Gay Marriage/Marriage Equality/End of World?

jimeryan22

Jernal wrote: »

Mod note:

Piliger has been given a weeks holidays for persisting in condescending remarks and tone when addressing other posters.

We believe over here on the Ukraine thread that pilliger seems to be troliing

Turtwig

jimeryan22 wrote: »

We believe over here on the Ukraine thread that pilliger seems to be troliing

Agnostic on threads I haven't yet read. Also we've got no moderating powers in threads that aren't in our forums. We're just ordinary posters (sigh!). Really wish we had site wide power but we don't. You'll have to take it up with the local mod team of whatever forum the thread you're running is in.

lazygal

Jernal wrote: »

Agnostic on threads I haven't yet read. Also we've got no moderating powers in threads that aren't in our forums. We're just ordinary posters (sigh!). Really wish we had site wide power but we don't. You'll have to take it up with the local mod team of whatever forum the thread you're running is in.

That's heathen talk.

Turtwig

lazygal wrote: »

That's heathen talk.

D'uh looks who's speaking.:D Moderates Christianity and Atheism & Agnosticism. What else could I possibly be but heathen?

Nodin

Jernal wrote: »

D'uh looks who's speaking.:D Moderates Christianity and Atheism & Agnosticism. What else could I possibly be but heathen?

Confused?

Weary?

Bannasidhe

Nodin wrote: »

Confused?

Weary?

Insane.


:pac:

aloyisious

Jernal wrote: »

D'uh looks who's speaking.:D Moderates Christianity and Atheism & Agnosticism. What else could I possibly be but heathen?

Celtic druidic?

robindch

Conor Burns, the gay Conservative MP for Bournemouth, may have been excommunicated by his local bishop for supporting gay marriage.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/10727962/Gay-marriage-MP-told-he-has-excommunicated-himself-by-voting-for-same-sex-weddings.html

He's also received a bunch of hate-mail.

aloyisious

http://attitude.co.uk/watch-clip-channel-4s-gay-wedding-musical/

Delirium

On phone so can't quote from link.

http://mobile.theverge.com/2014/3/31/5568136/okcupid-asks-users-to-boycott-firefox-because-of-ceos-gay-rights

Members of Mozilla board quit due to CEO support of prop 8. Okcupid asking users to boycott Firefox.

Turtwig

Don't like these sort of things.

The private opinions of a employee (CEO) aren't reflective of the opinions of the organisation. Only if Mozilla had homophobic policies should people really consider these boycotts.

aloyisious

I don't want to set up a separate thread for what may be a short-lived item. Sean Murray is discussing with working women the decision on whether to quit their jobs due to baby showing up. For some reason, along with the mums concerned, David of Iona has been invited onto the discussion. I await developments (maybe - or not- he had a deprived childhood due to his mum working). Maybe there ought to be a separate thread, on the lines of "What David said/did today"..... :-)

B0jangles

I like the bit where the Marianist representative said that encouraging mothers to take up paid work outside the home was a communist plot.

(She's not making it up, just read Marx and Engels)

lazygal

It was a blast from the past. I got the impression David wanted nothing to do with her rantings........

iwantmydinner

He knows a PR disaster when he sees one

Brian Shanahan

Jernal wrote: »

The private opinions of a employee (CEO) aren't reflective of the opinions of the organisation.

The problem with this kind of thinking is that, given the corporate control of pretty much all aspects of government and the media, the CEO's views on any issue, especially the CEO of a highly visible company like Mozilla (it'd be worse if it were e.g. Bill Gates, it is worse when it's Murdoch), when expressed in such a way as they become public are no longer the personal views of a private citizen.

The fact of the matter is, that because a highly visible company's CEO has expressed opposition to gay marriage then politicians are going to be more likely to also oppose it, especially as the same politicians are far more interested in getting funding, backhanders and promises of future board jobs (20 hours a month for near six times the median wage for the lowest paid board members) than listening to the wishes (or better yet doing the right thing for) their employers, the nation's citizens.

_Redzer_

If he donated to an anti-black group I'm sure he'd already be fired

old hippy

_Redzer_ wrote: »

If he donated to an anti-black group I'm sure he'd already be fired

There will be some sort of statment, attempting an apology. Just wait and see.

FouxDaFaFa

Reminds me of when the GoDaddy CEO shot and killed an elephant on a safari holiday and then put a video of it up on his website.

You could argue he wasn't directly involving GoDaddy (even though he wearing GoDaddy merch while doing it) but it certainly tainted the company's reputation.

lazygal

old hippy wrote: »

There will be some sort of statment, attempting an apology. Just wait and see.

"If anyone was offended...."

old hippy

lazygal wrote: »

"If anyone was offended...."

Then there will be those who can't understand why some might be offended and so on

aloyisious

I see there's another thread on the topic of Gay Marriage "Gays Against Gay Marriage?" on the LGBT Forum page., started today at about 1030.

Cabaal

aloyisious wrote: »

I see there's another thread on the topic of Gay Marriage "Gays Against Gay Marriage?" on the LGBT Forum page., started today at about 1030.

This thread, http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057180668
Not that unusual, as I've said on thread many women didn't want women to have the right to vote.

Sad that people can't see themselves as equal

gaynorvader

Cabaal wrote: »

This thread, http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057180668
Not that unusual, as I've said on thread many women didn't want women to have the right to vote.

Sad that people can't see themselves as equal

If some women don't want women to have the right to vote they should start a petition to get a vote to take that right away. It's kind of silly to me though because if you don't want to vote you don't have to...

Sulla Felix

Flip this around a minute. If Mozilla was an avowedly anti-gay corporation (however that might manifest itself) and Eich was pro-gay, and Mozilla was getting boycotted by fundies demanding that he be removed, wouldn't we all be frothing at the mouth at the idea of the company coming under pressure to remove someone based on their personal opinion?

lazygal

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2014/03/31/jail-people-conversion-therapy/


Pray teh gehy away!!!!!! Or go to jail.

pauldla

lazygal wrote: »

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2014/03/31/jail-people-conversion-therapy/


Pray teh gehy away!!!!!! Or go to jail.

Best line from the article:

It is widely advocated by crazy Christian fundamentalists

robindch

Two penguins from Dingle
well, both they were boys,
hold flappers so gently
with love in their oys.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/gay-penguins-make-perfect-match-263998.html

Irish Examiner wrote:

Ireland’s first gay penguin couple have set up a nest together in the country’s only gentoo penguin colony. The same-sex pair, Penelope and Missy, are exhibiting all the signs of a courting couple in their €1m polar ice home in Dingle Oceanworld.

They are following in the footsteps of a number of famous same-sex penguin couples including long-time pair, Roy and Silo, from the Central Park Zoo in New York City, along with a King penguin couple in a Danish zoo which became adoptive fathers to a chick from an abandoned egg.

The Irish duo are one of five couples which have paired off for the breeding season at the polar exhibition which mimics the icy conditions at the South Pole in the Kerry Aquarium. The head penguin keeper, Kate Hall, said same-sex couples are not unheard of in the penguin world, although it is usually two males who pair off.

“The ones in Central Park are icons for the gay community over there,” said Ms Hall. “They have a lot of fondness and affection for them. “It’s definitely not an unusual occurrence although this time it’s two females.”

She said Missy and Penelope have been displaying all the signs of a courting couple in their enclosure, which is home to a dozen of the black and white creatures.

“The thing penguins do to show they like each other is they bow to each other and they are doing that. “When they come into breeding season, they do it to the penguin of their choice and it reinforces the bond between them.

“It is very sweet to watch.”

PopePalpatine

Meanwhile, the Ionanists are rushing to the nearest bin/toilet/paper bag...

Bannasidhe

PopePalpatine wrote: »

Meanwhile, the Ionanists are rushing to the nearest bin/toilet/paper bag...

tis unnatural....

Nodin

robindch wrote: »

Two penguins from Dingle
well, both they were boys,
hold flappers so gently
with love in their oys.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/gay-penguins-make-perfect-match-263998.html

...this, and there was a half sheep, half goat born there recently. It's the fallout from gay marriage across the water working its way across the country.

aloyisious

You know the end is nigh when a right-wing white fundamentalist christian yank says this........ http://www.queerty.com/pat-buchanan-just-knows-that-god-is-on-putins-side-20140404/

robindch

Two different approaches to gay marriage and gay adoption.

In the British corner, stands the Archbishop of Canterbury who suggested that the CofE should take seriously the threats of retaliatory violence around the world when considering whether or not to support gay marriage:

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-26894133

In the Argentinian corner, stands president Kirchner who agreed to be godmother to the child of a lesbian couple:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-26909115

robindch

aloyisious wrote: »

You know the end is nigh when a right-wing white fundamentalist christian yank says this http://www.queerty.com/pat-buchanan-just-knows-that-god-is-on-putins-side-20140404/

Pat Buchanan Just Knows That God Is On Putin’s Side

Popette announced last week that while there were some problems with Putin, his support for the church and his condemnation of the ghey were "the right thing". Meanwhile, the EU is still run by "fascists".

/sigh

Nodin

aloyisious wrote: »

You know the end is nigh when a right-wing white fundamentalist christian yank says this........ http://www.queerty.com/pat-buchanan-just-knows-that-god-is-on-putins-side-20140404/

He was always a bit out there, but over the years has journeyed further still.

PopePalpatine

robindch wrote: »

Popette announced last week that while there were some problems with Putin, his support for the church and his condemnation of the ghey were "the right thing". Meanwhile, the EU is still run by "fascists".

/sigh

If she learned about General Franco I doubt she'd use "fascist" as an insult.

robindch

UK - A teacher explains to a school assembly that he's gay, so he resigns after parents say that they don't want their kids to know that it's ok to be gay.

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2014/04/06/uk-gay-teacher-resigns-after-parents-complain-children-might-learn-its-ok-to-be-gay/

PinkNews wrote:

A gay primary school teacher in Birmingham has resigned, after parents complained they did not want him teaching their children. According to the Sunday Times, Andrew Moffat was assistant head at Birmingham’s Chilwell Croft Academy, where he designed several pro-LGBT resources, including a pamphlet called ‘Challenging Homophobia in Primary Schools’.

However, after coming out in an assembly, and teaching a literacy lesson using a book in which a gay family attends a picnic, he was besieged by protests from parents. He told the newspaper: “I did come out at school in an assembly after a group of 11-year-olds held up a poster they made, with the heading ‘Gay is good’. It seemed like the right time to let the children know that they knew a gay person.

“Following my coming out, some parents from different communities complained to the school, but I maintain that my decision was the right one at that time. “Some Christian and some Muslim parents have told me they don’t want their children learning that it’s OK to be gay.” After the protests, Moffat resigned from his post at the school, and has since found a teaching post elsewhere.

A statement from the school said: “A minority group of parents objected to some of the resource books being used in literacy lessons with some of the oldest children in the school, which explored relationships in different families. “The objections were primarily voiced by those whose own religion took an opposing stance to homosexuality.”

robindch

And support for marriage equality continues to rise - since November 2012, when it was at 53%, to 67% now. Opposition to it has declined by around one third, from 30% to 21%.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/support-for-same-sex-marriage-increasing-poll-finds-1.1752448

Irish Times wrote:

Support for same-sex marriage has increased over the past 18 months as debate on the issue has intensified, according to the latest Irish Times /Ipsos MRBI poll. Asked how they plan to vote in the referendum on the issue, promised by the Government next year, 67 per cent said they would vote Yes, 21 per cent No and 12 per cent were undecided. The corresponding figures in an Irish Times poll in November 2012 were 53 per cent Yes, 30 per cent No, and 17 per cent undecided.

When the undecided are excluded from the current poll, the Yes figure is 76 per cent with 24 per cent No, compared to a figure of 64 per cent Yes and 36 per cent No in November 2012. The poll also shows voters are of the view that a traditional family of a father and mother is best suited to bringing up children by comparison with any other combination. The survey was undertaken on Tuesday and Wednesday of last week among a representative sample of 1,000 voters aged 18 and over, in face-to-face interviews at 100 sampling points in all constituencies. The margin of error is plus or minus 3 per cent.

There are wide differences in attitudes towards same-sex marriage across the different age groups and social classes. Younger voters are much more likely to support same-sex marriage than older people with support for a Yes vote declining steadily with age. Among the 18 to 24 age group, 80 per cent said they would vote in favour of same-sex marriage, 13 per cent said they would vote No and 7 per cent were undecided. This compares to 44 per cent of those aged 65 and over who would vote Yes, with 40 per cent saying they would vote No and 16 per cent undecided.

Women were significantly more in favour of a change than men, with 73 per cent of women saying they will vote Yes compared to 61 per cent of men. There is also some variation in class with 71 per cent of the best-off AB voters saying they will vote Yes compared to 62 per cent of the poorest DE group and just 40 per cent of farmers. There are differences too across the party political divide with Labour voters the most enthusiastic for change with 80 per cent support followed by Independent/Other voters on 74 per cent. Among Fine Gael voters the Yes support is 69 per cent, 68 per cent among Sinn Féin voters and it drops to 55 per cent among Fianna Fáil supporters.

The high level of Labour support tallies with party leader Eamon Gilmore’s declaration that same-sex marriage is the most important civil rights issue of the age.

