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British and Irish Lions Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread

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    #1142
    danthefan
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    padraig.od wrote: »
    Lads those stats are rubbish. SOB's should be considered in light of him playing 3 test against the the best team in the world during the summer. Warbs had Australia - was Pococke injured? Rennie looks great as he played Samoa & Fiji.

    I'd prefer to see stats for 6N only, it might be a fairer reflection.

    Samoa, yeah they're just awful aren't they?

    And Pocock being injured doesn't make a difference, it's not as if he'd have followed Warburton around the pitch all game.


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    #1143
    English Lurker
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    Fireball07 wrote: »
    Rennie's are really impressive.


    Most metres made, most offloads, most defenders beaten, most clean breaks, most turnovers. Hmmm

    Also got some really dodgy ones - most turned over per match, most penalties conceded and most tackles missed. Maybe I'm being overly dour and English, but that's unacceptable defensive frailty in a back-row forward to me.

    The real loser in those stats is Warburton, looks rather ineffective.
    jamiedav2011 wrote: »
    Impressive on Sunday, though can't see him being anywhere near a Lions squad or the Welsh team.

    Biggar and Hook will rightly be first and second choice at 10 for Wales I'd say, and it's very rare/unlikely to have a 10 as a 'bolter', especially with the likes of Flood, Wilkinson, Laidlaw, Farrell and the above two as competition.

    Biggar's never been trusted for Wales, likewise Hook, Flood's flaky, no one really knows how well Wilko is doing, Laidlaw can't tackle and Farrell's a very poor attacking fly-half, miracle against NZ notwithstanding.

    Right now I'm praying for a bolter at 10. There's a reason everyone's sure about Sexton playing there, and no insult to him, its not because of how great he is.


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    #1144
    Fishooks13
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    English Lurker wrote: »
    Right now I'm praying for a bolter at 10. There's a reason everyone's sure about Sexton playing there, and no insult to him, its not because of how great he is.

    He's the only option at the moment, but in my eyes he's far and above any of the other tens in the home nations, and one of the best in the world


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    #1145
    irishbucsfan
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    Fishooks13 wrote: »
    He's the only option at the moment, but in my eyes he's far and above any of the other tens in the home nations, and one of the best in the world

    What happened to your username? Did you change position? Are you Gordon D'Arcy?


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    #1146
    Fishooks13
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    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    What happened to your username? Did you change position? Are you Gordon D'Arcy?

    Ha no sure I closed the old account. But yes I'm now a lifelong Leinster fan :)


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    #1147
    jamiedav2011
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    English Lurker wrote: »
    Also got some really dodgy ones - most turned over per match, most penalties conceded and most tackles missed. Maybe I'm being overly dour and English, but that's unacceptable defensive frailty in a back-row forward to me.

    The real loser in those stats is Warburton, looks rather ineffective.



    Biggar's never been trusted for Wales, likewise Hook, Flood's flaky, no one really knows how well Wilko is doing, Laidlaw can't tackle and Farrell's a very poor attacking fly-half, miracle against NZ notwithstanding.

    Right now I'm praying for a bolter at 10. There's a reason everyone's sure about Sexton playing there, and no insult to him, its not because of how great he is.

    Ah right, so all our NH fly halfs are **** then eh?


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    #1148
    English Lurker
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    jamiedav2011 wrote: »
    Ah right, so all our NH fly halfs are **** then eh?

    Not the exact words I'd have used.

    For the Lions, I'd be looking for two or three players I'd call 8/10, 9/10 performers. A*. Instead we've got Sexton, who I think is that, and a bunch of guys who are Bs, guys who I'd call 7/10 at best. Competent international performers but little more. Which is personally far from ideal.


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    #1149
    SSK
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    English Lurker wrote: »
    Not the exact words I'd have used.

    For the Lions, I'd be looking for two or three players I'd call 8/10, 9/10 performers. A*. Instead we've got Sexton, who I think is that, and a bunch of guys who are Bs, guys who I'd call 7/10 at best. Competent international performers but little more. Which is personally far from ideal.

    I think that's fair enough. Sexton has been very good for Ireland for the most part, especially if you take into account the pretty limited tactics that we employ. Probably an 8/10 performer at the moment. I'd rather have him than any of the options the Wallabies will have at 10, be it Cooper or someone else.

