyone agreed?

Secondly, what she said could be construed as being offensive, but saying it was racist is a bit of a stretch.

Was it insensitive - probably.

Was it racist - fcuk no.

The world of today is fcuked up and way way way too sensitive.

Hande hoche!

Blondini wrote: »

Sexy Racists rock my world ...

The best kind of racist.

Piste

I really don't think he tweet was all that bad, massive overreaction sending her home.

Latchy

Lollers wrote: »

I know, that's why I posted it yesterday.

Time zones are not like they use to be

Keith186

I bet whoever kicked her out of of the Olympics wouldn't kick her out of bed for eating crisps :pac:

squod

Keith186 wrote: »

I bet whoever kicked her out of of the Olympics wouldn't kick her out of bed for eating crisps :pac:

I also bet thats the first question he asked. Has gorgeous athletic sexbomb over a barrel. Still doesn't get any. Forever alone.......

MakeEmLaugh

Keith186 wrote: »

I bet whoever kicked her out of of the Olympics wouldn't kick her out of bed for eating crisps :pac:

I wouldn't kick anyone out of bed for eating crisps. I love crisps!

Roadtrippin

Glad to see that guys' views on racism are easily clouded by a hot piece of ass... :P

I get what some people here are saying about the world having become overly PC and sensitive in some ways but when it comes to racism I reckon it is better to be overly PC then the other way around.
IMHO the message needs to be clear: racism isn't ok. And athletes are public figures, role models even, that need to watch what they're saying in public. Because otherwise there's plenty of idiots thinking to themselves "oh sure, Terry said 'black bastard' and he was acquitted so it's ok to say it"...

BattleCorp

Roadtrippin wrote: »

Glad to see that guys' views on racism are easily clouded by a hot piece of ass... :P

I get what some people here are saying about the world having become overly PC and sensitive in some ways but when it comes to racism I reckon it is better to be overly PC then the other way around.
IMHO the message needs to be clear: racism isn't ok. And athletes are public figures, role models even, that need to watch what they're saying in public. Because otherwise there's plenty of idiots thinking to themselves "oh sure, Terry said 'black bastard' and he was acquitted so it's ok to say it"...

You typed the words "black bastard". You are repeating what John Terry said. He claims he was repeating what Anton Ferdinand said.

If John Terry is a racist, does that therefore make you a racist?

Nodin

BattleCorp wrote: »

You typed the words "black bastard". You are repeating what John Terry said. .....?

I'm reasonably sure thats not what Terry said.

Dermighty

The link you gave spells her name 4 different ways in the same article.

f*cking idiots :P

Hande hoche!

Dermighty wrote: »

The link you gave spells her name 4 different ways in the same article.

f*cking idiots :P

To be fair they were probably distracted by the nice photos.

Dermighty

Hande hoche! wrote: »

To be fair they were probably distracted by the nice photos.

She's not bad, she looks very like a character from Spartacus: Blood & Sand.

Strawberry Fields

Finally someone understands it's about the mosquitoes.
My work here is done. :cool: