DJs

es-cee

Crooked Jack wrote: »

I really can. All electronic dance is awful. Hard house, trance, rave etc... it goes on and on. It's all tripe. Dead, soulless tripe.
But again, this isnt about my opinion on dance music

you sound like my 60 year old neighbour.

Lumbo

Crooked Jack wrote: »

I really can. All electronic dance is awful. Hard house, trance, rave etc... it goes on and on. It's all tripe. Dead, soulless tripe.
But again, this isnt about my opinion on dance music

Do you like soulful house?

ScumLord

Sky King wrote: »

Don't mix up a DJ with a turntabilist.

Anyone can learn to beatmatch and mix in a couple of days. Turntabilism like below takes years, like any musical instrument.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlA8nk24Ti0

That kind of thing I really like, I really like King tubby too. But when I hear the word DJ, in Ireland at least it means guy who plays chart music in a nightclub. Those people are usually exclusively dickheads that seem to despise good music.

Crooked Jack

Lumbo wrote: »

Do you like soulful house?

I ahve no idea, but unless it has actaul instruments and lyrics I doubt it. But really, for the last time, this is not about anyone's opinion, least of all mine, of dance music.

Helix

Crooked Jack wrote: »

I really can. All electronic dance is awful. Hard house, trance, rave etc... it goes on and on. It's all tripe. Dead, soulless tripe.
But again, this isnt about my opinion on dance music

do you like hans zimmer's work, just out of curiousity?

--Kaiser--

Crooked Jack wrote: »

I ahve no idea, but unless it has actaul instruments and lyrics I doubt it. But really, for the last time, this is not about anyone's opinion, least of all mine, of dance music.

I'd bet if you were around in the 60's you'd be referring to the The Beatles as 'devil music'

Crooked Jack

es-cee wrote: »

you sound like my 60 year old neighbour.

Because I like real instruments and lyrics and songs with meaning?
Or is it because you're one of these arseholes who has his speakers thumping at 4.30am of a wednesday morning while you and your friends are pilled out?
You'll find that will get on the tits of many people of all ages.

Crooked Jack

--Kaiser-- wrote: »

I'd bet if you were around in the 60's you'd be referring to the The Beatles as 'devil music'

eh, no! The devil has all the best tunes and The Beatles are ****e

Crooked Jack

Helix wrote: »

do you like hans zimmer's work, just out of curiousity?

Is that the bad guy from the first Die Hard? Yeah, he's class

Jesus Shaves

Crooked Jack wrote: »

Because I like real instruments and lyrics and songs with meaning?
Or is it because you're one of these arseholes who has his speakers thumping at 4.30am of a wednesday morning while you and your friends are pilled out?
You'll find that will get on the tits of many people of all ages.

Why Wednesday morning?

Crooked Jack

Crooked Jack wrote: »

Or is it because you're one of these arseholes who has his speakers thumping at 4.30am of a wednesday morning while you and your friends are pilled out?
You'll find that will get on the tits of many people of all ages.

Not everyone who likes dance music has to listen to it really loud, or at 4am.
You sound like you are living in one room of your house, peeping out of the curtains.
That's a type of person does that, blame them not the music.

Helix

Crooked Jack wrote: »

Is that the bad guy from the first Die Hard? Yeah, he's class

no he's the musician who's scored things like inception, nolan's batman trilogy, gladiator etc

Helix

Helix wrote: »

nolan's batman trilogy,

Careful now!
You don't want him going on another rant.

es-cee

Crooked Jack wrote: »

Because I like real instruments and lyrics and songs with meaning?
Or is it because you're one of these arseholes who has his speakers thumping at 4.30am of a wednesday morning while you and your friends are pilled out?
You'll find that will get on the tits of many people of all ages.

none of the above, i simply stated that you sound like my 60 year old neighbour, which you do. i like all music myself, and electronic is just one of those styles.
i'm 29 years of age btw, i don't be awake at 4.30am, much less pounding out "rave" with my mates, while pilled out of it.
i find it laughable however, how someone with absolutely no knowledge on a given subject, still seems to make their voice heard, when it's blatantly clear to everyone around them, they haven't a clue what they're talking about.