    Ideally we'd have a number of other 8/10 or better performers competing for the 10 jersey but at the moment all of the options are a bit meh really. One has to hope that A) Sexton dominates in the 6N and really nails down the starting spot and B) Biggar, Flood, Laidlaw, Farrell or whoever else emerges really looks like a genuine contender for the jersey as well.


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    #1150
    jacothelad
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    Patchell. Bolter.


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    #1151
    Hype710
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    jacothelad wrote: »
    Patchell. Bolter.

    No love for Paddy Jackson?


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    #1152
    jacothelad
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    Hype710 wrote: »
    No love for Paddy Jackson?
    Lots. You may have noticed that
    a) He isn't Welsh and
    b) He's behind O'Gara for an international shirt.
    c) Patchell looks the real all round deal. Now. Wales need a 10.
    d) Paddy is still developing.


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    #1153
    Tox56
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    jacothelad wrote: »
    Lots. You may have noticed that
    a) He isn't Welsh and
    b) He's behind O'Gara for an international shirt.
    c) Patchell looks the real all round deal. Now. Wales need a 10.
    d) Paddy is still developing.

    Paddy J Heineken Cup winning outhalf?


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    #1154
    Hype710
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    jacothelad wrote: »
    Lots. You may have noticed that
    a) He isn't Welsh and
    b) He's behind O'Gara for an international shirt.
    c) Patchell looks the real all round deal. Now. Wales need a 10.
    d) Paddy is still developing.

    Time will tell but I'd agree that this will come a year too early for Paddy. He won't be selected ahead of ROG but if he were then he'd be in with a shout. Ulster's likely progression to at least the semi final will have him in the selectors' minds in any case. I haven't seen enough of Patchell but I'd imagine it will be the same scenario for him as well as George Ford, good prospects but unlikely to show what they can do in enough high profile games to be selected in such a crucial position. Then again, there really is a dearth of quality fly halves in these isles so we could yet see a surprise.

    Wouldn't be surprised to see 2 fly halves travel and a third who can cover 10, 12 and possible 15. James Hook springs to mind and has Lions experience.


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    #1155
    jacothelad
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    The thing is patchell might very well play in the 6Ns,. P.J. won't


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    #1156
    bilston
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    Who's Patchell when he's at home? Is this the young Prince Harry lookalike at Cardiff?


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    #1157
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    bilston wrote: »
    Who's Patchell when he's at home? Is this the young Prince Harry lookalike at Cardiff?

    Tis

    And he had a stormer the other night. Was magnifique for a 19year old beanpole 10.


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    #1158
    jacothelad
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Tis

    And he had a stormer the other night. Was magnifique for a 19year old beanpole 10.
    The Welsh guys have been raving about him for some time. Did you see him run down the French wing? Fast as a goose with the squits - and his place kicking was awesome. Tackles like a 7 etc.


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    #1159
    thomond2006
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    http://www.planetrugby.com/story/0,25883,3551_8353860,00.html

    Charteris likely to be out of contention for the Tour.


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    ShamFeen
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    Nick Evans and "Jiffy" Davies have named their teams for the first test.....


    http://www.rugbydump.com/2012/12/2934/nick-evans-and-jonathan-davies-pick-their-british-irish-lions-starting-xv


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    #1161
    danthefan
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    ShamFeen wrote: »
    Nick Evans and "Jiffy" Davies have named their teams for the first test.....


    http://www.rugbydump.com/2012/12/2934/nick-evans-and-jonathan-davies-pick-their-british-irish-lions-starting-xv

    1. Gethin Jenkins

    Stopped reading.


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    #1162
    Deano7788
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    danthefan wrote: »
    1. Gethin Jenkins

    Stopped reading.

    Davies had Sheridan. Also, Evans had Easter. I'm sure there's no bias there or anything...


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    #1163
    Brewster
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    Good to see Rory in both selections. I said a few weeks back- a dark horse for captaincy? He'd be my pick...


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    Glass Prison 1214
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    ShamFeen wrote: »
    Nick Evans and "Jiffy" Davies have named their teams for the first test.....


    http://www.rugbydump.com/2012/12/2934/nick-evans-and-jonathan-davies-pick-their-british-irish-lions-starting-xv

    Cian Healy should be one of the first names on the team sheet ffs, Britain's continued rejection of him is driving me mad. Best loosie in the world!


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    #1165
    WorldRugby99
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    these pundits XVs are such a nonsense.If the lions just pick on reputation and who has the most caps,the tour will just be a joke.It must be picked on current form-they are the players that deserve to go.So much changes so quickly-look at wales-grandslam 6 months ago to now 7 losses in a row.
    Lots of welsh players-gethin jenkins,sam warburton,mike phillips,jamie roberts-do not deserve to be anywhere near a test XV on current form. Even with ireland,until brian o driscoll,paul o connell or stephen ferris are back injury free playing well,they shouldnt be being mentioned.O Driscoll in particularly has it all to do as both manu tuilagi and jonathan davies have been better than him in past year.He needs a brilliant six nations.

    As for loosehead-it will all depend on what gatland wants.if he wants the most mobile prop,then healy gets the nod,if he wants better scrummagers,corbisiero or sheridan will get the nod. Healy has had a pretty decent year,but i really struggle to understand the best loosehead in world comments-I guess you expect a loose to dominate at scrum time and destroy opposition scrums at times for that sort of label.


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    #1166
    Fishooks13
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    WorldRugby99 wrote: »
    these pundits XVs are such a nonsense.If the lions just pick on reputation and who has the most caps,the tour will just be a joke.It must be picked on current form-they are the players that deserve to go.So much changes so quickly-look at wales-grandslam 6 months ago to now 7 losses in a row.
    Lots of welsh players-gethin jenkins,sam warburton,mike phillips,jamie roberts-do not deserve to be anywhere near a test XV on current form. Even with ireland,until brian o driscoll,paul o connell or stephen ferris are back injury free playing well,they shouldnt be being mentioned.O Driscoll in particularly has it all to do as both manu tuilagi and jonathan davies have been better than him in past year.He needs a brilliant six nations.

    As for loosehead-it will all depend on what gatland wants.if he wants the most mobile prop,then healy gets the nod,if he wants better scrummagers,corbisiero or sheridan will get the nod. Healy has had a pretty decent year,but i really struggle to understand the best loosehead in world comments-I guess you expect a loose to dominate at scrum time and destroy opposition scrums at times for that sort of label.

    Which he does on a very regular basis


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    Glass Prison 1214
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    WorldRugby99 wrote: »

    As for loosehead-it will all depend on what gatland wants.if he wants the most mobile prop,then healy gets the nod,if he wants better scrummagers,corbisiero or sheridan will get the nod. Healy has had a pretty decent year,but i really struggle to understand the best loosehead in world comments-I guess you expect a loose to dominate at scrum time and destroy opposition scrums at times for that sort of label.

    You say that as if Cian won't be much use in the scrums at all, his scrummaging is very underrated IMO, and last time he came up against Australia he killed them in the scrums and in the loose in the world cup.


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    Fishooks13
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    Cian Healy is a brilliant scrummager. And even if he wasn't the best it's not like he'll be up against much with the Australian front row


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    #1169
    Deano7788
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    Healy is by far away the best in the loose and if there is a difference in scrummaging between him and the other options (and I'm not sure there is) it's insignificant. He's clearly the best option.


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    #1170
    WorldRugby99
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    give me games in past year v better scrum teams like england,france,safrica or nzealand when healy has domintaed and mangled their scrum? or what about recently V ulster and clermont,when leinster scrum was well beaten-or is the tighthead totally to blame now?
    healy at scrum time has improved but he holds his own most of the time at best.
    its pure irish/leinster bias to me to rate healy quite so highly


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    #1171
    Deano7788
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    WorldRugby99 wrote: »
    give me games in past year v better scrum teams like england,france,safrica or nzealand when healy has domintaed and mangled their scrum? or what about recently V ulster and clermont,when leinster scrum was well beaten-or is the tighthead totally to blame now?
    healy at scrum time has improved but he holds his own most of the time at best.
    its pure irish/leinster bias to me to rate healy quite so highly

    You're not seriously using the England game against him, are you?


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