Gay Marriage/Marriage Equality/End of World?

Nick Park

Brian Shanahan wrote: »

Kind of ironic that a woman who is so quick to call herself pro-life trying to promote a festival essentially invented by the Nazis.

Kind of ironic that you would promote a falsehood yourself while attacking someone else for promoting a falsehood.

The idea of occupying the moral high ground is that you don't actually do what the other side is doing.

wampyrus77

dont forget all same sex marriage people , single fathers, single mothers raising awesome children

Brian Shanahan

lazygal wrote: »

I think it comes from the traditional mothering Sundays in the UK where women in service were allowed a Sunday a year off so as to visit their mothers and mother churches. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mothering_Sunday

Whereas the USA celebrates a different date and some churches such as the Mormons use the occasion to propandise on the benefits of motherhood.

Twas the Nazis that made it into a national holiday and finally fixed the date for it. Yes they didn't create the idea for it in the first place, Mother's Day came from the US (Mothering Sunday is a different day, and a religious thing), but they did make it the big thing it is today.

recedite

Brian Shanahan wrote: »

Twas the Nazis that made it into a national holiday and finally fixed the date for it.

Maybe in Germany, but not in other countries. Even in Germany, it would have become a thing anyway, Nazis or no Nazis.

Nick Park

Brian Shanahan wrote: »

Twas the Nazis that made it into a national holiday and finally fixed the date for it. Yes they didn't create the idea for it in the first place, Mother's Day came from the US (Mothering Sunday is a different day, and a religious thing), but they did make it the big thing it is today.

Totally untrue.

The date for Mother's Day in Ireland and the UK is always on the fourth Sunday of Lent (This year that was 15 March). This is the same day as the old Mothering Sunday. Far from being fixed by the Nazis (who celebrated it on the second Sunday in May), this was fixed in the Sixteenth Century.

In the US, Mother's Day is fixed as the second Sunday in May. Again, the Nazis would have needed a time machine to influence this as it was fixed by an Act of Congress in 1914.

In Germany Muttertag was first celebrated in 1922 (at which time the Nazis were still working out how to capture a beer garden or two). The (non-Nazi) Germans followed the Americans in fixing it to the second Sunday in May.

Mother's Day became a big deal in the UK, and hence in Ireland, when American soldiers and airmen were stationed in England during WWII.

marienbad

Nick Park wrote: »

Totally untrue.

The date for Mother's Day in Ireland and the UK is always on the fourth Sunday of Lent (This year that was 15 March). This is the same day as the old Mothering Sunday. Far from being fixed by the Nazis (who celebrated it on the second Sunday in May), this was fixed in the Sixteenth Century.

In the US, Mother's Day is fixed as the second Sunday in May. Again, the Nazis would have needed a time machine to influence this as it was fixed by an Act of Congress in 1914.

In Germany Muttertag was first celebrated in 1922 (at which time the Nazis were still working out how to capture a beer garden or two). The (non-Nazi) Germans followed the Americans in fixing it to the second Sunday in May.

Mother's Day became a big deal in the UK, and hence in Ireland, when American soldiers and airmen were stationed in England during WWII.

Well pretty soon it will be done away with ,so who gives a monkey's

oscarBravo

marienbad wrote: »

Well pretty soon it will be done away with...

Thanks, Obama. :mad:

marienbad

oscarBravo wrote: »

Thanks, Obama. :mad:

Yeah sour grapes because they don't have it in Kenya :mad:

Nick Park

marienbad wrote: »

Well pretty soon it will be done away with ,so who gives a monkey's

It's not over till the fat lady sings. Brian Shanahans time-travellling Nazis might still battle it out with Obama and save Mother's Day!

marienbad

Nick Park wrote: »

It's not over till the fat lady sings. Brian Shanahans time-travellling Nazis might still battle it out with Obama and save Mother's Day!

And of course your Lord of Miracles might yet appear to save the day , that and the prayer fest from the church in Limerick might just be enough to do it.

Hotblack Desiato

Brian Shanahan wrote: »

Twas the Nazis that made it into a national holiday and finally fixed the date for it. Yes they didn't create the idea for it in the first place, Mother's Day came from the US (Mothering Sunday is a different day, and a religious thing), but they did make it the big thing it is today.

