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Liveline Thread 25/7/12 to 12/10/2012

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    #3872
    my friend
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,129 ✭✭✭my friend


    Lady says: No negro zone


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    #3873
    sudzs
    Registered Users Posts: 8,721 ✭✭✭sudzs


    Pesky foreighners! :rolleyes:


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    #3874
    surferdudz
    Registered Users Posts: 1,509 ✭✭✭surferdudz


    poor Joe sounds so very exasperated by all this ...


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    #3875
    withless
    Registered Users Posts: 8,741 ✭✭✭withless


    We can't 'compute it' because everybody wants to fire the 'pen pushers'.


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    #3876
    surferdudz
    Registered Users Posts: 1,509 ✭✭✭surferdudz


    " I;m lucky to have the home help" finally a bit of gratitude...


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    #3877
    my friend
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,129 ✭✭✭my friend


    I am happy to contribute for this woman's child's care costs

    I refuse to fund a house-maid service for oul farmers


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    #3878
    PauloMN
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional North East Moderators Posts: 10,869 Mod ✭✭✭✭PauloMN


    Definitely need to prioritise here. If a gentleman can drive himself around, then the state needs to look at whether he needs daily home support, or if he can pay towards it. The issue that caller had was more to do with her own hours and work situation than the gentleman in question tbh.

    Carers like this lady on now need all the support the state can offer, and more. Cut dole to those who should not get it and give carers more.


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    #3879
    my friend
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,129 ✭✭✭my friend


    Suzie4 wrote: »
    has anyone mentioned the legalisation of abortion to prevent these so called future entitlements and care needs no?

    no that would be too sensible of course.

    CP Often occurs at child birth due to O2 deprivation , your solution is no solution at that point...


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    #3880
    Suzie4
    Registered Users Posts: 1,324 ✭✭✭Suzie4


    did you ever think of all this when you had the child no??

    omg i hate the utter uncaring way people just give birth to humans without their consent ,then feel they need to be praised for looking after them..


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    #3881
    IvyTheTerrible
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,949 ✭✭✭✭IvyTheTerrible


    Suzie4 wrote: »
    has anyone mentioned the legalisation of abortion to prevent these so called future entitlements and care needs no?

    no that would be too sensible of course.
    That would open a whole big can of worms


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    #3882
    Lapin
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 18,184 ✭✭✭✭Lapin


    Suzie4 wrote: »
    oh god no...not again..that voice sends shivers down my spine...

    solution...your family takes care of you..

    Move on.

    yes go home please...
    Suzie4 wrote: »
    any family lee??
    Suzie4 wrote: »
    saving the state a fortune???? the mentality of someone who seems entitled to something.

    maybe people should want to look after their elderly relatives ...instead of expecting the state to do it...

    You obviously haven't a fúcking clue what its like to care for someone or be in a positition where care is needed.

    You seem concerned anout where your hard earned taxes are going.

    Personally I'd prefer my taxes being spent on exactly this kind of thing. Allowing those who, through no fault of their own, cannot take full care of themselves a modicum of dignity and independence is money well spent.

    Carers are saving the taxpayer far more than you will ever contribute.

    Cop yourself on, learn a little about the subject at hand before coming on here whoring for the rest of us to hit the thanks button.


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    #3883
    surferdudz
    Registered Users Posts: 1,509 ✭✭✭surferdudz


    oh I see, so its self assessment ? sound very efficient ..


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    #3884
    IvyTheTerrible
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,949 ✭✭✭✭IvyTheTerrible


    Suzie4 wrote: »
    did you ever think of all this when you had the child no??

    omg i hate the utter uncaring way people just give birth to humans without their consent ,then feel they need to be praised for looking after them..
    As the woman said, the CP occured because of a premature birth. She did not chose that.


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    #3885
    Suzie4
    Registered Users Posts: 1,324 ✭✭✭Suzie4


    i know fully about caring for a dying mother with cancer.

    so lapin how about you realise,i know exactly what im talking about ,then re read my posts...and you might learn something.

    i no more need your thanks than i need to read your ill informed abuse.


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    #3886
    PauloMN
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional North East Moderators Posts: 10,869 Mod ✭✭✭✭PauloMN


    Suzie4 wrote: »
    did you ever think of all this when you had the child no??

    omg i hate the utter uncaring way people just give birth to humans without their consent ,then feel they need to be praised for looking after them..

    You hate the uncaring way people give birth to humans without their consent, yet you reckon we'd save a fortune if we just aborted any of the troublesome ones?

    Wow. Just wow. :eek:


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    #3887
    IvyTheTerrible
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,949 ✭✭✭✭IvyTheTerrible


    Suzie4 wrote: »
    i know fully about caring for a dying mother with cancer.

    so lapin how about you realise,i know exactly what im talking about ,then re read my posts...and you might learn something.

    i no more need your thanks than i need to read your ill informed abuse.
    Sorry to hear about your mother but you were lucky if your family was able to look after your mother. Not everyone is in circumstances that enable them to look after ill family members.


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    #3888
    Suzie4
    Registered Users Posts: 1,324 ✭✭✭Suzie4


    IvyTheTerrible wrote: »
    As the woman said, the CP occured because of a premature birth. She did not chose that.

    i was making a general point. when it occured would only apply if it was after the birth.

    im sure there are plenty of people out there who rely on the state for care,but hadnt the bravery do go ahead with the abortion.


