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British and Irish Lions Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread

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    #1502
    P.Walnuts
    Registered Users Posts: 4,768 ✭✭✭P.Walnuts


    Higher wrote: »
    Ah come on now, firstly he was utterly brilliant against Australia, secondly he wasn't poor against Wales. Brilliant against Italy as well. He got Player of the Pool! http://www.thescore.ie/sean-obrien-named-as-the-official-player-of-pool-c-244900-Oct2011/

    Surely you remember the NZ media going mad over SOB? He trended on twitter in NZ!!

    Ye but we beat the Aussies, of course the NZ/public media were going to be loving us!

    He was poor against Wales, lets be honest the entire team were soundly beaten that day.

    He has the makings of a great openside, but i'm not close to putting him in the McCaw/Pocock/Broussow bracket just yet.


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    #1503
    danthefan
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    Not really sure how you can bracket Brussow with McCaw and Pocock but not SOB. SOB has more caps and has performed as well against top class opposition.


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    #1504
    irishbucsfan
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    Brussow hasn't been in that tier of players since 2009.


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    #1505
    P.Walnuts
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    danthefan wrote: »
    Not really sure how you can bracket Brussow with McCaw and Pocock but not SOB. SOB has more caps and has performed as well against top class opposition.

    Ye i know what you mean, Brossow has had a tough couple of years injury wise. But when he is on form (see Lions tour 2009) he is an openside of the highest quality, certainly comparable to the other two.


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    #1506
    danthefan
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    P.Walnuts wrote: »

    Ye i know what you mean, Brossow has had a tough couple of years injury wise. But when he is on form (see Lions tour 2009) he is an openside of the highest quality, certainly comparable to the other two.

    And SOB proved, conclusively, on the same field as Richie McCaw, that he can too.


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    #1507
    P.Walnuts
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    danthefan wrote: »
    And SOB proved, conclusively, on the same field as Richie McCaw, that he can too.


    Aw here Ok forget Broussow, I was wrong to class him in with Pocock and McCaw.

    Its getting to the point where you cant mention SOB without somebody saying, don't you know he outplayed McCaw?

    Yes he did. One game out of three. If there was 10 games I think we all know who would come out on top. One game, or even 5 or 6 don't prove he is a world class operator at openside.


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    #1508
    Higher
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    P.Walnuts wrote: »
    Aw here Ok forget Broussow, I was wrong to class him in with Pocock and McCaw.

    Its getting to the point where you cant mention SOB without somebody saying, don't you know he outplayed McCaw?

    Yes he did. One game out of three. If there was 10 games I think we all know who would come out on top. One game, or even 5 or 6 don't prove he is a world class operator at openside.

    The guy was ripping apart teams in the 6 Nations. Hes had loads of excellent games.


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    #1509
    P.Walnuts
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    Higher wrote: »
    The guy was ripping apart teams in the 6 Nations. Hes had loads of excellent games.

    This is just more hyberbole


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    #1510
    Higher
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    P.Walnuts wrote: »
    This is just more hyberbole

    No its not. He was running over players for fun. I still remember the England game where he had 4 tacklers on him and still couldn't be put down. Utter nonsense from you to be honest. Why on earth do you think he won European Player of the Year?? IRB put him in the top 5 players of the World Cup. Player of Pool, on world cup dream teams at 7 ....is possible the lad has consistently been excellent??


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    #1511
    P.Walnuts
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    Higher wrote: »
    No its not. He was running over players for fun. I still remember the England game where he had 4 tacklers on him and still couldn't be put down. Utter nonsense from you to be honest. Why on earth do you think he won European Player of the Year??

    Since that would be work more suited to a 6 and not the fetching/ruck work of an openside (which is the basis of the discussion) then i'm afraid you are the one thats talking nonsense.


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    #1512
    Higher
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    P.Walnuts wrote: »
    Since that would be work more suited to a 6 and not the fetching/ruck work of an openside (which is the basis of the discussion) then i'm afraid you are the one thats talking nonsense.

    LOL, so players aren't allowed to run over players unless there in certain positions? He won ERC player of the year at 7, put in IRB top 5 player list at 7, selected in world 15s at, yes you guesed it, 7.

    But sure what does everyone in the rugby world know?


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    Fishooks13
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    It's obvious SOB is one of the top 7's in the world. And he's got a consistency that none of Warburton, McCaw or Pocock can match.


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    #1514
    P.Walnuts
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    Higher wrote: »
    LOL, so players aren't allowed to run over players unless there in certain positions? He won ERC player of the year at 7, put in IRB top 5 player list at 7, selected in world 15s at, yes you guesed it, 7.

    But sure what does everyone in the rugby world know?

    Alright i'm not sure you understand the differences between blindside and openside flanker so I think i'll just have to leave it.


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    #1515
    P.Walnuts
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    Fishooks13 wrote: »
    It's obvious SOB is one of the top 7's in the world. And he's got a consistency that none of Warburton, McCaw or Pocock can match.

    Lord save me.


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    #1516
    Fishooks13
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    P.Walnuts wrote: »
    Alright i'm not sure you understand the differences between blindside and openside flanker so I think i'll just have to leave it.

    Can't believe I'm sticking up for Higher. But he clearly does. A 7 can carry and fetch, SOB does both very, very well.


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    #1517
    Fishooks13
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    P.Walnuts wrote: »
    Lord save me.

