Is this racist?

Nodin

IrishAm wrote: »

Humans are not a race. They are a species. Which there are varying subspecies of.

There are no subspecies of human.

These results also show that 40,000 years ago there co-existed at least three
major sub-species that may be considered as "races" (or
not, see discussion below): Denisovans, Neanderthals and Cro-magnons. Today,
there's only one human species with no sub-species.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_(human_classification)

Nodin

IrishAm wrote: »

No need for us to rely on anecdotal evidence, Nodin. The CSO just realised unemployment figures by nationality. But I suspect you might not want to get into that one. :pac:

The CSO gives out free bikes, phones and a socialising allowance for 'being black'?

Pherekydes

IrishAm wrote: »

Nigeria is resource rich nation with a national debt of 30 billion euro. Ireland is a bankrupt windswept rock with a national debt of 124 billion euro.

Yet 39% of them living here are unemployed, another large percentage of them are students and a minority of them are actually working.

If they prefer their own kind, why come here?

Maybe you can get a good job and live near people you have stuff in common with.

Did you ever live abroad?

IrishAm

Nodin wrote: »

The CSO gives out free bikes, phones and a socialising allowance for 'being black'?

Nope. Just the breakdown of unemployment by nationality.

I suspect if some lad is living here as an asylum seeker and is living on 19.10 euro a week, that he may occasionally get an "allowance" for a hair cut, to purchase essentials and new clothing and maybe a few shillings to go to out for a few beves/a meal/cinema or the like.

Which doesn't sound all that fanciful if you think about and it wouldn't really bother me in the slightest.

I doubt some lad legally working would get any of that, mind.

IrishAm

Pherekydes wrote: »

Did you ever live abroad?

Yes ! In predominantly non white areas.

Pherekydes

IrishAm wrote: »

Yes ! In predominantly non white areas.

And you loved it?

Toby Take a Bow

war_child wrote: »

As i stated Nodin this is first hand information , trust me ya couldnt make this **** up if ya tried its so far out there not to be believable , and we were hired through an agency and it was the government that was paying his perks i never said aprivate company .please read post in its entirety before commenting cheers

I'd like to see where in official documentation that these perks are explicitly referred to. If you're not making it up yourself, it sounds like he was pulling your leg.

Nodin

IrishAm wrote: »

Nope. Just the breakdown of unemployment by nationality.

I suspect if some lad is living here as an asylum seeker and is living on 19.10 euro a week, that he may occasionally get an "allowance" for a hair cut, to purchase essentials and new clothing and maybe a few shillings to go to out for a few beves/a meal/cinema or the like.

........

...that wasn't what was outlined however.

IrishAm

Pherekydes wrote: »

And you loved it?

Worst fourteen months of my life. I was very naive and believed the we are all the human race happy clappy meme. I wasn't very aware of my skin colour beforehand. I most certainly was after.

Camden NJ.

IrishAm

Nodin wrote: »

...that wasn't what was outlined however.

Yes, as I said I don't believe that any working man would receive any of the benefits the chap mentioned.

Pherekydes

IrishAm wrote: »

Worst fourteen months of my life. I was very naive and believed the we are all the human race happy clappy meme. I wasn't very aware of my skin colour beforehand. I most certainly was after.

Camden NJ.

So are you capable as a human being to put yourself in the shoes of another human being? Put yourself in the shoes of a Nigerian who's come here to work as a physio. Good job, good prospects. Neighbours...?

IrishAm

Pherekydes wrote: »

So are you capable as a human being to put yourself in the shoes of another human being? Put yourself in the shoes of a Nigerian who's come here to work as a physio. Good job, good prospects. Neighbours...?

A white chap living in a predominantly non white area will receive much more abuse and harassment than a Nigerian lad living in Ireland.

Don't believe me? Try it.

Pherekydes

IrishAm wrote: »

A white chap living in a predominantly non white area will receive much more abuse and harassment than a Nigerian lad living in Ireland.

Don't believe me? Try it.

If that's the case, why wouldn't they want to come here?

Madam_X

It would surely depend on the area. Claiming any predominantly black area at all would be worse for whites than the reverse just because of the one area you lived in is not convincing.

IrishAm

Pherekydes wrote: »

If that's the case, why wouldn't they want to come here?

Indeed. The problem is non uneducated non whites hate us more than you and I can even fathom. Having lived amongst them abroad and experienced this first hand, I don't really wish to experience it again. Especially not in my native land.

IrishAm

Onixx wrote: »

It would surely depend on the area. Claiming any predominantly black area at all would be worse for whites than the reverse just because of the one area you lived in is not convincing.

As I said, if you don't believe me - try it yourself.

Pherekydes

IrishAm wrote: »

Indeed. The problem is non uneducated non whites hate us more than you and I can even fathom. Having lived amongst them abroad and experienced this first hand, I don't really wish to experience it again. Especially not in my native land.

Non uneducated non whites? My mind is still reeling.

I take it by your last sentence that you're dead against immigration? But it's ok for Irish to emigrate?

Toby Take a Bow

IrishAm wrote: »

A white chap living in a predominantly non white area will receive much more abuse and harassment than a Nigerian lad living in Ireland.

Don't believe me? Try it.

How would you know?

Madam_X

IrishAm wrote: »

As I said, if you don't believe me - try it yourself.

So you know for a fact,despite limited evidence, that every black area the world over is worse for whites than the reverse?

mikemac1

Thread full of anecdotes and useless stories that nobody can back up

Has anyone mentioned yet the non-nationals get bullied on Bus Éireann so da social give them 2,000 to buy a car? Heard that one in Galway



IrishAM, maybe post up those CSO stats, might add something to the thread

IrishAm

Pherekydes wrote: »

I take it by your last sentence that you're dead against immigration? But it's ok for Irish to emigrate?

Nope I welcome EU citizens and highly skilled non EU citizens.

IrishAm

Onixx wrote: »

So you know for a fact,despite limited evidence, that every black area the world over is worse for whites than the reverse?

Do you want me to introduce the figures for black on white murder and rape, compared to the white on black crime rates using FBI statistics to this thread?

And in the UK?

And in South Africa?

I will. You won't like it, mind.

MikeMac....

According to the CSO the rate of unemployment among non Irish people in 2011 was 22 percent compared with a rate of 18.5 percent among Irish people.
Nigerians had the highest unemployment rate amongst non nationals at 39 per cent while nationals from the Nordic countries had the lowest rates.
Among Eastern European nationals Lithuanian had an unemployment rate of 24 percent while the rate for Polish nationals was slightly lower at 21 percent.

http://www.cso.ie/en/media/csoie/census/documents/census2011profile3/Profile3_at_work_entire_doc.pdf

Nodin

Onixx wrote: »

So you know for a fact,despite limited evidence, that every black area the world over is worse for whites than the reverse?

Camden NJ = Black person HQ.

old_aussie

Won't somebody think of the children Greek mosquitos.

Fratton Fred

mikemac1 wrote: »

Thread full of anecdotes and useless stories that nobody can back up

Has anyone mentioned yet the non-nationals get bullied on Bus Éireann so da social give them 2,000 to buy a car? Heard that one in Galway

Champion. I need a new car, 2 grand is it? That'll be great for carting the new pushchair around in, save me leaving it at a bus stop when I'm a hurry.

areyawell

When I rent a house and have to rent one with people I dont know I always ask the Landlord is the house full of Irish people. I prefer to live with Irish people and am not racist at all.

Gott

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

.... I honestly think there are more people who look for racism than actual racists in this world. :rolleyes:

and the mental thing is, its white people LOOKING for whats racist.

So many sensible responses in this thread. It's like I'm not even on the internet.

Look for a tumblr called Racism School or something like that, the guy who runs it is one of these white guilt crusaders who sends screencaps of people using what he deems 'racist' language - even if it's in a colloquial context with friends - and sends it to their principals, employers, colleagues etc.

Charming chap.

steddyeddy

IrishAm wrote: »

steddyeddy wrote: »

No such thing and race buddy At least not amongst humans.

Humans are not a race. They are a species. Which there are varying subspecies of.

Sub species of human??

tonymantana

Calling a spade a spade‏

SocSocPol

IrishAm wrote: »

Nope I welcome EU citizens and highly skilled non EU citizens.

Strange quote from someone who wasn,t too welcoming of the 4,000 non Irish born residents who recently became citizens of this country.

steddyeddy

Fratton Fred wrote: »

mikemac1 wrote: »

Thread full of anecdotes and useless stories that nobody can back up

Has anyone mentioned yet the non-nationals get bullied on Bus Éireann so da social give them 2,000 to buy a car? Heard that one in Galway

Champion. I need a new car, 2 grand is it? That'll be great for carting the new pushchair around in, save me leaving it at a bus stop when I'm a hurry.

Dont forget to say your polish and making your holy communion!

IrishAm

SocSocPol wrote: »

Strange quote from someone who wasn,t too welcoming of the 4,000 non Irish born residents who recently became citizens of this country.

Its an easy statement to comprehend. Have a think about it.

SocSocPol

IrishAm wrote: »

Its an easy statement to comprehend. Have a think about it.

like most of the english speaking world I'm still trying to comprehend your earlier post:
"The problem is non uneducated non whites hate us more than you and I can even fathom "

Oranage2

IrishAm wrote: »

A white chap living in a predominantly non white area will receive much more abuse and harassment than a Nigerian lad living in Ireland.

Don't believe me? Try it.

Not sure how true that is, here's a website about a happy white couple with many black friends.


http://www.blackpeopleloveus.com/index.html

IrishAm

SocSocPol wrote: »

like most of the english speaking world I'm still trying to comprehend your earlier post:

Maybe for you.

