Gay Marriage/Marriage Equality/End of World?

aloyisious

Corkfeen wrote: »

Smiting us with meteor strikes is the worst.

Iona say's "God acts in mysterious ways". Look's like rail strike is going ahead on Sunday, plan alternative travel means.

krudler

aloyisious wrote: »

Bring a brolly with you on Sunday if you're walking for equality.

must. resist. making. it's. raining. men. joke.

lazygal

aloyisious wrote: »

Iona say's "God acts in mysterious ways". Look's like rail strike is going ahead on Sunday, plan alternative travel means.

'Alternative travel'. Is that available to book in the gay lobby?

lazygal

krudler wrote: »

must. resist. making. it's. raining. men. joke.

Excuse you. When GAY MARRIAGE comes in and the world starts collapsing around us it'll be raining wimmin too. Big gay wimmin everywhere and no one will ever have children or get straight married again ever.

SebBerkovich

lazygal wrote: »

Excuse you. When GAY MARRIAGE comes in and the world starts collapsing around us it'll be raining wimmin too. Big gay wimmin everywhere and no one will ever have children or get straight married again ever.

It'll be just like some kind of post apocalyptic world where all humans become Catholic Priests.

Brian Shanahan

SebBerkovich wrote: »

It'll be just like some kind of post apocalyptic world where all humans become Catholic Priests.

[Ron Perlman] Mass. Mass never changes.
The Romans waged mass to gather slaves and wealth. Spain built an empire from its lust for gold and territory. Hitler shaped a battered Germany into an economic superpower.
But mass never changes.
In the 21st century, mass was still waged over the resources that could be acquired. Only this time, the spoils of mass were also its weapons: Petroleum and Uranium. For these resources, China would invade Alaska, the US would annex Canada, and the European Commonwealth would dissolve into quarreling, bickering nation-states, bent on controlling the last remaining resources on Earth.
In 2077, the storm of world mass had come again. In two brief hours, most of the planet was reduced to cinders. And from the ashes of nuclear devastation, a new civilization would struggle to arise.
A few were able to reach the relative safety of the large underground Vaults. Your family was part of that group that entered Vault Thirteen. Imprisoned safely behind the large Vault door, under a mountain of stone, a generation has lived without knowledge of the outside world.
Life in the Vault is about to change.
[/Ron Perlman]

aloyisious

lazygal wrote: »

'Alternative travel'. Is that available to book in the gay lobby?

Sorry, typo... Should have used versatile,

Links234

Speaking of marriage...

Russian Authorities Forced To Allow A Same-Sex Wedding :pac:

robindch

A bad morning for Quinn and his few friends:

Florida’s state ban on gay marriage has been ruled unconstitutional

http://www.thejournal.ie/gay-marriage-florida-1632332-Aug2014/

Luxembourg PM: I am engaged and will marry same-sex partner ‘soon’

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2014/08/20/luxembourg-pm-i-am-engaged-and-will-marry-same-sex-partner-soon/

Cabaal

...and another one bites the dust,

Oh look, the weather forecast shows no meteors destroying the world today, imagine that

lazygal

robindch wrote: »

A bad morning for Quinn and his few friends:

Florida’s state ban on gay marriage has been ruled unconstitutional

http://www.thejournal.ie/gay-marriage-florida-1632332-Aug2014/

Luxembourg PM: I am engaged and will marry same-sex partner ‘soon’

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2014/08/20/luxembourg-pm-i-am-engaged-and-will-marry-same-sex-partner-soon/

:eek::eek::eek::eek:

But what about the First Lady type role? And more importantly complimentarity and something about denying children something?

Bobby42

*Follows Survivalism and Self Sufficiency Forum*

aloyisious

Cabaal wrote: »

...and another one bites the dust,

Oh look, the weather forecast shows no meteors destroying the world today, imagine that

Just you wait until Sunday and he/she show's disapproval on the day we should be on our knees (no naughty thoughts now) asking for forgiveness and blessing

Pwindedd

Best thing I ever did was marry my other half. Why would anyone want to deny others that little ray of happiness and solidarity. Ya don't gotta be a genius to realise it don't matter a fcuk to you what other people do in the pursuit of happiness.

aloyisious

Pwindedd wrote: »

Best thing I ever did was marry my other half. Why would anyone want to deny others that little ray of happiness and solidarity. Ya don't gotta be a genius to realise it don't matter a fcuk to you what other people do in the pursuit of happiness.

