Is this racist?

Tombi!

Oranage2 wrote: »

Black people are so racist - someone should educate them that the correct term is 'African American'.

And when they're not from Africa? :pac:

IrishAm

Very common in the UK.

There's a need for flexibility in how discrimination law is applied as some groups are more vulnerable than others, says Penny Anderson, author of the Renter Girl blog. "A landlord saying no to a Muslim woman is wrong. But I think a group of Muslim women turning down a white man is OK."

A woman who placed a "Filipino only" advert in a newsagent in Golders Green, north London, explains: "I'm sorry about that. All the people here are Filipino so we need Filipinos."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-18588612

Madame K

Pkiernan wrote: »

Prospective tenant (also from Nigeria) is happy because "it will be nice to live next door to black people".

With this level of racism nit-picking, you'd be too desensitized to recognize racism if it walked up, called you [CENSORED] and spit your face.

Madame K

Oranage2 wrote: »

Black people are so racist - someone should educate them that the correct term is 'African American'.

But what if they are not American born people of African descent?

Pherekydes

mikemac1 wrote: »

Balbriggan?

No, Lagos. :pac:

Oranage2

Madame K wrote: »

But what if they are not American born people of African descent?

Chinese?

ThunbergsAreGo

IrishAm wrote: »

Very common in the UK.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-18588612

Racism double standards is something i really dislike and seems to be becoming more prevelant in society

artvanderlay

The only solution is to lynch all racists. That'll learn 'em:)

mikemac1

Open a KFC franchise in the town
Sit back and wait
€€€€€€€

Is that racist?

Tombi!

mikemac1 wrote: »

Open a KFC franchise in the town
Sit back and wait
€€€€€€€

Is that racist?

I saw two blacks outside a chicken place on my road about 6PM

Disgusting.

Wanna know what was disgusting?

They had the same chicken since they opened at 9AM

woodoo

Is Montenegro racist for having negro in the name

Madam_X

If an Irish person were abroad and said it'd be nice to live next door to ab Irish person, nobody here would give a sh1t because they'd know what they mean - familiarity is pleasant when you're in a new place.

woodoo

Onixx wrote: »

If an Irish person were abroad and said it'd be nice to live next door to ab Irish person, nobody here would give a sh1t because they'd know what they mean - familiarity is pleasant when you're in a new place.

Yeah what next from the PC outrage hunters. Why did you marry are white person are you a racist?

IrishAm

Why leave Nigeria and come to Ireland, a predominantly ethnically European country, if you want to live around blacks?

Makes no sense to me.

token101

IrishAm wrote: »

Why leave Nigeria and come to Ireland, a predominantly ethnically European country, if you want to live around blacks?

Makes no sense to me.

Yeah, makes no sense to come from a third world country to a first world country with infinitely better prospects.

If the OP's assertion is racist, then every Irish community all over the world is equally as racist. You'll gravitate to people you can relate to, whether it's discussing Tayto crisps or how Shell are making a sh*t of your country.

IrishAm

token101 wrote: »

Yeah, makes no sense to come from a third world country to a first world country with infinitely better prospects.

Nigeria is resource rich nation with a national debt of 30 billion euro. Ireland is a bankrupt windswept rock with a national debt of 124 billion euro.

Yet 39% of them living here are unemployed, another large percentage of them are students and a minority of them are actually working.

If they prefer their own kind, why come here?

Nodin

IrishAm wrote: »

Nigeria is resource rich nation with a national debt of 30 billion euro. Ireland is a bankrupt windswept rock with a national debt of 124 billion euro.

Yet 39% of them living here are unemployed, another large percentage of them are students and a minority of them are actually working.

If they prefer their own kind, why come here?

Good man. Now that you've got a solid and totally reliable story like in the OP to go on, you can lash into them.

IrishAm

Nodin wrote: »

Good man. Now that you've got a solid and totally reliable story like in the OP to go on, you can lash into them.

It took you a whole eight minutes to respond.

Slipping, Nodin. Must be getting old.

DEFTLEFTHAND

The whole concept of racism is grossly misunderstood in modern society. The PC police rule the roost and one must at all times use acceptable terminology. I don't agree, I have friends from foreign shores and we josh all the time with racial slang, they call me 'mick' and I might retort with words like 'greaser' or 'slope'. Its all in good humour and nobody gets offended.

RoundyMooney

It's almost all that Nodin does, here on b.ie.

He's a pretty intelligent and witty guy when he wants-picking holes in every story that involves people that aren't of Irish descent (whether they are here or not) must get old eventually.

Zombrex

Pkiernan wrote: »

Friend is renting his house.

Houses to the left and right are rented to people originally from Nigeria.

Prospective tenant (also from Nigeria) is happy because "it will be nice to live next door to black people".

Depends on the sentiment behind what he said.

If he meant it as in it will be nice to have neighbors that remind him of Africa or something, then no it is not racist.

If he meant it as saying that black people make nicer neighbors than white people, then yes it was racist.

Racism is making a stereotypical assumption about how a person will be based on their skin color or ancestral origin.

If you ain't doing that you ain't being racist.

steddyeddy

Pkiernan wrote: »

Friend is renting his house.

Houses to the left and right are rented to people originally from Nigeria.

Prospective tenant (also from Nigeria) is happy because "it will be nice to live next door to black people".

I dont think hes being racist just a bit stupid. Black is not a race. It doesnt describe a large set of shared features. Theres more difference between an nigerian and a masai than there is between a european and nigerian.

MagicSean

Doc wrote: »

Only by PC idiots. If you are in a minority it is nice to have other people of the same minority around you because you don't feel so much like the odd one out. There is nothing racist about that.

Yes there is. Why does the race of the others matter? Even if you are the only white guy in a housing estate, you're still just one human among many.

IrishAm

steddyeddy wrote: »

Black is not a race. It doesnt describe a large set of shared features.

Of course it is.

steddyeddy

IrishAm wrote: »

Of course it is.

No its a color. There is no evidence for race in humans. Even if you go by genetics black doesnt cover one whole race. Also I was highlighting the fact that it would be an extremely unusual thing for a African man to say. A person from east Africa usually can distinguish between himself and a man of west african origin. There is vast differences between people who are collectivily referred to as "black". Do you think theres a lot in common between someone from papua new guinnea and nigera?

IrishAm

MagicSean wrote: »

Even if you are the only white guy in a housing estate, you're still just one human among many.

Try it and then get back to me.

war_child

I think the statement in itself was racist as he wasnt pointing out id like to live next to Nigerian or even African people he said Black and when colour is introduced it ultimatly becomes racial, ive had many dealings with black people over the years have worked with them and i have to say they would be the first one to wave the banners and bang the drums about racism , if a white person Irish or english or werever else said anything with the black word included they would undoubtedly be branded a racist.

I have seen it happen here and it has happened to me here but it doesnt really bother me coz i can be a bit racist especially when i see housing/welfare and other Irish things being given priority to non irish residents and with all honesty in the town i live i would always opt to use an irish taxi driver than a foreign driver personal preference. Im sure this statement will have me branded a racist but ya see this face ...its the i dont care face.

Ms.M

steddyeddy wrote: »

No its a color. There is no evidence for race in humans. Even if you go by genetics black doesnt cover one whole race. Also I was highlighting the fact that it would be an extremely unusual thing for a African man to say. A person from east Africa usually can distinguish between himself and a man of west african origin. There is vast differences between people who are collectivily referred to as "black". Do you think theres a lot in common between someone from papua new guinnea and nigera?

The "blacks and whites" thing came from America and the slave trade did it? It seems to have just spread across the globe with the rest of American culture.
Even when people say "Irish is not a race, we're Caucasian" it annoys me, and there's far less genetic variety there. People seem to define race in terms of colour mainly. It's just a word used to describe different peoples. "Peoplediness" just wouldn't work. Also weird is the way some perceive the peoples of the world in terms of "whites and non-whites." As if white people represent one half of the circle of bloody civilisation! It's a putting them all in the same boat, belittling little culture that's evolved I think.

IrishAm

Ms.M wrote: »

As if white people represent one half of the circle of bloody civilisation!

Que?

steddyeddy

Ms.M wrote: »

The "blacks and whites" thing came from America and the slave trade did it? It seems to have just spread across the globe with the rest of American culture.
Even when people say "Irish is not a race, we're Caucasian" it annoys me, and there's far less genetic variety there. People seem to define race in terms of colour mainly. It's just a word used to describe different peoples. "Peoplediness" just wouldn't work. Also weird is the way some perceive the peoples of the world in terms of "whites and non-whites." As if white people represent one half of the circle of bloody civilisation! It's a putting them all in the same boat, belittling little culture that's evolved I think.

Indeed! The term black is actually a really stupid term imo. You could be describing any human from a multitude of countries. Africans also vary drastically in appearance depending on what part of Africa their from.

skoomi

It's grand, black people are allowed to be racist.

IrishAm

steddyeddy wrote: »

Indeed! The term black is actually a really stupid term imo. You could be describing any human from a multitude of countries. Africans also vary drastically in appearance depending on what part of Africa their from.

What you prefer to be called instead of black?

war_child

skoomi wrote: »

It's grand, black people are allowed to be racist.

Ofcourse they are coz there all still strugglin, strugglin to get the extra fuel allowance , mobile phones, socialisin money Hmmmmm im offto dunnes to get some shoe polish ill be in a 3 bedroom house this day next week.

I worked with an African lad in a warehouse a few years back hed been in the country 2 months was working the same job as i was earning the same money as i was but on top he was given a socialising allowance on a friday so he could increase his social standing within the community he was given a pushbike to get to and from work he was also given a mobile phone so he could be contacted. This was all told to me by himself so its first hand information and he made no bones about telling me about these extra perks with a big smile on his face , now theres no wonder Irish people are feeling discriminated against in their own country because the simple fact of the matter is we are.

steddyeddy

IrishAm wrote: »

What you prefer to be called instead of black?

Well Im not black so anything really.

