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British and Irish Lions Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread

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    #3362
    trouttrout
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,234 ✭✭✭trouttrout


    Rightwing wrote: »
    This makes sense to me, no way could Warburton's price have moved so big without something coming out.

    Nonsense, he went from 6/1 to 11/10 in the few hours after the last six nations game

    You saying that was insider info too?


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    #3363
    Rightwing
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,101 ✭✭✭Rightwing


    trouttrout wrote: »
    Nonsense, he went from 6/1 to 11/10 in the few hours after the last six nations game

    You saying that was insider info too?

    Essentially you are talking complete nonsense if Warburton is captain. I'm talking complete nonsense if he isn't.

    Time will tell who knows and who doesn't.


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    #3364
    trouttrout
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,234 ✭✭✭trouttrout


    Rightwing wrote: »
    Essentially you are talking complete nonsense if Warburton is captain. I'm talking complete nonsense if he isn't.

    Time will tell who knows and who doesn't.

    No........ anyway I'll leave it there, only one person here talking nonsense


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    #3365
    .ak
    Registered Users Posts: 30,308 Mod ✭✭✭✭.ak


    Rightwing wrote: »
    Essentially you are talking complete nonsense if Warburton is captain. I'm talking complete nonsense if he isn't.

    Time will tell who knows and who doesn't.

    Not exactly. The centre of the argument is that the bookies odds isn't an actual indicator...


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    #3366
    .ak
    Registered Users Posts: 30,308 Mod ✭✭✭✭.ak


    Rightwing wrote: »
    POC/Sexton/Healy/Best should all make the Test team if fit imo.

    Can't see Best making it tbh.


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    #3367
    Rightwing
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,101 ✭✭✭Rightwing


    .ak wrote: »
    Not exactly. The centre of the argument is that the bookies odds isn't an actual indicator...

    Under normal circumstances I would agree it's not an actual indicator. But this is entirely different, the information is known. That's why I'll be stunned if Warburton is not captain, the price movements indicates Gatland has left the cat out of the bag.


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    #3368
    Rightwing
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    .ak wrote: »
    Can't see Best making it tbh.

    I'd go with Best, but the other 3 must be certain of a starting place, that's assuming Sexton is fit, which I hope he proves over the next few weeks.


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    #3369
    jamiedav2011
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    Rightwing wrote: »
    Under normal circumstances I would agree it's not an actual indicator. But this is entirely different, the information is known. That's why I'll be stunned if Warburton is not captain, the price movements indicates Gatland has left the cat out of the bag.

    I still have absolutely no idea what point your trying to make here!

    Who 'knows' this information?

    Betting with insider information is, in many cases, illegal, and certainly isn't the reason for major price movements, just as major price movements aren't a good indicator in a market like this.

    Actually, there's a huge amount of money to be made in this market for a speculator with contacts. One small fabricated leak to the press could mean a huge price change.


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    #3370
    Rightwing
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,101 ✭✭✭Rightwing


    jamiedav2011 wrote: »
    I still have absolutely no idea what point your trying to make here!

    Who 'knows' this information?

    Betting with insider information is, in many cases, illegal, and certainly isn't the reason for major price movements, just as major price movements aren't a good indicator in a market like this.

    Actually, there's a huge amount of money to be made in this market for a speculator with contacts. One small fabricated leak to the press could mean a huge price change.

    You are basically answering your own questions.


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    #3371
    trouttrout
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,234 ✭✭✭trouttrout


    Rightwing wrote: »
    Under normal circumstances I would agree it's not an actual indicator. But this is entirely different, the information is known. That's why I'll be stunned if Warburton is not captain, the price movements indicates Gatland has left the cat out of the bag.

    What information is known and how can you back it up?

    I mean this is ridiculous, you know no more than anyone else


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    #3372
    jamiedav2011
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,906 ✭✭✭jamiedav2011


    Rightwing wrote: »
    You are basically answering your own questions.

    What?! A speculator doesn't necessarily have 'inside' info!


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    #3373
    Rightwing
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,101 ✭✭✭Rightwing


    jamiedav2011 wrote: »
    What?! A speculator doesn't necessarily have 'inside' info!

    a 'speculator',,,,,with 'contacts' (i.e. Gatland!)

    And bingo, your there's your 'huge money'


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    #3374
    trouttrout
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,234 ✭✭✭trouttrout


    Rightwing wrote: »
    a 'speculator',,,,,with 'contacts' (i.e. Gatland!)

    And bingo, your there's your 'huge money'

    Warburton is 4/9. If there was inside info from someone like Gatland and a few huge punts made on him he'd be a hell of a lot shorter than that

    POC was 4/7 at one stage last week, more inside info?


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    #3375
    Teferi
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    My brain just leaked out of my ears.


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    #3376
    Rightwing
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    trouttrout wrote: »
    What information is known and how can you back it up?

    I mean this is ridiculous, you know no more than anyone else

    I've never been asked a more simple question in my life.

    Gatland knows who is captain. So the information is known. The real question is, has Gatland inadvertently let it slip. I believe so.

    Now, that shouldn't be confused with me having information. I have none.


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    #3377
    trouttrout
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    Rightwing wrote: »
    I've never been asked a more simple question in my life.

    Gatland knows who is captain. So the information is known. The real question is, has Gatland inadvertently let it slip. I believe so.

    Now, that shouldn't be confused with me having information. I have none.

    Well that much is painfully obvious


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    #3378
    davidpfitz
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    Rightwing wrote: »
    I've never been asked a more simple question in my life.

    Gatland knows who is captain. So the information is known. The real question is, has Gatland inadvertently let it slip. I believe so.

    Now, that shouldn't be confused with me having information. I have none.
    No he doesn't. He has a preference I am sure, but Warburton might knacker his cruciate this weekend for all we know. Nothing is ever set in stone.


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    #3379
    almighty1
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    davidpfitz wrote: »
    No he doesn't. He has a preference I am sure, but Warburton might knacker his cruciate this weekend for all we know. Nothing is ever set in stone.

    No AFAIK he mentioned in an interview recently he had already picked his captain.


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    #3380
    CIARAN_BOYLE
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    almighty1 wrote: »
    No AFAIK he mentioned in an interview recently he had already picked his captain.

    Gatland's choice of captain dies in a car accident tomorrow. Will Gatland bring the coffin on tour to perform captaincy duties?

    Gatland has a pick but there is no guarantee that that person will be fit for the tour.


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    #3381
    Rightwing
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    almighty1 wrote: »
    No AFAIK he mentioned in an interview recently he had already picked his captain.

    He also said he had picked him from a good while back, this has almost certainly eliminated POC.


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    #3382
    sting60
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    trouttrout wrote: »
    Nonsense, he went from 6/1 to 11/10 in the few hours after the last six nations game

    You saying that was insider info too?
    11/4 Thursday morning 10.43am according to ave bookie odds.POC 13/8 BOD 2/1.


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    #3383
    who_me
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    CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »
    Gatland's choice of captain dies in a car accident tomorrow. Will Gatland bring the coffin on tour to perform captaincy duties?

    Gatland has a pick but there is no guarantee that that person will be fit for the tour.

    And even if he tours, if that player has a collapse in form in the midweek games, will he still captain the Test side?


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    #3384
    Rightwing
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    who_me wrote: »
    And even if he tours, if that player has a collapse in form in the midweek games, will he still captain the Test side?

    Yes, Gatland said he wants his captain in the Test team, this may rule out BOD as captain as a lot would have Roberts and Tuilagi in ahead of him.


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    #3385
    who_me
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    .ak wrote: »
    Zebo over Sexton?

    Dunno.. I quite like the idea of Zebo as Lions captain. It'd be the most chilled, relaxed Lions Tour ever...


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    #3386
    trouttrout
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,234 ✭✭✭trouttrout


    Rightwing wrote: »
    Yes, Gatland said he wants his captain in the Test team, this may rule out BOD as captain as a lot would have Roberts and Tuilagi in ahead of him.

    Gatland said the complete opposite, he said it wasn't essential that the captain be a starter


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    #3387
    jimjamcos
    Registered Users Posts: 4,224 ✭✭✭jimjamcos


    who_me wrote: »
    And even if he tours, if that player has a collapse in form in the midweek games, will he still captain the Test side?

    Yes, probably. If he's named Captain he'll be tour captain regardless of playing, given the relative short period of the tour. Why create the "issue" of replacing a tour captain when you can just create a "match" captain if the case arises? And anyone who backed the announced tour capt will have collected their moola regardless.


    People are pedantic.


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    #3388
    Rightwing
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    trouttrout wrote: »
    Gatland said the complete opposite, he said it wasn't essential that the captain be a starter

    A link to that would be most welcome.


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    #3389
    trouttrout
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,234 ✭✭✭trouttrout


    Rightwing wrote: »
    A link to that would be most welcome.

    http://brendanfanningrugby.wordpress.com/2013/04/10/odriscoll-open-to-one-more-season
    Second there is the Lions. Warren Gatland’s attitude to the captaincy is that whoever wears the armband on tour may not automatically be wearing it when the team runs out in the three Tests. So he will pick his team for those contests and then consider who should lead. The tour captain may not be in the 22.

    There are direct quotes from Gatland made about three weeks ago too, but this was the first result


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    #3390
    Rightwing
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    trouttrout wrote: »
    http://brendanfanningrugby.wordpress.com/2013/04/10/odriscoll-open-to-one-more-season



    There are direct quotes from Gatland made about three weeks ago too, but this was the first result

    Thanks. I think I saw the complete opposite on Sky sports.


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    #3391
    thomond2006
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    In a way though, Gatland must say that the tour captain isn't guaranteed a test place.


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