Which two are likely to cause more social problems, a young fella studying in university or a lad who left school at the age of 14?

SocSocPol

IrishAm wrote: »

Maybe for you.

Which two are likely to cause more social problems, a young fella studying in university or a lad who left school at the age of 14?

Bearing in mind the number of University Graduates who bankrupted this state and riddled its political system with corruption and illegality I would put my money on the latter as oppossed to the former!
Still if a University Degree impresses you that much I have one myself, hence my user name:pac:

IrishAm

SocSocPol wrote: »

Still if a University Degree impresses you that much I have one myself, hence my user name:pac:

Sociology and Social Policy? Explains a lot.

Tombi!

Oranage2 wrote: »

Not sure how true that is, here's a website about a happy white couple with many black friends.


http://www.blackpeopleloveus.com/index.html

I think I'm scarred for life after that.
Those people are f**king insane.
The quotes from the "black people" (I honestly don't believe any black people said of the testimonials).

Jesus Shaves

Brutal Deluxe wrote: »

I think I'm scarred for life after that.
Those people are f**king insane.
The quotes from the "black people" (I honestly don't believe any black people said of the testimonials).

:)I think it might be fake

Tombi!

Jesus Shaves wrote: »

:)I think it might be fake

I think I might have to rechcek my sense of humour.
I thought it was something like those "pray away the gay" nutjob camps/sites.

Ms.M

IrishAm wrote: »

Its an easy statement to comprehend. Have a think about it.

IrishAm wrote: »

Sociology and Social Policy? Explains a lot.

Taken from 100 things to say when you doubt the strength of your argument?

Ms.M

Brutal Deluxe wrote: »

I think I might have to rechcek my sense of humour.
I thought it was something like those "pray away the gay" nutjob camps/sites.

They've a link to mahagony hallmark cards.

later12

Brutal Deluxe wrote: »

Of course if he thinks blacks are better than whatever race he's living next to currently, yes, he's a racist and should be flogged.

Just to play devil's advocate on this definition of racism, to what extent is that racist? I mean the premise that all races (arbitrary and unstable as the concept of race may be) are equal to one another is dubious from a biophysical viewpoint.

One difficulty with approaching this question is (well meaning) political correctness.

Another difficulty is that there is heavy social conditioning muddying the distinction between race & identity. Perhaps the reason why I have no natural rhythm is because I was raised in a rather cold, conservative Tipperary; not because I am white. Perhaps the reason why 80% of NBA players are black, is because they grew up in urban environments where basketball was a means of survival, not because they are genetically built for longer legs, greater lung capacity, and more red muscle fibres. I'm not sure we know the answer to that yet.

But at some stage, I believe we do need to address the possibility of some races (again, an unfortunate term, since race is a highly arbitrary human construct) being statistically inferior or superior to one another in certain human endeavours.

Asking that question might help to unlock a lot more information on human evolutionary genetics and how we got to where we are today. However, it is something that the world is probably not quite ready for just yet.

mikemac1

later12 wrote: »

Perhaps the reason why 80% of NBA players are black, is because they grew up in urban environments where basketball was a means of survival,

Great athletes, they have getting away from the cops speed :cool:

Ms.M

later12 wrote: »

Just to play devil's advocate on this definition of racism, to what extent is that racist? I mean the premise that all races (arbitrary and unstable as the concept of race may be) are equal to one another is dubious from a biophysical viewpoint.

One difficulty with approaching this question is (well meaning) political correctness.

Another difficulty is that there is heavy social conditioning muddying the distinction between race & identity. Perhaps the reason why I have no natural rhythm is because I was raised in a rather cold, conservative Tipperary; not because I am white. Perhaps the reason why 80% of NBA players are black, is because they grew up in urban environments where basketball was a means of survival, not because they are genetically built for longer legs, greater lung capacity, and more red muscle fibres. I'm not sure we know the answer to that yet.

But at some stage, I believe we do need to address the possibility of some races (again, an unfortunate term, since race is a highly arbitrary human construct) being statistically inferior or superior to one another in certain human endeavours.

Asking that question might help to unlock a lot more information on human evolutionary genetics and how we got to where we are today. However, it is something that the world is probably not quite ready for just yet.

If he wanted to live beside black folk because he thought they'd be more of a challenge on the basket-ball court I think that's ok. I think most people recognise that genetics makes you better at some things than other people are. (I, for one, am excellent at burning in the sun, even with minimal exposure to sunlight) I think the poster meant it as superior as a human being; better people in that sense. (p.s I wouldn't class what the black man said in the original OP to be racist; depends on context)

Tombi!

later12 wrote: »

Just to play devil's advocate on this definition of racism, to what extent is that racist? I mean the premise that all races (arbitrary and unstable as the concept of race may be) are equal to one another is dubious from a biophysical viewpoint.

I'm not talking about actual phyiscal reasons (regardless of if they exist or not).

I mean if I have a choice between two races and I pick one in my belief that they are "better" people.