Nodin

RoundyMooney wrote: »

...........picking holes in every story that involves people that aren't of Irish descent (whether they are here or not) must get old eventually.

Particularily when its the same few stories over and over and over......
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=79957699&postcount=85

IrishAM wrote:

Of course it is..

Nope. For instance the natives on Mauritius are very dark skinned, yet are clearly not the same ethnic group as natives of Nigeria or Ghana.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_(human_classification)

IrishAm

Nodin wrote: »

For instance the natives on Mauritius are very dark skinned, yet are clearly not the same ethnic group as natives of Nigeria or Ghana.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_(human_classification)

Mauritians are not members of the black race. You couldn't tell the difference between a lower caste Indian and a Mauritian.

Nodin

war_child wrote: »

Ofcourse they are coz there all still strugglin, strugglin to get the extra fuel allowance , mobile phones, socialisin money Hmmmmm im offto dunnes to get some shoe polish ill be in a 3 bedroom house this day next week.

I worked with an African lad in a warehouse a few years back hed been in the country 2 months was working the same job as i was earning the same money as i was but on top he was given a socialising allowance on a friday so he could increase his social standing within the community he was given a pushbike to get to and from work he was also given a mobile phone so he could be contacted. This was all told to me by himself so its first hand information and he made no bones about telling me about these extra perks with a big smile on his face , now theres no wonder Irish people are feeling discriminated against in their own country because the simple fact of the matter is we are.

Private company gives out stuff because employee is black.......ahahahahahahahahahahahahahaaha.

In fairness, it makes a change from the welfare version. I like the pushbike part as well.

war_child

yano instead of the back and forward between is this racist is it not id like to ask a black person what they constitute as being a racial slur upon them , as imjust shooting in the dark here im assumin most of the people who are posting are predominantly white, some of them may just be the PC police if there is an honest to goodness blackperson here make yourself known so we can put this debate to rest ...cheers

Nodin

IrishAm wrote: »

Mauritians are not members of the black race. You couldn't tell the difference between a lower caste Indian and a Mauritian.

In colour, they're a helluva lot darker than many a man referred to as "black", hence the term "black" as a racial group is a nonsense.

IrishAm

Nodin wrote: »

In colour, they're a helluva lot darker than many a man referred to as "black", hence the term "black" as a racial group is a nonsense.

Black is just a handy term for those whom are indigenous to Africa. Ditto with white.

war_child

Nodin wrote: »

Private company gives out stuff because employee is black.......ahahahahahahahahahahahahahaaha.

In fairness, it makes a change from the welfare version. I like the pushbike part as well.

As i stated Nodin this is first hand information , trust me ya couldnt make this **** up if ya tried its so far out there not to be believable , and we were hired through an agency and it was the government that was paying his perks i never said aprivate company .please read post in its entirety before commenting cheers

steddyeddy

IrishAm wrote: »

Mauritians are not members of the black race. You couldn't tell the difference between a lower caste Indian and a Mauritian.

Lol there is no black race!! Its a color.

IrishAm

steddyeddy wrote: »

Lol there is no black race!! Its a color.

There is a hell of a lot more to race than just skin colour, buddy. Whack up a thread in Humanities if you want to get into it.

Ms.M

Nodin wrote: »

Nope. For instance the natives on Mauritius are very dark skinned, yet are clearly not the same ethnic group as natives of Nigeria or Ghana.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_(human_classification)

Another thing that people often have misconceptions about is the term "Caucasian". Genetically speaking, there are plenty of dark skinned peoples who are Caucasian. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasian_race

The "whites / non-whites" thing is pretty stupid when you consider many "non-whites" have more in common with Swedish people genetically than they do with Sub-saharan people.

steddyeddy

IrishAm wrote: »

There is a hell of a lot more to race than just skin colour, buddy. Whack up a thread in Humanities if you want to get into it.

No such thing and race buddy At least not amongst humans.

Ms.M

IrishAm wrote: »

There is a hell of a lot more to race than just skin colour, buddy. Whack up a thread in Humanities if you want to get into it.

He's arguing that black is a colour.
Not that race is a colour.

steddyeddy

Ms.M wrote: »

He's arguing that black is a colour.
Not that race is a colour.

Thanks Ms. think the arguement is lost though!

Nodin

war_child wrote: »

As i stated Nodin this is first hand information , trust me

Hmmmmm. Nope.

war_child wrote: »

ya couldnt make this **** up if ya tried its so far out there not to be believable , and we were hired through an agency and it was the government that was paying his perks i never said aprivate company .please read post in its entirety before commenting cheers

What was in the warehouse?

What department was employing you?

What department was paying his perks?

IrishAm

steddyeddy wrote: »

No such thing and race buddy At least not amongst humans.

Humans are not a race. They are a species. Which there are varying subspecies of.

IrishAm

Nodin wrote: »

Hmmmmm. Nope.



What was in the warehouse?

What department was employing you?

What department was paying his perks?

No need for us to rely on anecdotal evidence, Nodin. The CSO just realised unemployment figures by nationality. But I suspect you might not want to get into that one. :pac: