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Samantha Brick & Aborting Down's Syndrome babies...
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Ray Palmer wrote: »so you didn't understand. I never suggested aborting a child because they could be badly behaved.
The effect on the family was the only reason I suggested. I didn't say my friends had bad experiences with them either.
I said it had a negative impact.
Now on my 3 rd time explaining you might get that if not I don't care. Your responses are too troll like for me.
I think we understand each other, we just dont agree tbh
Moi? A troll? I could have said the same about your posts :P
Seriously though, alot of posts pee'd me off in this thread and I probably picked yours out of a long line.
So apologies
Ray Palmer wrote: »As there are so many people here with close relationships with ds people maybe you can answer my question. Do ds people want to be like other people without ds?
That would partially give you a gauge on how they feel on their own situation.
I'm pretty sure they're oblivous to the fact they're different
I'm sorry i started this thread now
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I've explained my argument but you refuse to address it. You havent challenged anything, you have failed to even remotely address the argument let alone offer an alternative view. "Your wrong" doesnt really cut it I'm afraid.
You dont seem like the happy go lucky type and to be honest I'd probably have gotten a better discussion out of a turnip. I'm not sure this is going anywhere. Trying to discuss things rationally and reasonably is pretty pointless when the other side can do nothing but try to shout you down out of pure ignorance.
Good day.
lol
Depends on the level of narcotics one consumes before conversation with said turnip I suppose.
Didn't meant to "shout you down" if thats how you feel, but I take offence at somebody who doesn't know me having the arrogance to turn around and say, with 100% confidence, "you are not happy" - I just dont think it's your place to say this, and certainly using the fact that I challenged this statement to say that I am "narky" and clearly not "happy go lucky" is just silly. By your criteria, all the "happy people" are not allowed to retort to posts with any sort of strength in their convictions.0 -
I can say with certainty they are aware they are different and recognise people similar to themselves.Ray Palmer wrote: »As there are so many people here with close relationships with ds people maybe you can answer my question. Do ds people want to be like other people without ds?
That would partially give you a gauge on how they feel on their own situation.
I'm pretty sure they're oblivous to the fact they're different
I'm sorry i started this thread now
There is different ranges of how effected by the condition. There also the real fact they will be called names growing up. The aggressive kid near me was angry about being out smarted and being treated differently. Ds people are surely self aware in most cases.0 -
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OldNotWIse wrote: »lol Depends on the level of narcotics one consumes before conversation with said turnip I suppose.
Didn't meant to "shout you down" if thats how you feel, but I take offence at somebody who doesn't know me having the arrogance to turn around and say, with 100% confidence, "you are not happy" - I just dont think it's your place to say this, and certainly using the fact that I challenged this statement to say that I am "narky" and clearly not "happy go lucky" is just silly. By your criteria, all the "happy people" are not allowed to retort to posts with any sort of strength in their convictions.
I was making the point in regards to happiness itself, your not the only one who experience that and its no different for you than it is for anyone else. We have all evolved to utilise experiences like that for our biological needs. So I dont think its arrogant to discuss it considering its something that does apply to everyone. And if you re-read my posts you'll note I never once said "you are not happy". I never questioned how happy you were only how that happiness relates to life on the whole and how relevant it was in terms of the topic of this thread. As grounds for the creation of a human being. So in my view I said nothing to offend you at all.
And you responded to me using roll eyes, calling me arrogant, asking me what makes me so special, telling me to get over myself, throwing out sarcastic responses. So you set the level of response yourself, dont be pulling the victim routine out now and trying to paint me as the bad guy because you took offence to something I didnt even say and proceeded to engage in a very petty way.
If you dont like being spoken to in that manner then dont engage people in that manner.0 -
I was making the point in regards to happiness itself, your not the only one who experience that and its no different for you than it is for anyone else. We have all evolved to utilise experiences like that for our biological needs. So I dont think its arrogant to discuss it considering its something that does apply to everyone. And if you re-read my posts you'll note I never once said "you are not happy". I never questioned how happy you were only how that happiness relates to life on the whole and how relevant it was in terms of the topic of this thread. As grounds for the creation of a human being. So in my view I said nothing to offend you at all.
And you responded to me using roll eyes, calling me arrogant, asking me what makes me so special, telling me to get over myself, throwing out sarcastic responses. So you set the level of response yourself, dont be pulling the victim routine out now and trying to paint me as the bad guy because you took offence to something I didnt even say and proceeded to engage in a very petty way.
If you dont like being spoken to in that manner then dont engage people in that manner.
Ok so lets pretend post 382 ("Your happy sometimes and unhappy other times") never happened
I happen to like sarcasm (giving and receiving mind) as I feel it adds a certain quality and humour to the argument (if you want to argue with an encylopedia go ahead).
For someone who has spent the past 10 or more posts trying to convince us of the misery of 7 billion people I find it difficult to believe that you can now come out and say,"I never said that" :rolleyes:
And yes I do think you are arrogant, or rather, since I dont know you, I find it arrogant of you to assume that you can dictate to anyone that you do not know about their state of emotional wellbeing, based solely on the fact that they are mortal, and they dare to answer you back. (I refer you to your "not so happy go lucky" and "narky" comments.
Anyways off to lunch. Hope you have a happy day (whats left of it) 0 -
OldNotWIse wrote: »Ok so lets pretend post 382 ("Your happy sometimes and unhappy other times") never happened
But thats a fact not an assumption of your experience. If you were never unhappy then happiness would have no meaning for you. Its a known fact that human being experience a wide range of emotions. Your a human being so its perfectly acceptable to assume your experience those same emotions as the rest of the 7 billion people on the planet.I happen to like sarcasm (giving and receiving mind) as I feel it adds a certain quality and humour to the argument (if you want to argue with an encylopedia go ahead).
Are you serious ? You think sarcasm adds quality to an argument ? Its a lazy man's tool to dismiss and ridicule someone else's point or opinion instead of engaging it. I'm actually astounded that you think sarcasm is quality debate.For someone who has spent the past 10 or more posts trying to convince us of the misery of 7 billion people I find it difficult to believe that you can now come out and say,"I never said that" :rolleyes:
That makes no sense, I have been arguing about existence and what constitutes good reasoning in creating a self aware being. You took offence to me saying you were human (when I assumed you experienced human emotion) and decided to engage in a childish sarcastic and petty way. You yourself said you took offence to me saying "you are not happy" which I never did.And yes I do think you are arrogant, or rather, since I dont know you, I find it arrogant of you to assume that you can dictate to anyone that you do not know about their state of emotional wellbeing, based solely on the fact that they are mortal, and they dare to answer you back. (I refer you to your "not so happy go lucky" and "narky" comments.
Well seeing as you think sarcasm is quality debate and you have done nothing but act like a child and misinterpret everything I have said I wont take offence. Your obviously a very confused individual.Anyways off to lunch. Hope you have a happy day (whats left of it)
Enjoy your lunch, try not to take offence at the lunch lady being so arrogant as to expect you to be hungry. If you do then enjoy your high quality sarcastic debate.0 -
But thats a fact not an assumption of your experience. If you were never unhappy then happiness would have no meaning for you. Its a known fact that human being experience a wide range of emotions. Your a human being so its perfectly acceptable to assume your experience those same emotions as the rest of the 7 billion people on the planet.
Are you serious ? You think sarcasm adds quality to an argument ? Its a lazy man's tool to dismiss and ridicule someone else's point or opinion instead of engaging it. I'm actually astounded that you think sarcasm is quality debate.
That makes no sense, I have been arguing about existence and what constitutes good reasoning in creating a self aware being. You took offence to me saying you were human (when I assumed you experienced human emotion) and decided to engage in a childish sarcastic and petty way. You yourself said you took offence to me saying "you are not happy" which I never did.
Well seeing as you think sarcasm is quality debate and you have done nothing but act like a child and misinterpret everything I have said I wont take offence. Your obviously a very confused individual.
Enjoy your lunch, try not to take offence at the lunch lady being so arrogant as to expect you to be hungry. If you do then enjoy your high quality sarcastic debate.
Lunch lady? lol 0 -
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OldNotWIse wrote: »Lunch lady? lol
You gonna try tell me now your capable of feeding yourself ?? Hahaha pull the other one.0 -
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Smell of hypocrisy and double standards in that post. Your denouncing people having abortions because its selfish while going to great lengths to tell us all how you have benefited from your son.
Abortion is viable option for people and its no more selfish than you getting great pleasure from raising your son. All peoples motives are selfish in nature and its complete naivety to think otherwise.
You came into this thread with a chip on your shoulder and started insulting people left right an centre. I'm sure you'll get a billion thanks as every other "I have a kid with down syndrome and they are great" post has. But it doesnt do one damn fcukin thing for the matter at the centre of this argument. Abortion is still an option, the decision rests with the parents and whatever they decide for whatever reason is perfectly acceptable and for every down syndrome kid like yours living a fantastic life there are others who dont. Same as kids who grow up in financially strapped families, or abusive families. If a parent thinks their kid will face hardships for whatever reason and decided to terminate the pregnancy then that is absolutely fine.
In all fairness i think the arguement that was presented was to show the sterotypical view of people with DS to be wrong.
Of course it would be a defensive post, have you read some of the shyte posted on this thread?
Of course people are going to thank people that have went to the trouble of giving the personel and private experince with a DS child as they're most likely to know what the fcuk they're talking about, regardless of their views. There has been posts of pro-choicers with DS children, I dont agree with some opinion they made but i thanked them because they shared their story.
Take it easy smeg, i much prefer you in the píss take threads 0 -
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In all fairness i think the arguement that was presented was to show the sterotypical view of people with DS to be wrong.
Of course it would be a defensive post, have you read some of the shyte posted on this thread?
Of course people are going to thank people that have went to the trouble of giving the personel and private experince with a DS child as they're most likely to know what the fcuk they're talking about, regardless of their views. There has been posts of pro-choicers with DS children, I dont agree with some opinion they made but i thanked them because they shared their story.
Take it easy smeg, i much prefer you in the píss take threads
I have read a lot of shíte on this thread and given the OP's previous contribution I may have been a bit too harsh I suppose. I have no problem with people thanking posts but in a lot of threads very general stuff like "My kid is doing good" gets thanked while the underlying message also gets validated along with it.
I'm sure everybody here is happy for the guy and the kid that they are doing so well. But my problem is that it often adds clout to tagged on points which really have little to do with the underlying issue. In that last post I felt his last bit about people being selfish for having an abortion was being tagged onto the end.
I'm calm though, rage has subsided, urge to kill fading.0 -
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