Teh Nazis also invented tobacco control, and discovered the causal link between smoking and lung cancer, so these things are also irreparably tainted. Cigarettes for all, whether they want them or not!

shruikan2553

freshpopcorn wrote: »

This was in my local paper in Cork.SAME SEX MARRIAGE
Dear Editor,
There is no equivalency between marriage and sodomy and those who seek to make them equal are only coding themselves and others.
'Fear of God is the beginning of wisdom' There are many today who wish to live as though God does not exist and work actively to kick God out Of every aspect Of Our Lives. God is not mocked.
We need only see what happened in the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah, to know that God will not tolerate homosexual behaviour. Since it a grave sin, we cannot support sodomy under any circumstance. While we are duty bond to condemn the action (the sin) we cannot condemn the sinner, but speak the truth in the hope that each will live the chaste life that God calls them To Do.
In Ireland for the past twenty years, in particular, we have been drip fed the homosexual lifestyle. All of the TV soaps, both home produced and imported, have been softening up the nation with their carefully crafted scripts so that our acceptance of the homosexual lifestyle, that is so opposed to God's laws, has taken a 'soft grip' on the minds of the people.
Along with that, we are warned that any opposition to the 'gay lifestyle' will earn us the term homopobic, intolerant, ignorant and old fashioned. While many may be bullied into silence, Christians are called to witness christ and to speak the truth, uncomfortable tough it may be.
We could never have envisaged that in 2015, Ireland would be asked to vote sodomy into the Irish constitution and be deluded into calling it marriage. Clearly, those pushing the agenda, believe that after twenty years of gay propaganda, Ireland is now 'ripe for picking'. It shows just how far down the decadent slope we have slipped. Catholics and Christians of all churches, have a clear choice to make come referendum day to decide whose side they are on. " whoever is not with me is against me, and whoever does not gather with me scatters" said the Lord.
Christ does not tolerate hypocrites. He calls us to 'Be my witness' and tells us that 'My sheep know my voice and follow me' when the sheep wander away from the True Shepard, they become slaves of a new master. ' What happened in Massachusetts'' will happen here. A documentary of the same name is available on the Internet for anyone who wishes to educate themselves in thus regard.
Persecution of Christians will follow here, aas it has done in ever other jurisdiction where sane sex marriage has been legalised. It won't br persecution by one such as ' Cromwell" but by the entire establishment. The new 'Human Rights" will give Government and it's officials and citizens 'the right to do wrong' and to penalise mothers, fathers, teachers, priests, photographers, bakers and any other person or service providers who do not step into line.
Regards,
Mairead.

Heaven must be an awfully empty place then.

TheChizler

I had forgotten that lesbians don't exist...

robindch

TheChizler wrote: »

I had forgotten that lesbians don't exist.

Nail, meet head.

To the authoritarian mind, lesbians don't really exist. I'm still trying to figure out, from an evolutionary perspective, why exactly religious anti-gay rhetoric is aimed almost exclusively at males. Several candidate explanations suggest themselves, but none speak to any honorable aspiration.

robindch

No-BS Russia discusses the current Russian obsession with gay men and male homosexuality in general. And comes up with some well-argued points which deserve a wide audience:

Reductio ad Homosexualum

http://nobsrussia.com/2015/03/17/reductio-ad-homosexualum/

Kiwi in IE

I came across this gem in the 'other' forum.

'Ireland requests worldwide prayer'! Really? Surely if Ireland in its entirety was requesting the 'worldwide' prayer then there would be no need to request it at all because marriage equality would be doomed.

It never ceases to amaze me that otherwise high functioning people with IQ's in the normal range take this type of thing deadly seriously. Anyone requesting the intervention of a woman who had been dead for approximately 2000 years in a political referendum needs a high dose of psychotropic medication commenced.



http://www.saintnicholasparish.ie/2015/03/54-day-rosary-novena-for-ireland-2015/
54 Day Rosary Novena for Ireland 2015
Ireland requests worldwide prayer for the protection of the sanctity of marriage. We ask for your prayers that Ireland as a nation, willuphold the sanctity of marriage between a man and a woman in the upcoming referendum.
We need to turn to mary, our Blessed Mother to be with us at this time of great need.   We ask you to pray the Rosary for 54 consecutive days for this intention.  The first 27 days – beginning 17 march – will be said in petition and end on the Feast of Devine Mercy on Sunday 12 April.
The second 27 days are said in thanksgiving and will commence on Monday 13 April and end on Saturday 9 May.
All you do is pray 5 decades each day and include the intention.  Also if possible, bring this intention to Holy Mass.  Feel free to .prayerforireland2015@gmail.com to join this worldwide petition.

pauldla

Kiwi in IE wrote: »

I came across this gem in the 'other' forum.