--Kaiser--

Crooked Jack wrote: »

eh, no! The devil has all the best tunes and The Beatles are ****e

This part in bold tells me all I need to know about you

Crooked Jack

es-cee wrote: »

none of the above, i simply stated that you sound like my 60 year old neighbour, which you do. i like all music myself, and electronic is just one of those styles.
i'm 29 years of age btw, i don't be awake at 4.30am, much less pounding out "rave" with my mates, while pilled out of it.
i find it laughable however, how someone with absolutely no knowledge on a given subject, still seems to make their voice heard, when it's blatantly clear to everyone around them, they haven't a clue what they're talking about.

Funny, cause I find it laughable that someone would give out to me for making generalisations about something I know nothing about while making presumptions on my personality from the fact I dont like dance music.

Lumbo

The OP is failing big time here.

Helix

Crooked Jack wrote: »

Because I like real instruments

what do you mean by real instruments? what's the difference between a piano, a guitar, and a synth?

Helix

Helix wrote: »

what do you mean by real instruments? what's the difference between a piano, a guitar, and a synth?

He's going to say, that a synth was man made.:D

Samich

Done before!

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=73843789

flyswatter

Being a talented musician is separate from being a DJ. A pair of decks or whatever isn't an instrument so a DJ could be a talented musician but not by being a DJ but by being a good instrumentalist. In simpler terms a DJ is only a musician if he is in fact a musician.

I would consider a DJ a skillful artist if he produces his own tracks to a high standard but again this involves the process of musical creation so isn't relevant to playing records.

Of course being a DJ could involve none of the above and still be decent at what he does, so it might be a bit demeaning to say they can only push play, although there are examples of this!

Helix

flyswatter wrote: »

A pair of decks or whatever isn't an instrument

tell that to kid koala

Napper Hawkins

Question for those of you in the know, if I, a guitarist/drummer with years of experience playing but with zero experience with the whole electronic scene wanted to get started in it, where would I need to begin? I know my way around a mixing desk from observing sound engineers doing their thing, mixing my demos etc. But as far as decks, vinyls, whatever I'd be fair clueless how to go about it.

Always fancied the idea of putting an electronic spin to some of my music, which is mainly rock, metal and blues, but I'd rather learn how to do it properly rather than just going out and buying a bunch of equipment and making a balls of it.

Have a mate who's a dj, not his job, just for the craic and I've always been stood there beside him watching him at it while he attempts to explain what exactly is going on. I learnt a fair bit but want to figure it out for myself.

--Kaiser--

flyswatter wrote: »

A pair of decks or whatever isn't an instrument s

Rubbish. A cardboard box is an instrument, a metal tin is an instrument, a plastic ruler is an instrument. If you can make original music with it, it's an instrument

Helix

Napper Hawkins wrote: »

Question for those of you in the know, if I, a guitarist/drummer with years of experience playing but with zero experience with the whole electronic scene wanted to get started in it, where would I need to begin? I know my way around a mixing desk from observing sound engineers doing their thing, mixing my demos etc. But as far as decks, vinyls, whatever I'd be fair clueless how to go about it.

Always fancied the idea of putting an electronic spin to some of my music, which is mainly rock, metal and blues, but I'd rather learn how to do it properly rather than just going out and buying a bunch of equipment and making a balls of it.

Have a mate who's a dj, not his job, just for the craic and I've always been stood there beside him watching him at it while he attempts to explain what exactly is going on. I learnt a fair bit but want to figure it out for myself.

do you want to dj or do you want to make music?

decks will not help you do the latter

what kind of "electronic spin" do you want to put on your music?

Bipolar Joe

Crooked Jack wrote: »

I really can. All electronic dance is awful. Hard house, trance, rave etc... it goes on and on. It's all tripe. Dead, soulless tripe.
But again, this isnt about my opinion on dance music

You legitimately have no idea what you are talking about.

es-cee

Crooked Jack wrote: »

Funny, cause I find it laughable that someone would give out to me for making generalisations about something I know nothing about while making presumptions on my personality from the fact I dont like dance music.

who's giving out? i merely stated a fact.

Crooked Jack wrote: »

All electronic dance is awful. Hard house, trance, rave etc... it goes on and on. It's all tripe. Dead, soulless tripe.

i find this ^^^ laughable, as you clearly have no knowledge of what you're talking about. i made no such presumptions about your personality, how could i? i don't know you.

Crooked Jack

Lumbo wrote: »

The OP is failing big time here.