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    #3889
    Sittingpretty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,872 ✭✭✭Sittingpretty


    Suzie4 wrote: »
    i know fully about caring for a dying mother with cancer.

    so lapin how about you realise,i know exactly what im talking about ,then re read my posts...and you might learn something.

    i no more need your thanks than i need to read your ill informed abuse.


    Your posts are astounding in their lack of empathy, moreso that you have cared for a dying mother.


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    #3890
    Suzie4
    Registered Users Posts: 1,324 ✭✭✭Suzie4


    IvyTheTerrible wrote: »
    Sorry to hear about your mother but you were lucky if your family was able to look after your mother. Not everyone is in circumstances that enable them to look after ill family members.

    my point is...people need to make sacrifices for people they proport to love..

    no one seems to understand this...hence they expect and think they deserve help from the state.


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    #3891
    Suzie4
    Registered Users Posts: 1,324 ✭✭✭Suzie4


    Sittingpretty wrote: »
    Your posts are astounding in their lack of empathy, moreso that you have cared for a dying mother.

    i dont empathise with weak people who decide to rely on the state ,rather than bite the bullet and do what they should do themselves.

    what happened when there werent home care helps,or the likes.??

    People HAD to look after their loved ones.

    Simple.


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    #3892
    Sittingpretty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,872 ✭✭✭Sittingpretty


    Suzie4 wrote: »
    IvyTheTerrible wrote: »
    Sorry to hear about your mother but you were lucky if your family was able to look after your mother. Not everyone is in circumstances that enable them to look after ill family members.

    my point is...people need to make sacrifices for people they proport to love..

    no one seems to understand this...hence they expect and think they deserve help from the state.


    I doubt anyone would dispute that but at the same time when it comes to 24 hour care I certainly wouldn't deny anyone a couple of hours a day state funded help to give them a small break.


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    #3893
    RadioRetro
    Registered Users Posts: 2,090 ✭✭✭RadioRetro


    A welcome change of subject.


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    #3894
    Yakuza
    Registered Users Posts: 5,141 ✭✭✭Yakuza


    Suzie4 wrote: »
    my point is...people need to make sacrifices for people they proport to love..

    no one seems to understand this...hence they expect and think they deserve help from the state.

    The state has a duty of care to all of its citizens, and a greater one to those who don't have the means to look after themselves. The man earlier with the sick partner didn't want to have the state do all of his work, just some respite in the form of a few free hours a day. If he wasn't around, the cost to the state would be far greater.


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    #3895
    Suzie4
    Registered Users Posts: 1,324 ✭✭✭Suzie4


    Sittingpretty wrote: »
    I doubt anyone would dispute that but at the same time when it comes to 24 hour care I certainly wouldn't deny anyone a couple of hours a day state funded help to give them a small break.

    and so you eventually get my point...so a couple of hours...if you have to look after someone 24 hrs a day..ok

    that would be 14 hours a week...which is what the guy was getting who was moaning about it..


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    #3896
    Suzie4
    Registered Users Posts: 1,324 ✭✭✭Suzie4


    Yakuza wrote: »
    The state has a duty of care to all of its citizens, and a greater one to those who don't have the means to look after themselves. The man earlier with the sick partner didn't want to have the state do all of his work, just some respite in the form of a few free hours a day. If he wasn't around, the cost to the state would be far greater.

    he was getting 14 hours help...and still moaning..that was my point!


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    #3897
    Lapin
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 18,184 ✭✭✭✭Lapin


    Suzie4 wrote: »
    my point is...people need to make sacrifices for people they proport to love..

    no one seems to understand this...hence they expect and think they deserve help from the state.

    The state should be there to help people in that very position.

    Not everyone can make the sacrifices you demand to look after a loved one.

    How can they pay the costs if they give up their job? How can you after someone if you lose the roof over your head ?

    Such actions will ultimately cost the state a lot more in the long run.

    Also, your mother was fortunate to have family around. Not everyone has that. You really should try to be more understanding of others.


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    #3898
    Yakuza
    Registered Users Posts: 5,141 ✭✭✭Yakuza


    Suzie4 wrote: »
    and so you eventually get my point...so a couple of hours...if you have to look after someone 24 hrs a day..ok

    that would be 14 hours a week...which is what the guy was getting who was moaning about it..

    Was he not "moaning" about the fact that those hours were going to be cut?


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    #3899
    Suzie4
    Registered Users Posts: 1,324 ✭✭✭Suzie4


    PauloMN wrote: »
    You hate the uncaring way people give birth to humans without their consent, yet you reckon we'd save a fortune if we just aborted any of the troublesome ones?

    Wow. Just wow. :eek:


    yeah thats true...makes perfect sense...why do you think people have abortions?


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    #3900
    JonathanAnon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,718 ✭✭✭✭JonathanAnon


    "Some of my best friends are rally people"


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    #3901
    my friend
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,129 ✭✭✭my friend


    Can everyone chill

    I'm sure that some thoughts are been lost in translation

    People have different ways of looking at things and nobody here was saying the most defenceless should not be granted every comfort

    It appears all schemes in Ireland are abused

    Surprised the coeliacs weren't on complaining today re their food 'entitlements'


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