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British and Irish Lions Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread

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    #2012
    Dublin Red Devil
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    Healy
    Best
    Cole
    Launchbury
    Gray
    Haskell
    Robshaw
    Heaslip
    Youngs
    Farrell
    North
    Tuilagi
    O'Driscoll
    Cuthbert
    Halfpenny


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    #2013
    TopOfTheRight
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    Dublin Red Devil wrote: »
    Healy
    Best
    Cole
    Launchbury
    Gray
    Haskell
    Robshaw
    Heaslip
    Youngs
    Farrell
    North
    Tuilagi
    O'Driscoll
    Cuthbert
    Halfpenny

    I was with you until here


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    #2014
    irishbucsfan
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    Farrell is a very good player but I just don't think he's on the same level as Sexton.

    Sexton is certainly not perfect either, but he should suit the game plan against Australia. Unless we plan to keep things tight, which we surely won't.


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    #2015
    Dublin Red Devil
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    TopOfTheRight wrote: »
    I was with you until here

    Who then ?. O'Brian?


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    #2016
    pickarooney
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    I thought Cole was fairly poor today. Not sure why he's one of the untouchables.


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    #2017
    TopOfTheRight
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    Dublin Red Devil wrote: »
    Who then ?. O'Brian?

    O'Brien is in a different league to Haskell imo, Tom Wood is also a better 6

    EDIT - assuming Ferris and Lydiate dont make it


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    #2018
    irishbucsfan
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    Fingers crossed Lydiate will be fit.


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    #2019
    Tigerandahalf
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    I think Gatland has put himself under pressure with his comments about including English players. The big thing is what style the Lions will adopt. With Andy Farrell involved it looks like it will be an English gameplan based around choking the life out of the Aussies. A dominant scrum and tight defence. The English lineout was poor though so will be interesting to see who fills these spots come Lions time. Halfpenny seems to have nailed the full back spot and Cuthbert and North could yet be beside him.
    Back row and 2nd row are still up in the air.


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    #2020
    Dublin Red Devil
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    TopOfTheRight wrote: »
    O'Brien is in a different league to Haskell imo, Tom Wood is also a better 6

    But both O'Brain and Robshaw are Openside Flankers


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    #2021
    irishbucsfan
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    Dublin Red Devil wrote: »
    But both O'Brain and Robshaw are Openside Flankers

    O'Brien plays 6 very well. Was the European player of the year at 6.

    He's still plays there depending on game plan. Although I think there are better 6s that will hopefully be available to us.


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    #2022
    CIARAN_BOYLE
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    Dublin Red Devil wrote: »
    But both O'Brain and Robshaw are Openside Flankers
    O'Brien is excellent at BS flanker as well. Ferris and Lydiate are better blindsides but O'Brien is head and shoulders above above Haskell at 6


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    #2023
    TopOfTheRight
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    Dublin Red Devil wrote: »
    But both O'Brain and Robshaw are Openside Flankers

    Unless you had only started watching him this season you would know SOB is good enough to play blindside for this team, would be surprised if Robshaw is not the 7 and Heaslip the 8


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    #2024
    Tigerandahalf
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    It will be hard to get the balance right in the backrow.
    If the Lions play a very tight game having an openside like Tipuric may not be as important. No 8 seems to be the position where there isnt strength in depth. You would imagine the Lions would want a lineout option at either 6 or 8, thus that limits certain players like OBrien, Haskell.
    That will be big challenge for Gatland to find balance there.
    Playing a loose game in 20 degree heat may give the advantage to the Aussies.


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    #2025
    Fits Morris
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    The Wales-England match could go a long way towards deciding a number of Test spots, namely:

    14: Cuthbert v Ashton
    13/12 - Tuilagi/Barritt v Davies/Roberts
    9 - Youngs currently in pole position but if Phillips was to get back to his best he is still in with a shout
    8 - Faletau v Wood/possibly Morgan if fit
    7 - Robshaw in the box seat here but Tipuric may still be in with a chance
    5/4 - Evans has a chance of forcing out either Parling or Launchbury
    1 - Corbisiero would have been my choice but won't be fit for this match and very doubtful for the tour, Jenkins and Marler could be in direct competition for a starting spot here - Healy is too indisciplined


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    #2026
    Tigerandahalf
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    I hope Gatland doesnt bring Ashton. He wouldnt be a good tourist or add to the squad spirit. No need to when there are good alternatives.


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    #2027
    thomond2006
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    Tigerandahalf wrote: »
    I hope Gatland doesnt bring Ashton. He wouldnt be a good tourist or add to the squad spirit.No need to when there are good alternatives.

    Ashton is an excellent winger.


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    #2028
    Fits Morris
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    If Ashton should have a problem with anybody it's Tuilagi - but they seem to get on just fine together for England despite their infamous on-field falling out a couple of years back.

    That isn't to say that personalities can't have a negative effect, far from it - on the last tour to Australia, Austin Healy and Matt Dawson got uppity when they weren't picked for the tests and it definitely affected the spirit in the camp. A lot will depend on how the management handle things. A New Zealander in charge of Wales was the coach for that tour and so it is again this time round. Graham Henry was a dead man walking as Wales coach after that tour - it'll be very interesting to see if being in charge of the Lions affects Gatland's tenure with Wales afterwards.