    Pocock is constantly injured. McCaw, for all the hyperbole about his performances, often puts in some very average shifts. SOB is easily the most consistent performer of the 3. That's not saying that when the other two perform to the best of their ability he's the best, but he's certainly more consistent in my mind.


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    #1518
    liammur
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    Fishooks13 wrote: »
    It's obvious SOB is one of the top 7's in the world. And he's got a consistency that none of Warburton, McCaw or Pocock can match.

    Yeah, that's true :), after all McCaw is only the 1st player to reach 100 caps for New Zealand. Only 4 titles with the Crusaders, most capped all black captain, world cup captain winner.

    GULP.


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    #1519
    Fishooks13
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    liammur wrote: »
    Yeah, that's true :), after all McCaw is only the 1st player to reach 100 caps for New Zealand. Only 4 titles with the Crusaders, most capped all black captain, world cup captain winner.

    GULP.

    . Not sure what McCaws record has to do with a discussion about the the best 7's in the world right now. I'm not saying SOB is a better player right now, but for the most part he performs well on a more consistent basis to McCaw, who has had some pretty average test games since the WC


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    #1520
    P.Walnuts
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    Fishooks13 wrote: »
    Can't believe I'm sticking up for Higher. But he clearly does. A 7 can carry and fetch, SOB does both very, very well.

    Ye but when discussing a openside's strengths, his ground work should be the first and foremost. So when Higher backed up SOB's 7 credentials with "running over people" and what not eg what he became renound for as a 6, it was pretty baffling to be honest.


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    #1521
    irishbucsfan
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    Groundwork is not ALWAYS first and foremost for a 7. Just the majority of the time.

    A good back row player can be strong at any number of things, it's all dependent on the rest of the unit to make it work.


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    #1522
    nerd69
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    P.Walnuts wrote: »

    Alright i'm not sure you understand the differences between blindside and openside flanker so I think i'll just have to leave it.
    Traditionally that's a 7s role but tht does not mean that's what they have to do I think sob and ferris are tweeners (they can do both jobs) and they share rucking and carrying responsibilities

    Is a 10 who does not place kick a bad 10
    Is a lock that's not a world beater in the air but a beast as a ball carrier/Rucker a bad lock

    The traditional roles are guidelines that's all


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    #1523
    Nervous Nigel
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    Fishooks13 wrote: »
    It's obvious SOB is one of the top 7's in the world...he's got a consistency that none of Warburton, McCaw or Pocock can match.

    Clearly I must still be drunk...surely nobody could post what you've posted and mean it?!


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    #1524
    shuffol
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    SOB had a good but not great 6N, think he was subbed for POM in every game he played, he admitted himself he wasnt happy with his form, his breakdown work wouldnt have been of the quality of Pocock or McCaw but improved significantly towards the end of the season, I think people read too much into the performances against McCaw in the summer, I didnt think he hurt NZ massively at the breakdown but his tackle count was huge, mainly because we were on the defensive for most the tests.

    He's not as good a 7 IMO as the other two mentioned but he's in their bracket as a player. He's probably in the top 3/4 blindsides in the world and also in the top 3/4 opensides. If he played regularly at 8 he'd probably be in the top 10 in the world there too.


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    #1525
    P.Walnuts
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    shuffol wrote: »
    SOB had a good but not great 6N, think he was subbed for POM in every game he played, he admitted himself he wasnt happy with his form, his breakdown work wouldnt have been of the quality of Pocock or McCaw but improved significantly towards the end of the season, I think people read too much into the performances against McCaw in the summer, I didnt think he hurt NZ massively at the breakdown but his tackle count was huge, mainly because we were on the defensive for most the tests.

    He's not as good a 7 IMO as the other two mentioned but he's in their bracket as a player. He's probably in the top 3/4 blindsides in the world and also in the top 3/4 opensides. If he played regularly at 8 he'd probably be in the top 10 in the world there too.

    This is definitely more my line of thinking. Although I still probably wouldn't rate him as highly as you at 7. A world class 6 though for sure.


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    #1526
    tolosenc
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    liammur wrote: »
    Yeah, that's true :), after all McCaw is only the 1st player to reach 100 caps for New Zealand. Only 4 titles with the Crusaders, most capped all black captain, world cup captain winner.

    GULP.

    How many Heineken Cups has McCaw won though?

    How many hectares per hour can McCaw plough?


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    #1527
    liammur
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    tolosenc wrote: »
    How many Heineken Cups has McCaw won though?

    How many hectares per hour can McCaw plough?

    He's probably a piss poor player by your definition.


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    #1528
    danthefan
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    For the record I don't think he's a better openside than McCaw or Pocock. And Dusautoir is capable of playing at a level above absolutely everyone imo but he doesn't do it that often. SOB is in the top bracket though when he's on form, which he hasn't been so much since coming back from the hip injury.


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    #1529
    dropkickrugby
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    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    Groundwork is not ALWAYS first and foremost for a 7. Just the majority of the time.

    A good back row player can be strong at any number of things, it's all dependent on the rest of the unit to make it work.

    Thierry Dusatoir being a case in point. Brilliant at everything, but least brilliant at turnovers. Tries to get in there every time though.


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    #1530
    liammur
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    dropkickrugby wrote: »
    Thierry Dusatoir being a case in point. Brilliant at everything, but least brilliant at turnovers. Tries to get in there every time though.

    Yeah, he is a top class player, and a great attitude about him.


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    #1531
    thomond2006
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    This doesn't sound good for Alex Corbisiero: http://www.planetrugby.com/story/0,25883,16024_8382328,00.html


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