Gay Marriage/Marriage Equality/End of World?

MrPudding

shruikan2553 wrote: »

Bit slow on current events arent they.

Well yeah, they have about 400 years to catch up on.

MrP

Nodin

recedite wrote: »

A Top Muslim confirms that if the referendum succeeds

Gay people will be able to adopt children. These children will be brought up without either a father or a mother

Poor little orphans, so sad.

Nod confused now.


Back to sleepy for Nod.

pauldla

Nodin wrote: »

Nod confused now.


Back to sleepy for Nod.

Back to the land of Nod? :pac:

recedite

Top Muslims have freedom of speech, even if they are speaking nonsense. Freedom of speech works both ways of course.
But wouldn't it be great if some bigoted religionist was charged with incitement to hatred against LGBTs. At some point the spreading of lies and misinformation must cross the line, although I have no idea where that point is.

alaimacerc

MrPudding wrote: »

Well yeah, they have about 400 years to catch up on.

It's 1436AH. By 1436AD, Europe had about a century to run before it got into peak internecine slaughter on sectarian grounds.

Bannasidhe

alaimacerc wrote: »

It's 1436AH. By 1436AD, Europe had about a century to run before it got into peak internecine slaughter on sectarian grounds.

I think the Cathars would disagree.

silverharp

just a reminder that you dont have to go to Texas to run into Christian loons , A minster for health that by the way believes the Earth is 6000 years old


http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-32443730?ns_mchannel=social&ns_campaign=bbc_politics&ns_source=twitter&ns_linkname=news_central

Police are investigating comments made by Northern Ireland Health Minister Jim Wells after he linked child abuse and gay relationships.
He told a hustings event: "You don't bring a child up in a homosexual relationship. That child is far more likely to be abused and neglected."
It prompted uproar from the audience who interrupted the minister.
In a later statement, he said: "I accept that one line of what I said caused offence and deep concern."
Mr Wells added: " I regret having wrongly made that remark about abuse and I'm sorry those words were uttered. The comment did not reflect my view nor that of my party."
The police said they had received a complaint and officers were currently making enquiries.

galljga1

silverharp wrote: »

just a reminder that you dont have to go to Texas to run into Christian loons , A minster for health that by the way believes the Earth is 6000 years old


http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-32443730?ns_mchannel=social&ns_campaign=bbc_politics&ns_source=twitter&ns_linkname=news_central

What a moron. He has appologised so it is alright... No, he still means it. Get him out.

shruikan2553

silverharp wrote: »

just a reminder that you dont have to go to Texas to run into Christian loons , A minster for health that by the way believes the Earth is 6000 years old


http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-32443730?ns_mchannel=social&ns_campaign=bbc_politics&ns_source=twitter&ns_linkname=news_central

Ive learnt to expect this sort of thing from Northern Ireland. Maybe they can bring peace between Protestants and Catholics to fight the new evil of the gays.

alaimacerc

Bannasidhe wrote: »

I think the Cathars would disagree.

If I'd added the qualifier "... between denominations not exterminated thereby" I think it'd have been clear why they aren't disagreeing!

I think the Albigensian Crusade would struggle to "match" the Dutch Revolt, the Thirty Years War, and the Huguenot Wars, all the same.

alaimacerc

silverharp wrote: »

A minster for health that by the way believes the Earth is 6000 years old

I must apologise for further digressing off-topic on the nature of this person's religious wing-nuttery, but...

D'oh!

Setting aside the whole "second-guessing essentially all of modern science with one's dogma and personal feels" aspect... How does one remain enthused about a religion whose "god" is apparently a practical joker on a literally cosmic scale?

