Unpopular hip hop opinions.

conor.hogan.2

If 2pac was average technically then Biggie for example was a dribbling 3 year old and Eminem just had a varied flow.

mufcboy1999

I think some people mistake rappers for being great intelligent/technical Mc's for the use of more intellectual words, i.e dictionary rap .

Boom_Bap

conor.hogan.2 wrote: »

If 2pac was average technically then Biggie for example was a dribbling 3 year old and Eminem just had a varied flow.

2Pac essentially rapped a line, and then another while rhyming the last word of each line. Every 5th or 6th line he would raise his tone or get a bit singy songy to convey his emotion.

Biggie had internal rhymes in lines and wasn't afraid to switch tempo.

Eminem can adapt the way he raps to every beat, with complex rhyming structures that resonate throughout a verse. Every time I hear some of his older stuff, I hear new amazing things that I have never noticed before.
His appearance on Renegade is sensational and should be studied by any aspiring rapper. Pay attention to the 'S' sound in the first verse.

mufcboy1999 wrote: »

I think some people mistake rappers for being great intelligent/technical Mc's for the use of more intellectual words, i.e dictionary rap .

The Finglas rapper Miscellaneous whatever her name springs to mind.

LUPE

Andre 3000 is way overrated.

OutKast had some very good albums, no question. Big Boi is the more talented rapper of the two and individually they are far weaker than the sum of their parts - why Andre gets such hype is beyond me. As an individual rapper he's not even top 20. Nowhere near.

Several groups better than OutKast as well

Jimmy Iovine

LUPE wrote: »

Andre 3000 is way overrated.

OutKast had some very good albums, no question. Big Boi is the more talented rapper of the two and individually they are far weaker than the sum of their parts - why Andre gets such hype is beyond me. As an individual rapper he's not even top 20. Nowhere near.

Several groups better than OutKast as well

Name a few.

Bobby Baccala

Jimmy Iovine wrote: »

Name a few.

Personally i can only think of 2, and one of them is debatable.
Wu Tang and ATCQ.

Rjd2

P4DDY2K11 wrote: »

Personally i can only think of 2, and one of them is debatable.
Wu Tang and ATCQ.

You could argue that De La Soul may have been better but that like your 2 selections is very debatable really.

baddebt

My own opinion of course

Wu
ATCQ
Mobb Deep (4 absolute bangin albums)
Group Home
Jurassic 5
AOTP
Jedi mind tricks
Snowgoons
EPMD
Geto Boys
Public enemy
All are Better and have produced better Albums than anything Outkast have done , Merely my opinion of course

Jimmy Iovine

Boom_Bap wrote: »

Eminem can adapt the way he raps to every beat, with complex rhyming structures that resonate throughout a verse. Every time I hear some of his older stuff, I hear new amazing things that I have never noticed before.
His appearance on Renegade is sensational and should be studied by any aspiring rapper. Pay attention to the 'S' sound in the first verse.

This video looks at his first verse on "Lose Yourself". As the video guy says almost every word rhymes with another word. That wasn't by accident. You have to be at the very peak of your creative skills to be able to pull off something like that and turn it into a hit song.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miIxNCn-vjY

BetterCallSaul

Outkast definitely deserve to be alongside the likes of RUN DMC, Beastie Boys, Public Enemy, NWA, Jurassic 5, Tribe, Wu Tang, The Roots etc...

Tribe are my favourite but the Roots have been one of the most consistent. 10 albums over nearly 20 years and I like every one of them.

FishBowel

DJ Spiral's album has a few good tracks!

conor.hogan.2

Boom_Bap wrote: »

Biggie had internal rhymes in lines and wasn't afraid to switch tempo.

Rhyming simply using internal rhyme does not make it "technical".

Biggie is one of those rappers who people exaggerate his "technicality" to compensate from his lack of subject matter.

Talib Fiasco

baddebt wrote: »

My own opinion of course

Wu
ATCQ
Mobb Deep (4 absolute bangin albums)
Group Home
Jurassic 5
AOTP
Jedi mind tricks
Snowgoons
EPMD
Geto Boys
Public enemy
All are Better and have produced better Albums than anything Outkast have done , Merely my opinion of course

Group Home? C'mon son. Livin' Proof was a good album (predominatly for Primo) but still can't touch Kasts first three albums. And I'm trying to be as neutral as possible. And I love Mobb Deep but if they got 4 'bangin' albums then Kast have 4 classics. Now you tell me whos being crazy? I'm not even gonna go into the Snowgoons. I'll admit I haven't heard alot and probably shouldn't be commenting but is this actually a serious pick? If you could convince anyone here that Snowgoons are better than Outkast I'll sell every hip hop CD I own for 1 cent each on ebay. I'm liking the mentioning of EPMD and Public Enemy though so big ups for that. EPMD arguably have a better discography than Kast but I still think the skills of 3k and Big and their influence and success is too much. Still though I definitely respect them two choices.