Going Strong

robindch wrote: »

And support for marriage equality continues to rise - since November 2012, when it was at 53%, to 67% now. Opposition to it has declined by around one third, from 30% to 21%.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/support-for-same-sex-marriage-increasing-poll-finds-1.1752448

Pfft. Means nothing. Wait until the decent people of Ireland see the way the liberal elite are bullying those opposed to SSM and switch their opinions in time to defeat this outrageous intolerance against bigotry and prejudice. You'll see. You'll all see!

lazygal

Surely the might of God will ensure the right result?

gaynorvader

Going Strong wrote: »

Pfft. Means nothing. Wait until the decent people of Ireland see the way the liberal elite are bullying those opposed to SSM and switch their opinions in time to defeat this outrageous intolerance against bigotry and prejudice. You'll see. You'll all see!

In addition to a sarcasm font, I think a satire font is needed! :P

This is satire, right?

Links234

Going Strong wrote: »

You'll see. You'll all see!

Brilliant! :pac:

Going Strong

gaynorvader wrote: »

In addition to a sarcasm font, I think a satire font is needed! :P

This is satire, right?

It is indeed. As a notGay with no intention of marrying anyone, The Gays can have my place in the queue and good luck to them.

aloyisious

Going Strong wrote: »

Pfft. Means nothing. Wait until the decent people of Ireland see the way the liberal elite are bullying those opposed to SSM and switch their opinions in time to defeat this outrageous intolerance against bigotry and prejudice. You'll see. You'll all see!

excellent.....

https://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CC4QyCkwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DlcWVL4B-4pI%26feature%3Dkp&ei=BKFCU5i1Geqp7QaZw4HgCw&usg=AFQjCNHimD5kI3UUwzUEno-q74sRsmmA0A&bvm=bv.64125504,d.ZGU

JimiTime

robindch wrote: »

UK - A teacher explains to a school assembly that he's gay, so he resigns after parents say that they don't want their kids to know that it's ok to be gay.

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2014/04/06/uk-gay-teacher-resigns-after-parents-complain-children-might-learn-its-ok-to-be-gay/

He abused his position in the school to promote his politik to children, knowing that the idea of sexual immorality matters to many parents and that they would not like their children learning that sex outside of the context that God intended is perfectly acceptable. I would certainly welcome his resignation if he refused to just do his job and insisted in using his position to promote his politics to children.

Obliq

JimiTime wrote: »

He abused his position in the school to promote his politik to children,

Oh boy. I have so many problems with your post, I'll have to just focus on your first sentence.

No. Just no. He was honest enough a person to tell the children he's gay. Promote his politik? What does that even MEAN in this context? The man told children he's gay, that's all. It's criminal to even think that's wrong IMO>

Gordon

robindch wrote: »

Two different approaches to gay marriage and gay adoption.

In the British corner, stands the Archbishop of Canterbury who suggested that the CofE should take seriously the threats of retaliatory violence around the world when considering whether or not to support gay marriage:

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-26894133

On his first live phone-in on LBC Radio, Archbishop Welby spoke about a trip to Africa, and recalled visiting a grave where 369 people had been buried.

He said the victims had been killed because local people believed allowing a Christian community to exist would mean "we would all be made to become homosexual".

Looks like this guy is marketing his company to sell the product by trying to appeal to the larger audience to me.

The Christian Bible wrote:

Matthew 5:10
Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Must be a context issue.

_Redzer_

JimiTime wrote: »

He abused his position in the school to promote his politik to children, knowing that the idea of sexual immorality matters to many parents and that they would not like their children learning that sex outside of the context that God intended is perfectly acceptable. I would certainly welcome his resignation if he refused to just do his job and insisted in using his position to promote his politics to children.

Yay, Jimi you're back and more blatant than ever!

oscarBravo

JimiTime wrote: »

...they would not like their children learning that sex outside of the context that God intended is perfectly acceptable.

It's at times like this that I am literally filled with joy that the world is steadily giving less and less of a f*ck about whatever hangups your imaginary friend has with sex.

If you want to have your sex life dictated by the constraints of bronze-age mythology, knock yourself out. It must really upset you that it's becoming less acceptable for you and yours to impose those constraints on others, but that's not an idea that troubles me one iota.

Delirium

JimiTime wrote: »

He abused his position in the school to promote his politik to children, knowing that the idea of sexual immorality matters to many parents and that they would not like their children learning that sex outside of the context that God intended is perfectly acceptable. I would certainly welcome his resignation if he refused to just do his job and insisted in using his position to promote his politics to children.

He was public regarding his sexuality and was supplying pamphlets about challenging homophobia in schools as well as using a book that had gay parents in the story.

What about children of same-sex couples? Why does homophobia trump being more inclusive towards gay students or children of same-sex couples?