"Why yes, I created starlight in advanced transit across the universe, just to tempt you into errant thought there might be something real on the other side of it, to make objective observations about, and thereby condemn yourself to eternal torment. April Fool!"

alaimacerc

LostinKildare wrote: »

Yes, certainly the Presbyterian Church USA (PCU) is very far from the NI Ian Paisley version! Individual ministers in Presbyterian churches have been conducting SSMs for many years, breaking church law, but the PCU recently voted to officially sanction SSM.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/18/us/presbyterians-give-final-approval-for-same-sex-marriage.html?_r=0

Thanks, I'd missed that one! Pretty significant, as the PCUSA does, IIRC, do "recip" (don't think they have "in communion with" as a concept as such in such cases) with the CoS -- which the Paisleyites of course do not.

According to your link, though, the Episcopalians are actually only doing "blessings". I think that's in line with the CoE's position, according to my in-depth research. To wit, one episode of Rev I vague remember watching. The Anglicans have a somewhat greater degree of global coordination, so it'd be a bigger step for them to take.

In fact, Pew have the only member of the "blessings" column, in between a whole column of "permit marriage", and another whole column of "prohibit marriage". Very via media, indeed!

LostinKildare

alaimacerc wrote: »

According to your link, though, the Episcopalians are actually only doing "blessings". I think that's in line with the CoE's position, according to my in-depth research. To wit, one episode of Rev I vague remember watching. The Anglicans have a somewhat greater degree of global coordination, so it'd be a bigger step for them to take.

Weeelll . . . it's a bit of a fudge. The Episcopal Church has not rewritten its marriage rite, and therefore only conduct a marriage "blessing" for SS couples, but in US states where SSM is legal, some bishops have directed that clergy may also sign the civil marriage certificates in conjunction with that blessing. So, in the eyes of the state, they have been same-sex married by that Episcopal clergyperson, no? See, e.g., in the Diocese of Pittsburgh:
http://www.post-gazette.com/local/region/2014/08/05/Episcopal-Diocese-OKs-same-sex-marriage-certificates/stories/201408050134

And in July 2012, in the Diocese of New York, "Bishop Mark S. Sisk today sent a letter via email to the clergy of the Diocese of New York giving permission for them to officiate at same-sex marriages both in a religious capacity and as agents of New York State, commencing September 1, 2012." See the full letter here:
http://www.dioceseny.org/news_items/229-clergy-may-conduct-same-sex-marriages-from-9-1

alaimacerc

LostinKildare wrote: »

Weeelll . . . it's a bit of a fudge. The Episcopal Church has not rewritten its marriage rite, and therefore only conduct a marriage "blessing" for SS couples, but in US states where SSM is legal, some bishops have directed that clergy may also sign the civil marriage certificates in conjunction with that blessing. So, in the eyes of the state, they have been same-sex married by that Episcopal clergyperson, no? See, e.g., in the Diocese of Pittsburgh:
http://www.post-gazette.com/local/region/2014/08/05/Episcopal-Diocese-OKs-same-sex-marriage-certificates/stories/201408050134

And in July 2012, in the Diocese of New York, "Bishop Mark S. Sisk today sent a letter via email to the clergy of the Diocese of New York giving permission for them to officiate at same-sex marriages both in a religious capacity and as agents of New York State, commencing September 1, 2012." See the full letter here:
http://www.dioceseny.org/news_items/229-clergy-may-conduct-same-sex-marriages-from-9-1

That really is quite the fudge. In the grand Anglican tradition! Slightly different from the Rev scene, but in the same overall "incredibly incoherent fudge" spirit!

Brian Shanahan

Nodin wrote: »

*Free shuttle from Hotel To Nuns Baby Market
*Free Dinner and complimentary bottle of wine on contract signing

Don't forget the free Parker pen just for enquiring!

Nodin

Brian Shanahan wrote: »

Don't forget the free Parker pen just for enquiring!

"Parker"....hmmmm. Sounds a bit 'digging with the other foot'. It'll be a Bic.

Bannasidhe

Nodin wrote: »

"Parker"....hmmmm. Sounds a bit 'digging with the other foot'. It'll be a Bic.

I want a silver cross.

Nodin

Bannasidhe wrote: »

I want a silver cross.

...comes with a sensible jumper. All in the package.

Bannasidhe

Nodin wrote: »

...comes with a sensible jumper. All in the package.

Lambs wool?

wampyrus77

jesus has two fathers joseph and god that isntt gay i dont know what is lol

recedite

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Lambs wool?

Of course. All from bottle-fed orphan lambs, hand reared by the nuns and fleeced at an appropriate age.

robindch

recedite wrote: »

Of course. All from bottle-fed orphan lambs, hand reared by the nuns and fleeced at an appropriate age.

Never heard that gag before. It will be snitched and used. Regularly and often

BlaasForRafa

alaimacerc wrote: »

I think the Albigensian Crusade would struggle to "match" the Dutch Revolt, the Thirty Years War, and the Huguenot Wars, all the same.

Not in scale perhaps but certainly in the level of brutality.

Delirium

https://twitter.com/darraghdoyle/status/592063866680520705

shruikan2553

Would be funny if people started putting some of them up.

Its already gone Poe's law where a lot of people aren't sure which ones are jokes and which are serious.

magicbastarder

not natural, my sweet succulent ass.

alaimacerc

magicbastarder wrote: »

not natural, my sweet succulent ass.

I'm not sure how lesbian gerbils work out, but from my own observation, there's a certain amount of "natural exuberance" in the two-males cages, at that.

Bannasidhe

shruikan2553 wrote: »

Would be funny if people started putting some of them up.

Its already gone Poe's law where a lot of people aren't sure which ones are jokes and which are serious.

I may put this in my window




:pac:

Shrap

Well, this is fun. 20 mins well spent I think....

Hotblack Desiato

Letters in yesterday's Irish Times:

Sir, – It is a first for me to write to a Dublin-based newspaper, of which yours is the leader in the field for letters.

I write because of the impending referendum on marriage, only to remind my relations in the Republic that right and wrong isn’t determined by a majority of humans, but by the majority of one – that one being the creator, who by the word of God given to us in the Holy Bible speaks clearly on the matter.

In the Republic of Ireland you are blessed in getting a referendum on this matter, and not just leaving this matter to the professional political system, and the mood of the chattering classes.

So I urge you and all your readers to take stock before you vote and ask “Who is on the Lord’s side?” – Yours, etc,

WILLIAM GEORGE,

Armagh.

Sir, – I have decided that I will vote Yes to allow same-sex marriage, and to reduce the age at which one can become president on May 22nd. However, I have not yet decided how I will vote in the surrogacy referendum, or the adoption of children by same-sex couples referendum, or the “sure can’t they just be happy with civil partnerships?” referendum. I am grateful to the group Mothers and Fathers Matter for erecting posters informing me of the existence of these additional referendums, but I am puzzled as to why it has not yet decided to put up a single poster which addresses the issue of civil marriage equality, given that it is supposed to be its primary concern. – Yours, etc,

BRIAN CAREY,

Clonmel, Co Tipperary.

galljga1

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

Letters in yesterday's Irish Times:

Well, that spells it out clearly.

Cabaal

shruikan2553 wrote: »

Would be funny if people started putting some of them up.

Its already gone Poe's law where a lot of people aren't sure which ones are jokes and which are serious.

It has already,
I'm actually very tempted to print out a few of the parody posters and stick them up around,

Cabaal

No side posting leaflets in Tramore, Co Waterford

Shrap

I'm having waay too much fun with these.

magicbastarder

are there any sources for moderate or high res versions of the no posters?

Shrap

magicbastarder wrote: »

are there any sources for moderate or high res versions of the no posters?

I couldn't find any but that doesn't mean they're not online. Might be easier to remake (in their style, with your personal take on their message of course!).

Bannasidhe

Shrap wrote: »

I'm having waay too much fun with these.

Did you do that and can I share?

Please please please.

B_Wayne

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Did you do that and can I share?

Please please please.