The Men and Women In Black (think of the sacrament - every sacrament is sacred).

Turtwig

And now the Rose of Tralee has decided she's gay. Gays are everywhere. I don't even feel safe being a power abusing mod any more. What happened to the good old bigot days?

aloyisious

Video of the march and speeches. http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/thousands-march-in-dublin-for-marriage-equality-30532849.html

Cabaal

shocking stuff! :pac:

Brian Shanahan

Cabaal wrote: »

shocking stuff! :pac:

I especially like the fake porn-stache.

aloyisious

Brian Shanahan wrote: »

I especially like the fake porn-stache.

Need new glasses, thought that read "porn-stash" :pac:

Pro Hoc Vice

aloyisious wrote: »

Need new glasses, thought that read "porn-stash" :pac:

So did I, what does that say.

aloyisious

That,,,,,,, Brian, are you trying to lead us astray?

Cabaal

This is fun

http://www.broadsheet.ie/2014/08/28/all-rise-for-judge-posner/

Listen to the judge, its fun!

On Tuesday, Judge Posner heard arguments against marriage equality Lawyers for Wisconsin and Indiana attempted to defend their state’s marriage bans. In a series of retorts, the judge slapped down arguments for continuing the ban.

Judge Posner harshly questioned Indiana Solicitor General Thomas M. Fisher and in many instances the solicitor was left with no answer.

He asked Fisher if gay marriage isn’t “better for the psychological health or the welfare” of gay people’s kids? Fisher gave a noncommittal answer.

He asked “Why do you prefer heterosexual adoption to homosexual adoption?”, Fisher again struggled to respond.

He then asks why Indiana wants to “punish children” because “their parents happen to be homosexual.”

Adding: “Isn’t it much better for kids to be adopted? But if you allow same-sex marriage, you’re going to have more adopters, right? … You should be wanting to enlist people as adopters.”

Posner then asked Wisconsin Assistant Attorney General Timothy Samuelson why Wisconsin doesn’t permit joint adoption by same-sex couples.

Samuelson stated that Wisconsin’s tradition of allowing only opposite-sex marriage is a rational basis for barring same-sex couples from the institution.

Posner asked Samuelson to identify a single rational basis for his state’s anti-gay marriage law.

When Samuelson claimed that “society” is helped by gay marriage bans, Posner replied

“How is it being helped? You’re not trying to force homosexuals into heterosexual marriage. So what is the harm of allowing these people to marry? Does it hurt heterosexual marriage? Does it hurt children?”

aloyisious

I saw this in the Irish Times. http://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/religion-and-beliefs/catholic-paper-refuses-ad-for-mcaleese-event-1.1911060.

Reading it makes me think the editor of the Aussie paper actually doesn't know for certain what Mary thoughts on homosexuals and the ordination of women to the priesthood are, but is prepared to refuse an ad because of her thoughts on homosexuals.

Catholic Weekly editor Peter Rosengren said it would not accept an advert for the event because of Ms McAleese’s views. “She is reported as being in favour of ordination of women as Catholic priests and in favour of homosexuality - whatever that actually means,” Mr Rosengren told the Sydney-based Irish Echo newspaper. “No matter how admirable a person she is it places me in some difficulty as editor of the Catholic Weekly.”.

Mr Rosengren also made some quotes about gender and homosexuality etc. He said that neither he nor the Church “see homosexuality as a sin”. “The problem is that the Church believes God made man and woman equally in the image and likeness of God’s very self - therefore gender actually has meaning. “Homosexuality and other identifications that people may use to describe themselves such as bisexual, transgendered and so on … may obscure for people the meaning of their lives, but the dividing line for the Church is that homosexual acts definitely do,” said Mr Rosengren. “Having previously employed an openly same-sex attracted columnist on an official Catholic newspaper I feel quite entitled to make these observations,” he added.