In what way? Last time I looked at the poll the vast majority were agreeing with me. But I really dont want this to descend into an argument about dance music. That's all opinion. I only started this to find out about the actual act of DJing.

flyswatter

Helix wrote: »

tell that to kid koala

I won't deny that he's great at what he does, but you can't compose on decks, you play and mix other peoples music. (Spinning your own music doesn't count.)

Helix

flyswatter wrote: »

I won't deny that he's great at what he does, but you can't compose on decks, you play and mix other peoples music. (Spinning your own music doesn't count.)

you're claiming that what kid koala, among others, does isn't composition? it's as much composition as anything else. is playing guitar not counted as composition because the strings have their own inherent sound before being manipulated by the player? of course not, same way what KK does shouldn't be discounted because the record has its own inherent sound before being manipulated by him

you absolutely can compose on decks, but it's very, very rare that anyone does it - although that doesn't mean that your statement above is accurate

Crooked Jack

es-cee wrote: »

i find this ^^^ laughable, as you clearly have no knowledge of what you're talking about. i made no such presumptions about your personality, how could i? i don't know you.

What? It's my opinion on dance music. I have all the knowledge I could ever require on the subject.
Could we please get off my opinions on dance and back on the actual subject.

Bipolar Joe

The lack of thought put into arguments here is depressing. What is music? It's audible art. What is art? Anything done with the intent to be artistic. What is an instrument? Anything that makes sound. Do decks make sound? Yes. Therefore they can be seen as an instrument.

I'm not a DJ, but I do have two sets of decks here in my apartment, one for CDs and another for vinyl. Anyone who thinks it's easy is welcome to come around, pick anything from my CD or record collection and show me exactly how simple it is.

Crooked Jack wrote: »

What? It's my opinion on dance music. I have all the knowledge I could ever require on the subject.
Could we please get off my opinions on dance and back on the actual subject.

If you've only ever had rotten beef, does that mean all beef is rotten? Or do you just have a habit of picking up beef that's well passed it's use-by date?

flyswatter

Helix wrote: »

you're claiming that what kid koala, among others, does isn't composition? it's as much composition as anything else. is playing guitar not counted as composition because the strings have their own inherent sound before being manipulated by the player? of course not, same way what KK does shouldn't be discounted because the record has its own inherent sound before being manipulated by him

you absolutely can compose on decks, but it's very, very rare that anyone does it - although that doesn't mean that your statement above is accurate

Are these compositions completely original though?

Crooked Jack

Samich wrote: »

Done before!

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=73843789

and?
Thanks for the great contribution though.

copeyhagen

whats the matter op, you try your hand at it and realise its actually not easy.

back in the day of turntable djs it took a long time for most people to master the art of beat matching, then eyars to master mixing in key ect.

its also more about the songs that are played than the mixing itself.

nowadays any old idiot can buy a laptop and click sync and become a (poor)dj overnight. a good dj will know that its more about the songs they chose than anything.

and the answers on your poll are stupid.

i have been doing it for about 12 years more of a hobby than anything, but i wouldnt consider myself, or any dj a musician. now the likes of sasha ect who create their own music is different

Bipolar Joe

flyswatter wrote: »

Are these compositions completely original though?

How many chords are there on a guitar? How many songs can there be before parts of the chord structure from song A end up in B through G? How long before How long before they take up the entire alphabet, and nothing is original? DJing is not just playing someone else's music. It's like aural chess, and you're playing against the audience. If you make a wrong move, everyone will know.

--Kaiser--

flyswatter wrote: »

Are these compositions completely original though?

It could be argued that there is no such thing as a completely original piece of music

Crooked Jack

Bipolar Joe wrote: »

The lack of thought put into arguments here is depressing. What is music? It's audible art. What is art? Anything done with the intent to be artistic. What is an instrument? Anything that makes sound. Do decks make sound? Yes. Therefore they can be seen as an instrument.

I'm not a DJ, but I do have two sets of decks here in my apartment, one for CDs and another for vinyl. Anyone who thinks it's easy is welcome to come around, pick anything from my CD or record collection and show me exactly how simple it is.



If you've only ever had rotten beef, does that mean all beef is rotten? Or do you just have a habit of picking up beef that's well passed it's use-by date?