'Ireland requests worldwide prayer'! Really? Surely if Ireland in its entirety was requesting the 'worldwide' prayer then there would be no need to request it at all because marriage equality would be doomed.

It never ceases to amaze me that otherwise high functioning people with IQ's in the normal range take this type of thing deadly seriously. Anyone requesting the intervention of a woman who had been dead for approximately 2000 years in a political referendum needs a high dose of psychotropic medication commenced.



http://www.saintnicholasparish.ie/2015/03/54-day-rosary-novena-for-ireland-2015/
54 Day Rosary Novena for Ireland 2015
Ireland requests worldwide prayer for the protection of the sanctity of marriage. We ask for your prayers that Ireland as a nation, willuphold the sanctity of marriage between a man and a woman in the upcoming referendum.
We need to turn to mary, our Blessed Mother to be with us at this time of great need.   We ask you to pray the Rosary for 54 consecutive days for this intention.  The first 27 days – beginning 17 march – will be said in petition and end on the Feast of Devine Mercy on Sunday 12 April.
The second 27 days are said in thanksgiving and will commence on Monday 13 April and end on Saturday 9 May.
All you do is pray 5 decades each day and include the intention.  Also if possible, bring this intention to Holy Mass.  Feel free to .prayerforireland2015@gmail.com to join this worldwide petition.

I hope they invest 100% in the Power of Prayer on the issue.

jooksavage

Maybe after we get a divine smackdown on marriage equality we can say a few decades for some other CIVIL matter? Maybe have a holy hour for the ongoing junior cert debacle? Of a house-mass for better roads?

Absolam

So there is something to be said for another Mass?

Going Strong

jooksavage wrote: »

Maybe after we get a divine smackdown on marriage equality we can say a few decades for some other CIVIL matter? Maybe have a holy hour for the ongoing junior cert debacle? Of a house-mass for better roads?

I'm holding out for a novena for a long hot summer.

Come on Holy Mary!

Shrap

Going Strong wrote: »

I'm holding out for a novena for a long hot summer.

Come on Holy Mary!

Think you need Ra for that. Oh no wait....Áine or Étaín are the applicable Celtic ones apparently. Never heard of them. Clearly we need to sacrifice more virgins to them or something - they've been on a very extended holiday

Hotblack Desiato

shruikan2553 wrote: »

sane sex marriage

Sounds interesting...

fisgon

Kiwi in IE wrote: »

http://www.saintnicholasparish.ie/2015/03/54-day-rosary-novena-for-ireland-2015/
54 Day Rosary Novena for Ireland 2015
Ireland requests worldwide prayer for the protection of the sanctity of marriage. We ask for your prayers that Ireland as a nation, willuphold the sanctity of marriage between a man and a woman in the upcoming referendum.
We need to turn to mary, our Blessed Mother to be with us at this time of great need.   We ask you to pray the Rosary for 54 consecutive days for this intention.  The first 27 days – beginning 17 march – will be said in petition and end on the Feast of Devine Mercy on Sunday 12 April.
The second 27 days are said in thanksgiving and will commence on Monday 13 April and end on Saturday 9 May.
All you do is pray 5 decades each day and include the intention.  Also if possible, bring this intention to Holy Mass.  Feel free to .prayerforireland2015@gmail.com to join this worldwide petition.

This is priceless. Especially as, when the Marriage Equality ref is passed, even after thousands, millions of prayers against it, it will be some illustration of the utter uselessness of the whole prayer fallacy.

(BTW, it might be amusing for one to send a few emails their direction, links to Gay wedding organisers, to LGBT organisations, invitations to join Atheist Ireland etc. Just saying...)