I'm not confused about my sexuality or it's meanings but I think he's confused as hell about homosexuals and doesn't know his arse from his elbow.

jill_valentine

“Having previously employed an openly same-sex attracted columnist on an official Catholic newspaper I feel quite entitled to make these observations,” he added.

looooooooooooooool

krudler

“She is reported as being in favour of ordination of women as Catholic priests and in favour of homosexuality - whatever that actually means,” Mr Rosengren told the Sydney-based Irish Echo newspaper.

I'd imagine it means she's for women priests and not treating gay people as fabulous boogeypeople out to ruin marriage for the straights.

Going Strong

jill_valentine wrote: »

looooooooooooooool

I wonder if said columnist was of the "I'm unfortunately gay but have never acted upon such impure desires and neither should the rest of you" persuasion at all?

Vivisectus

“Having previously employed an openly same-sex attracted columnist on an official Catholic newspaper I feel quite entitled to make these observations,”

I personally have failed to discriminate against Mormons all morning - do I get a cookie and the right to have an opinion on Mormon discrimination too?

lazygal

I worked with some people who aren't exactly like me once. Therefore I know everything about everyone who isn't exactly like me.

Cabaal

“Having previously employed a black columnist on an official Catholic newspaper I feel quite entitled to make these observations,” he added.

Now, think for a moment,
If this was about race instead of sexuality and if it was a black person who would ever say such a thing?

aloyisious

Going Strong wrote: »

I wonder if said columnist was of the "I'm unfortunately gay but have never acted upon such impure desires and neither should the rest of you" persuasion at all?

I was wondering if the "openly same-sex attracted columnist" was of the opposite gender to him and he might have been attracted to her and whether the columnist was still with the "official" catholic newspaper, whatever that actually means. I would have thought employing an "openly same-sex attracted" columnist might have been against the ethos of an official catholic newspaper.

Peregrinus

Going Strong wrote: »

I wonder if said columnist was of the "I'm unfortunately gay but have never acted upon such impure desires and neither should the rest of you" persuasion at all?

If he's the columnist I think he is, no, he wasn't quite of that persuasion.

A bloke called John Heard. He used to write a blog under the name "Dreadnought" in which he wrote about being a gay Catholic. He leveraged that into journalism, and a column in the Catholic Weekly.

Long story short, he did not regard being gay as "unfortunate", and his blog celebrated eroticism and was larded with photographs of shirtless men ("dreadhotties"). And when he first identified as gay - this would be about the age of 17 or 18 - he was sexually active with both men and women, and hoped that Catholic thinking on this issue would develop.

Then he went off to college to do a philosophy degree. He looked into Catholic thinking on sex and sexuality with a view to critiquing it, but found he couldn't mount a destructive critique of it which would satisfy him. And when he was writing the "Dreadnought" blog that's more or less where he was - gay, glad to be gay, open about being gay, but intellectually convinced there was something lacking in gay sexual expression. He had, and wrote about having, a boyfriend. I don't know how the boyfriend (who wasn't a Catholic) felt about either having a no-sex relationship, or about having sex accompanied by what must have been lashings of agonising and guilt. I don't know how that particular relationship ended (or indeed if it ended).

Confused? Incoherent? You may think so. I certainly thought so at the time. But it was at least honest. And we must cut him some slack; he was young and foolish at the time, and still working things out.

He kept all this up while doing a postgraduate degree in philosophy. It was around this time that he was writing the Catholic Weekly column. Then he moved into more mainstream journalism, writing from a conservative viewpoint for mainstream publications, not particularly on matters of sexuality. Then he gave up the unequal struggle of trying to earn a living as a philosopher and went off to study law. He's currently practising law. He still does occasional bits of journalism. Last significant writing on matters of sex or sexuality that I noticed was a piece in the Australian Spectator about 18 months ago in support of same-sex marriage. (Which we still don't have in Australia.) It's reasonable to think that his thinking about his own sexuality may have moved on somewhat from when he was writing for the Catholic Weekly, if only because (a) he's a bit older now, and (b) although he still maintains a website, nothing of the blog he once wrote or the articles in the Catholic Weekly appears on it. Presumably they don't reflect what he currently thinks.