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    #2029
    twinytwo
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    Fits Morris wrote: »
    The Wales-England match could go a long way towards deciding a number of Test spots, namely:

    14: Cuthbert v Ashton
    13/12 - Tuilagi/Barritt v Davies/Roberts
    9 - Youngs currently in pole position but if Phillips was to get back to his best he is still in with a shout
    8 - Faletau v Wood/possibly Morgan if fit
    7 - Robshaw in the box seat here but Tipuric may still be in with a chance
    5/4 - Evans has a chance of forcing out either Parling or Launchbury
    1 - Corbisiero would have been my choice but won't be fit for this match and very doubtful for the tour, Jenkins and Marler could be in direct competition for a starting spot here - Healy is too indisciplined

    Mate id say you could fit your rugby knowledge onto a pin head....


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    #2030
    pickarooney
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    Tigerandahalf wrote: »
    I think Gatland has put himself under pressure with his comments about including English players. The big thing is what style the Lions will adopt. With Andy Farrell involved it looks like it will be an English gameplan based around choking the life out of the Aussies. A dominant scrum and tight defence.

    I fear the worst on this score. What time will these matches be at? Can't see myself getting/staying up to watch them.


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    #2031
    CatFromHue
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    pickarooney wrote: »
    I fear the worst on this score. What time will these matches be at? Can't see myself getting/staying up to watch them.

    They won't be too bad, most will be on about 10 or 11 I think.


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    #2032
    Fits Morris
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    twinytwo wrote: »
    Mate id say you could fit your rugby knowledge onto a pin head....
    Do please demonstrate your reasoning for that :pac:


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    #2033
    jacothelad
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    twinytwo wrote: »
    Mate id say you could fit your rugby knowledge onto a pin head....

    With room for a generous size font.


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    #2034
    jamiedav2011
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    Fits Morris wrote: »
    Do please demonstrate your reasoning for that :pac:

    That one would be a good indication anyway...
    Fits Morris wrote: »
    The Wales-England match could go a long way towards deciding a number of Test spots, namely:

    14: Cuthbert v Ashton
    13/12 - Tuilagi/Barritt v Davies/Roberts
    9 - Youngs currently in pole position but if Phillips was to get back to his best he is still in with a shout
    8 - Faletau v Wood/possibly Morgan if fit
    7 - Robshaw in the box seat here but Tipuric may still be in with a chance
    5/4 - Evans has a chance of forcing out either Parling or Launchbury
    1 - Corbisiero would have been my choice but won't be fit for this match and very doubtful for the tour, Jenkins and Marler could be in direct competition for a starting spot here - Healy is too indisciplined


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    #2035
    Podge_irl
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    Fits Morris wrote: »
    The Wales-England match could go a long way towards deciding a number of Test spots, namely:

    14: Cuthbert v Ashton
    13/12 - Tuilagi/Barritt v Davies/Roberts
    9 - Youngs currently in pole position but if Phillips was to get back to his best he is still in with a shout
    8 - Faletau v Wood/possibly Morgan if fit
    7 - Robshaw in the box seat here but Tipuric may still be in with a chance
    5/4 - Evans has a chance of forcing out either Parling or Launchbury
    1 - Corbisiero would have been my choice but won't be fit for this match and very doubtful for the tour, Jenkins and Marler could be in direct competition for a starting spot here - Healy is too indisciplined

    Out of curiosity, do you think any Irish players will make the team?


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    #2036
    Podge_irl
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    I really don't care what happens in the next two games. Sexton is immeasurably better than Farrell as a fly half and will start there for all the tests unless he is injured. I'm not (I think) a rabid Irish fan with regards the Lions, I don't think any other Irish players are guaranteed to start and would have only BOD and SOB as guaranteed tourists otherwise. Sexton is far and away the best flyhalf in the BI though.


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    #2037
    sting60
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    Todays game will tell us who is the worst team outside Italy and on that basis alot of posters are going to get a shock at the amount of Lions picks Ireland are going to get.I tend to watch games with my eyes with my ears closed and not the other way around.As I have posted before Gatland will wait until the last game is played to fully pick his squad as im sure he already has certain players on the plane.Unless Kearney has a MOM performance today he will not travel as I think he behind Halfpenny.Hogg and Goode.BOD will need a master showing to travel[maybe at 12].Alot to play for at 4,5,6.The Irish dark horse to start first test is Peter O Mahony[stormer today please].Very disappointed with Farrell yesterday but at least we know the no7 and captain.Looking forward to watching Kelly Brown today as i think he is a super player.My front row so far is Healy,Best[throwing??] and Euan Murray.Another player we have to watch is Tim Visser with the excellent Hogg at full back.


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    #2038
    Tigerandahalf
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    You are relying on present form there. Playing Euan Murray in the first test the last time instead of Adam Jones cost the Lions the series. Kearney will definitely travel but prob wont start. Previous Lions experience will count.


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    #2039
    irishbucsfan
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    Tigerandahalf wrote: »
    You are relying on present form there. Playing Euan Murray in the first test the last time instead of Adam Jones cost the Lions the series. Kearney will definitely travel but prob wont start. Previous Lions experience will count.
    Murray wasn't involved at all.

    It was Vickery and Mears who had trouble.


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    #2040
    Dublin Red Devil
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    Healy
    Best    (even thought he's been terrible today)
    Cole
    Launchbury
    Hamilton
    Robshaw
    O'Brian
    Heaslip
    Youngs
    Farrell
    North
    Tuilagi
    O'Driscoll
    Chutbert
    Halfpenny

    6 English
    5 Irish
    3 Welsh
    1 Scottish


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    #2041
    Fits Morris
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    Podge_irl wrote: »
    Out of curiosity, do you think any Irish players will make the team?
    Ooh, tough call after that.


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