PopePalpatine

I was thinking something along the lines of impostor doctors advertising Viagra.

robindch

Oh, Oklahoma!

Oklahoma House passes bill which restricts marriage to the religious

Next step is to send the bill to the state Senate for consideration.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/progressivesecularhumanist/2015/03/oklahoma-house-passes-bill-restricting-marriage-to-people-of-faith/

silverharp

robindch wrote: »

Oh, Oklahoma!

Oklahoma House passes bill which restricts marriage to the religious

Next step is to send the bill to the state Senate for consideration.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/progressivesecularhumanist/2015/03/oklahoma-house-passes-bill-restricting-marriage-to-people-of-faith/

Im feeling some sympathy for Muslims all of a sudden, they would have to ask a priest to approve a marriage. Its unconstitutional I'd imagine.

The Black Oil

Imagine such a law here...given how some Irish Catholics do the church bit then effectively pick and choose whatever elements apply to their lives.

recedite

It reminds me of the time 2 years ago when Kerry county council voted to allow Kerry people to be given permits which would allow them to drink and drive legally. There is no chance of it being allowed by the real government.

They just want to announce to the rest of the world that in this one place, gob$hites proudly make pretend rules for their own little kingdom, and to hell with everyone else. Then its back to reality.

Links234

In the US, Republicans are introducing bills that would legally require trans people to use the toilets of their sex assigned at birth, so this guy comes along and demonstrates how downright stupid that would be: http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/watch/trans-man-takes-on-bill-with-bathroom-selfies-414935107983

Brian Shanahan

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

Teh Nazis also invented tobacco control, and discovered the causal link between smoking and lung cancer, so these things are also irreparably tainted. Cigarettes for all, whether they want them or not!

Well considering how the Nazis got their evidence for the dangers of smoking, and their lack of general scientific rigour, it was not suprising that it took so long for the scientific community to actually look at one of the very few areas where the Nazis improved the general scientific knowledge (the only other major area was von Braun's Peenemunde rocket work).

And let's not forget why the Nazis were so big on Mother's Day; they wanted women back in the kitchen, chained to the stove and plopping out lots of babies to die for the Fuhrer. One of the reasons why German production took so long to take off was that up until after Speer took over the war economy, married women weren't allowed to work in the factories, significantly limiting the available workforce.

lazygal

Brian Shanahan wrote: »

And let's not forget why the Nazis were so big on Mother's Day; they wanted women back in the kitchen, chained to the stove and plopping out lots of babies to die for the Fuhrer. One of the reasons why German production took so long to take off was that up until after Speer took over the war economy, married women weren't allowed to work in the factories, significantly limiting the available workforce.

There are myriad religious groups big on US mothers day. Check.out any Mormon mommy bloggers come May. But I think you should admit.you were plain wrong about the Nazis and what we now celebrate in terms of the roots of the tradition. I love getting a glitter covered card from my children,.not.because I love thinking I'm a Real Woman but because it's nice to be appreciated and we always did the same for.my mum. My husband's card Will come his way in June for fathers day.

Absolam

Brian Shanahan wrote: »

And let's not forget why the Nazis were so big on Mother's Day; they wanted women back in the kitchen, chained to the stove and plopping out lots of babies to die for the Fuhrer. One of the reasons why German production took so long to take off was that up until after Speer took over the war economy, married women weren't allowed to work in the factories, significantly limiting the available workforce.

And the Irish Civil Service wouldn't allow women who married to keep their jobs until after 1973.
So the Nazis neither invented Mothers Day nor were they singular in their misogyny...?

efb

re the marraige equality thing, funny thing I think some of my closest college friends will be voting no...

Damn opus

oscarBravo

efb wrote: »

re the marraige equality thing, funny thing I think some of my closest college friends will be voting no...

Do you know why?

shruikan2553

oscarBravo wrote: »

Do you know why?

I know a guy in college whos the same, mind you if he managed to vote I would be impressed. Religious reasons of course, doesnt stop him using contraception or having a child outside of marriage though.

Absolam

efb wrote: »

re the marraige equality thing, funny thing I think some of my closest college friends will be voting no...
Damn opus

oscarBravo wrote: »

Do you know why?

I think the clue was the word opus, though I'm not sure Irish college campuses are rife with opus dei recruiters....

oscarBravo

Absolam wrote: »

I think the clue was the word opus, though I'm not sure Irish college campuses are rife with opus dei recruiters....

OK. The only actual reasons I've seen for a "no" vote are either overtly or covertly related to either bigotry or religious woo, so I was curious as to which it was.

Absolam

oscarBravo wrote: »

OK. The only actual reasons I've seen for a "no" vote are either overtly or covertly related to either bigotry or religious woo, so I was curious as to which it was.

I think it's not unreasonable to assume that any activity by Opus Dei has a religious rationale, though it might be a bit of a stretch to imagine that any substantial proportion of your fellow students were covertly 'turned' by them whilst at college......

Nick Park

lazygal wrote: »

There are myriad religious groups big on US mothers day. Check.out any Mormon mommy bloggers come May. But I think you should admit.you were plain wrong about the Nazis and what we now celebrate in terms of the roots of the tradition. I love getting a glitter covered card from my children,.not.because I love thinking I'm a Real Woman but because it's nice to be appreciated and we always did the same for.my mum. My husband's card Will come his way in June for fathers day.

Ah, but did the glitter covered card look like this?

robindch

Poe.

/thread.

Smiley92a

efb wrote: »

re the marraige equality thing, funny thing I think some of my closest college friends will be voting no...

Damn opus

I had a friend at college who I didn't realise was a fundie till he asked me to vote for Ronan Mullen in the EU election. Thankfully he asked me on facebook, so I could ignore it and it never came up in conversation. He was such a nice guy, I didn't have the heart to tell him I'd sooner rub gritty feces in my eyes than vote for Ronan Mullen...

Links234

As the fight against marriage equality seems more and more like a lost cause, right-wing and/or religious groups are setting their targets on transgender people instead. Parents pull their child from school over having to share a bathroom with a young transgender girl, and she responds: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2015/03/im-not-there-to-hurt-anyone-13-year-old-trans-girl-speaks-out-after-being-labeled-a-safety-hazard/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWuaYPZcO48

Hotblack Desiato

Smiley92a wrote: »

I had a friend at college who I didn't realise was a fundie till he asked me to vote for Ronan Mullen in the EU election. Thankfully he asked me on facebook, so I could ignore it and it never came up in conversation. He was such a nice guy, I didn't have the heart to tell him I'd sooner rub gritty feces in my eyes than vote for Ronan Mullen...

You should have told him that tbh. How are these people ever going to learn?

obplayer

From America... things could be worse here!

Christians Prepare For Martyrdom To Fight Gay Marriage

SpaceSasqwatch

Beruthiel wrote: »

I find it incomprehensible why some people have a problem with how others live their lives. Live and let live.

^^^this.

PopePalpatine

obplayer wrote: »

From America... things could be worse here!

Christians Prepare For Martyrdom To Fight Gay Marriage

Now I'm quite worried one of those inbred fucktards might actually put a bomb together without blowing themselves up.

robindch

Beruthiel wrote: »

I find it incomprehensible why some people have a problem with how others live their lives. Live and let live.

From the religious perspective, allowing gay (males, mostly) to marry amounts to allowing the amount of "sin" to increase within society. The religious believe themselves to be against sin, hence the anger.

A few weeks back, Popette almost reduced herself to tears when she read a letter in the IT in which somebody produced the "Live and let live" line - "But that's not what it's about!"

alaimacerc

robindch wrote: »

From the religious perspective, allowing gay (males, mostly) to marry [...]

You mean it'll mostly be male couples availing of this? Or that it's mostly male couples that some other people seem to be concerned regarding? (And by "concerned" I of course really mean "focusing on to an utterly bizarre extent".)

TheChizler

Looper documentary on Rte now, 'Stand up for Mary'. Someone traveling around Ireland with a Mary statue strapped in to her passenger seat. Crazy altogether but some interesting stuff on the Celtic/Christianity transition here.

robindch

TheChizler wrote: »

Looper documentary on Rte now, 'Stand up for Mary'. Someone traveling around Ireland with a Mary statue strapped in to her passenger seat.

Reminds me of Tony Hawks:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Round_Ireland_with_a_Fridge