Cabaal

and so it begins,

On the back of the Gardai flying the pride flag in Limerick



http://www.broadsheet.ie/2014/08/29/a-nightmare-precedent/

yes, thats it, This fool compared a persons sexuality to a cult
:rolleyes:

Its funny, the letter talks about giving special treatment to a specific group based on their sexuality. But isn't that exactly what numerous government organizations and employee's did or still do?

Special treatment for non gay people, bad treatment for gay people. Teachers and nurses are a good example of this. Government employee's but they don't even have job security based on their sexuality.

SebBerkovich

Cabaal wrote: »

and so it begins,

On the back of the Gardai flying the pride flag in Limerick



http://www.broadsheet.ie/2014/08/29/a-nightmare-precedent/

yes, thats it, This fool compared a persons sexuality to a cult
:rolleyes:

Its funny, the letter talks about giving special treatment to a specific group based on their sexuality. But isn't that exactly what numerous government organizations and employee's did or still do?

Special treatment for non gay people, bad treatment for gay people. Teachers and nurses are a good example of this. Government employee's but they don't even have job security based on their sexuality.

It's an interesting argument made very, very badly. Should a government run body be expressing a political or social stance? -
I don't know...
but the Gardai should be focused on equality more than most institutions, so i feel that the symbol is a showing of the Gardai's intention to be an institution which acts for all people in the Republic. Rather than on taking a particular position.

Personally i feel that the rainbow flag is far more inclusive than that Tri-Colour anyway.

Delirium

“It is our intention by doing so that we send a clear message of support to all LGBT people and in particular a message to report any homophobic, violent, threatening and/or abusive behaviour towards them,” he explained.

Chief Supt Sheahan added that he is keenly aware that homophobic acts cannot be addressed if the gardai are not made aware of them and in flying the rainbow flag as part of the Pride Parade 2014 he hopes to encourage any person to report an incident at either their nearest garda station, to their local LGBT liaison officer or to contact the National LGBT liaison officer in Garda Racial Intercultural Diversity Office, Harcourt Square, Dublin.

Source

Flying the flag so as to let LGBT people know that the police are there to take any problems encountered seriously is giving them special treatment? :rolleyes:

If the country treated LGBT folk the same as the rest of society then there would be no need for the Gardai to fly the flag. But because the law has failed LGBT folk in the past, the Gardai are making sure to get the message out that they aim to do better.

oscarBravo

SebBerkovich wrote: »

Should a government run body be expressing a political or social stance?

If that political or social stance is "LGBT people are humans beings with rights", then my answer is "hell, yes".

SebBerkovich

oscarBravo wrote: »

If that political or social stance is "LGBT people are humans beings with rights", then my answer is "hell, yes".

Agreed - I was just trying to point out that perhaps if it was the Vatican's flag, we might be feeling different about what freedom the institution should have with regards to expressing their support.

oscarBravo

SebBerkovich wrote: »

Agreed - I was just trying to point out that perhaps if it was the Vatican's flag, we might be feeling different about what freedom the institution should have with regards to expressing their support.

Absolutely, and I think that difference is completely justifiable.

NuMarvel

Dublin City Council has flown the Pride flag on flag poles along the quays for years. Cork City Council flew the Pride flag over City Hall earlier this year.

What's with the sudden "concern" about public bodies in Limerick flying it?

Cabaal

NuMarvel wrote: »

What's with the sudden "concern" about public bodies in Limerick flying it?

Cause they only noticed now

aloyisious

NuMarvel wrote: »

Dublin City Council has flown the Pride flag on flag poles along the quays for years. Cork City Council flew the Pride flag over City Hall earlier this year.

What's with the sudden "concern" about public bodies in Limerick flying it?

The possible bias by the state and it's law enforcers to pinkies, next thing is they'll be sitting in Leinster House guiding how laws are....... oh, :eek:

I was being very much tongue-in-cheek above :-)

Cabaal

aloyisious wrote: »

The possible bias by the state and it's law enforcers to pinkies, next thing is they'll be sitting in Leinster House guiding how laws are....... oh :eek:

Brian Shanahan

aloyisious wrote: »

Mr Rosengren also made some quotes about gender and homosexuality etc. He said that neither he nor the Church “see homosexuality as a sin”. “The problem is that the Church believes God made man and woman equally in the image and likeness of God’s very self - therefore gender actually has meaning. “Homosexuality and other identifications that people may use to describe themselves such as bisexual, transgendered and so on … may obscure for people the meaning of their lives, but the dividing line for the Church is that homosexual acts definitely do,” said Mr Rosengren. “Having previously employed an openly same-sex attracted columnist on an official Catholic newspaper I feel quite entitled to make these observations,” he added.

So he's following up "homosexuality isn't a sin" with saying that because people are gay they are engaging in sinful acts. And because he once met a gay person he's suddenly an expert.

There is only one suitable response:

robindch

Dublin's Socrates Cafe will be discussing marriage equality next Tuesday, 9th September in the Long Stone pub:

http://www.meetup.com/socratescafedublin/events/203093922/?a=me1_grp&rv=me1&_af_eid=203093922&_af=event

Nodin

The Society of St Vincent de Paul has strongly defended its decision to donate €45,000 to a Galway LGBT group which is trying to establish a resource centre in the city.

On Tuesday, the SVP received a letter from the Catholic bishop of Galway, Dr Martin Drennan, demanding clarification as to the grounds for the donation.

The SVP's response is due to land on the bishop's desk today, stating that the SVP National Management Council support is based on a key element of the SVP Christian ethos, which is "to be non-judgmental when its assistance is sought". -
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/bishop-queries-svps-45000-gift-to-gay-group-30563717.html

"non judgemental"......what kind of hippy shite is that? I blame Vatican II. They were all smokin the pot, I heard.....

Links234

They should've kicked bishop drennan up the arse

Peregrinus

Links234 wrote: »

They should've kicked bishop drennan up the arse

(I bet he hears that joke a lot.)

rainbow kirby

Well done, UK.

B0jangles

And here's another cheering story to kick off the weekend

Indo wrote:

Gaelic football pundit defends decision to bring Catholic school students to gay pride parade


A well-known Gaelic football pundit and former inter-county player has spoken of his decision to bring students to a gay pride parade in Co. Down.

Jarlath Burns, principal of St. Paul's High School in Co. Armagh and BBC pundit, marched with a group of senior pupils at a gay pride parade in Newry last weekend.

It is understood the group from St. Paul's were the first Irish students to take part in a pride parade.

“At St Paul’s, we celebrate diversity. It is a welcoming place where all students can feel comfortable.

"We just wanted to walk to show solidarity with what is a marginalised group in our society, to show them compassion, dignity and respect,” said Burns, to the Irish Catholic.

Burns said his decision to march with his students was not at odds with his school's Catholic ethos:

“Schools should not be places where students are ridiculed or made feel isolated.

"We are proud to be a Catholic school and it because of that we decided to walk as a group and give Christian witness," he said.

The former Armagh midfielder said societal norms should be challenged, and is proud of his school's act of solidarity:

"It may have been controversial but we have to challenge ourselves and the status quo.

"We can’t be bound by tradition. It’s in that context that we decided to march and I’m very proud of what we did,” he said.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/gaelic-football-pundit-defends-decision-to-bring-catholic-school-students-to-gay-pride-parade-30564960.html

Nodin

Hotblack desatio posted a more detailed article from the Times in "Hazards of Belief"

"He also confirmed that the SVP had no formal association with the Catholic Church or its bishops but that “relationships at a local level were very strong with local clergy very much involved.” This was also the case in Galway, he said."
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/religion-and-beliefs/bishop-objects-to-lgbt-centre-grant-on-moral-grounds-1.1918168

Bishop Drennan needs to be told where to go.