No, but if I dont like beef at all, it doesnt matter if it's the best cut of beef in the world.
I shall be around on monday to play with your decks. I bet you wont actually let me in.

buried

Crooked Jack wrote: »

What? It's my opinion on dance music. I have all the knowledge I could ever require on the subject.
Could we please get off my opinions on dance and back on the actual subject.

Sorry OP but you chose to ignore my last question so I will just ask again -

What is your opinion of electronic music that does not involve dance music or beats?

DJ's and artists exist, and have existed for decades, that play or perform electronic music without the requirement for you to dance to it.

Crooked Jack

Bipolar Joe wrote: »

How many chords are there on a guitar? How many songs can there be before parts of the chord structure from song A end up in B through G? How long before How long before they take up the entire alphabet, and nothing is original? DJing is not just playing someone else's music. It's like aural chess, and you're playing against the audience. If you make a wrong move, everyone will know.

Wow! I havent heard waffle like that since I did A-Level Theatre Studies

flyswatter

--Kaiser-- wrote: »

It could be argued that there is no such thing as a completely original piece of music

I don't mean original in the sense that it has never been done before. That's nigh on impossible these days.

Bipolar Joe

Crooked Jack wrote: »

Wow! I havent heard waffle like that since I did A-Level Theatre Studies

That's the difference between an artist and someone who enjoys the surface level. Deconstruct to attain a higher level.

Crooked Jack

buried wrote: »

Sorry OP but you chose to ignore my last question so I will just ask again -

What is your opinion of electronic music that does not involve dance music or beats?

DJ's and artists exist, and have existed for decades, that play or perform electronic music without the requirement for you to dance to it.

I have no idea what you're talking about. It's probably a safe bet that I wouldnt be a fan. But again, were stuck on my opinion. Why does everyone here find it so hard to believe that someone could possibly not have the same taste in music as them.

Helix

flyswatter wrote: »

Are these compositions completely original though?

is the sound of a guitar string or piano key completely original?

Bipolar Joe

Crooked Jack wrote: »

I have no idea what you're talking about. It's probably a safe bet that I wouldnt be a fan. But again, were stuck on my opinion. Why does everyone here find it so hard to believe that someone could possibly not have the same taste in music as them.

Because it's impossible to not find one single, solitary song made with a computer and not enjoy it. Again, you're just eating rotten beef. Go to a different butcher.

flyswatter

Helix wrote: »

is the sound of a guitar string or piano key completely original?

See my clarification above.

Helix

Crooked Jack wrote: »

I have no idea what you're talking about. It's probably a safe bet that I wouldnt be a fan. But again, were stuck on my opinion. Why does everyone here find it so hard to believe that someone could possibly not have the same taste in music as them.

do you like this? i use it as an example because it's just a great piece of music really, and to gauge a starting point here

Helix

flyswatter wrote: »

See my clarification above.

saw it, doesnt make sense in line with the conversation though

an open e on guitar, or a c# on piano are existing sounds. the sound on a record is an existing sound

it's the manipulation of those sounds, the structuring of them with others and the combination with other notes that creates music. what's the difference between a sustained c on a piano, and a sustained c on a record? the c on the record can be manipulated into a wide range of other notes by someone who is skilled with the instrument, just as a piano player can play a range of notes. but both start off with the same base set of sounds, that is to say a preexisting cyclical vibration of the air

--Kaiser--

Crooked Jack wrote: »

I have no idea what you're talking about. It's probably a safe bet that I wouldnt be a fan. But again, were stuck on my opinion. Why does everyone here find it so hard to believe that someone could possibly not have the same taste in music as them.

I couldn't give a fiddler's fart about your musical 'taste'. You made a moronic statement that 'all electronic music is tripe' (or whatever) and people are debating against this pronouncement

ScumLord

Bipolar Joe wrote: »

How many chords are there on a guitar? How many songs can there be before parts of the chord structure from song A end up in B through G? How long before How long before they take up the entire alphabet, and nothing is original? DJing is not just playing someone else's music. It's like aural chess, and you're playing against the audience. If you make a wrong move, everyone will know.

I've heard people say that every possible combination of notes will be used up in the next few years/decade. I think many art forms will reach their ultimate conclusions pretty soon. We've gone through every combination and are repeating ourselves at this stage.

Just look at modern music, it's all just a slightly different version of what's gone before. There's nothing original out there. Same goes for books and movies. It's the same story over and over again with slightly different settings and characters.