Erm, I already shared it. It's too good not to... *no respect for intellectual property *

Shrap

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Did you do that and can I share?

Please please please.

Of COURSE! Flattered muchly

B_Wayne wrote: »

Erm, I already shared it. It's too good not to... *no respect for intellectual property *

Good, I made it for sharing. Like cookies.

Delirium

via broadsheet.ie :pac:

Nodin

"Jim Wells resigns as Northern Ireland health minister over 'anti-gay' remarks"
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/apr/27/jim-wells-resigns-northern-ireland-health-minister

And just to show he's like that off the podium as well......

"Police have confirmed they are investigating after an incident during an election canvas in County Down was reported to them.
It is understood it involved the DUP candidate Jim Wells and a lesbian couple."
http://www.bbc.com/news/election-2015-northern-ireland-32475421

Turtwig

Wells' wife suffered two strokes. I thought that was the reason he's resigning.

Doctor DooM

I just had a friend point out an old post I made.

Can you imagine how annoyed people like me are now, after another year of this crap?

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=89133886&postcount=2198

robindch

Turtwig wrote: »

Wells' wife suffered two strokes. I thought that was the reason he's resigning.

His wife seems to have become ill first, then he seems to have made his unhelpful comments.

While a cynic might believe he's exiting because of the latter using the former as partial cover, in truth, only he, and perhaps those close to him politically and socially, know why he actually decided to resign.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/dup-s-jim-wells-resigns-after-same-sex-child-abuse-comments-1.2190498

alaimacerc

Nodin wrote: »

"Police have confirmed they are investigating after an incident during an election canvas in County Down was reported to them.
It is understood it involved the DUP candidate Jim Wells and a lesbian couple."
http://www.bbc.com/news/election-2015-northern-ireland-32475421

This story is cheery in that it really helps lower the bar of expectations on the "well, that canvas went well!" front.

OTOH... DUP-voting lesbian couple? That further destroys one's hopes for broad-spectrum social justice.

robindch

More on the persecution of people with anti-gay beliefs in Northern Ireland.

Firstly, Ian Paisley, son of Ian Paisley (deceased northern politician) says that Justin McAleese, son of Mary McAleese (living southern politician), should "get over" something or other related to Justin's coming out as gay:

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/paisley-jnr-urges-gay-unionists-to-vote-for-dup-in-general-election-1.2189780

Paisley, The Younger wrote:

I mean, seriously, all of this stuff where people are self absorbed about their own gender and how everything is about them. Most people are kind of fed up with it. They want to live and let live. Get over it. Get over yourself.

Meanwhile, over Stormont-way, the Northern Assembly rejects a vote on marriage equality, with every DUP member voting the proposal down:

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/assembly-rejects-motion-on-same-sex-marriage-again-1.2190933

alaimacerc

YEC badge-making on RTE Drivetime right now! I hear Ken Curtain's dulcet tones in the background... and the foreground, now!

aloyisious

Listening to Drive-Time at Cork City YES vote canvass HQ, plus interviews with passers-by (one a "down with this sort of thing" voter) while reading this linked-article in Pink News about a West Tyrone independent candidate for election on 7th May next. Well, she's forthright about her stance on homosexuality.... http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2015/04/27/this-parliamentary-candidate-wants-to-re-criminalise-homosexuality-no-shes-not-running-for-ukip/?utm_source=PNFB&utm_medium=socialFB&utm_campaign=PNFacebook

alaimacerc

aloyisious wrote: »

this linked-article in Pink News about a West Tyrone independent candidate for election on 7th May next.

She wants a "biblically correct" political programme. That would make a great "true or false?" round in a vox pop down here... (Old Testament Pointless special, anyone?)

alaimacerc

Hang on, she "opposes feminism with all her might", wants "stay-at-home mothers". IIRC Biblical heid-th-ba' Paul said "But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence." But she's running... to be an MP?

Obviously she's not the type of person she's preaching to.