Panacea, Gang Starr and Organized Konfusion are three obvious picks for me. Solid MC's. Great production. Similar strength discographies. Solo careers etc. It's still hard to put them on top of Kast though.

Bobby Baccala

Biggies talent is not over exaggerated, he was an excellent MC for example the first line of "unbelievable":

"Live from Bedford Stuyvesant, the livest one"
That on it's own is a brilliant example of how technical a lyricist he was, who could have thought of a line like that? And there's blatant examples of internal rhyme right there. Compared to big, Pac as a lyricist was basic, but Pac did cover a fairly large amount of topics and had a brilliant story telling ability, that's not to be forgotten. They were 2 different types of rappers with 2 very different styles and they covered different topics between each other.

Fúck it, Treach smokes the 2 of them when it comes to flows and technical ability, he's a freak.

tossy

All of these reinforce my opinion that most of the posters here haven't a clue what Hip Hop is.

MrKingsley wrote: »

D-12 world is a quality album and as a group they werent given the credit they deserved

P4DDY2K11 wrote: »

British hip hop is shít apart from some of Mike Skinners work.

horsebox09 wrote: »

...DJ Paul & Juicy J are the most underrated producers of all time

Immortal Technique is a sh!tty rapper, a good lyricist at his best, but his flow and delivery are atrocious

Lil Wayne is overhated on this board, Da Drought 3, Dedication 2, Carter 1 and 2 and the Carter 3 sessions are all solid

conor.hogan.2 wrote: »

If 2pac was average technically then Biggie for example was a dribbling 3 year old and Eminem just had a varied flow.

All of these however give me hope.

baddebt wrote: »

Wu
ATCQ
Mobb Deep (4 absolute bangin albums)
Group Home
Jurassic 5
AOTP
Jedi mind tricks
EPMD
Geto Boys
Public enemy
All are Better and have produced better Albums than anything Outkast have done , Merely my opinion of course

ustari wrote: »

Tupac is extremely overrated as a rapper. He may be a decent poet to some but his rapping is just poor imo.

Lil Wayne is ****e by and large. Can't understand the appeal for him.

Action Bronson deserves more credit, really good rapper, I feel his colour/appearence is holding him back.

The new age of piracy isnt ruining the music industry, it is helping it.

Wu Tang are becoming a parody of themselves.

weemcd wrote: »

Big L is one of the greatest to ever MC and is extremely underrated

Boom_Bap wrote: »

2Pac is a fairly average rapper technically.

Hip Hop was never dead, people just weren't looking beyond the charts.

Timberland was one of the most inventive producers at one point and produced exceptional music.

Dr Dre has been wack-sauce since The Chronic 2001.

Mello Music Group should have everyones support in Hip Hop.

All members of the Wu by and large talk nonsense. Particularly Ghost and Rae. But I still love them.

Raekwon has released some dreadful albums.

There are so many rappers/groups on the 'underground' that will never get heard because they don't have financial backing, and they are 20 bazillion times better artists than what is popular.

PS Ustari you still got the Golf?

Jimmy Iovine

tossy wrote: »

All of these reinforce my opinion that most of the posters here haven't a clue what Hip Hop is.

All of these however give me hope.

PS Ustari you still got the Golf?

Well aren't we all lucky that you're on hand to tell us what is and what isn't hip hop. Without you around we'd all be lost. Thanks.

tossy

Jimmy Iovine wrote: »

Well aren't we all lucky that you're on hand to tell us what is and what isn't hip hop. Without you around we'd all be lost. Thanks.

Anytime Buddy maybe my opinions are too unpopular for you :rolleyes:

Boom_Bap

This is the unpopular hip hop opinions threads, so can you agree to disagree please and respect each others opinions.

BetterCallSaul

tossy wrote: »

All of these reinforce my opinion that most of the posters here haven't a clue what Hip Hop is.



All of these however give me hope.

I pretty much agree with most of the points, except I think Outkast's Aquemini deserves as much recognition as the other groups posted.

But, there is nothing worse than that elitist music snob attitude.

tossy

Boom_Bap wrote: »

This is the unpopular hip hop opinions threads, so can you agree to disagree please and respect each others opinions.

Exactly - and i'm of the opinion most people here don't have a clue what hip hop is/was and can be

Jimmy Iovine

tossy wrote: »

Exactly - and i'm of the opinion most people here don't have a clue what hip hop is/was and can be

Well what is/was hip hop to you then?

tossy

Jimmy Iovine wrote: »

Well what is/was hip hop to you then?

You wouldn't understand

Talib Fiasco

@tossy - If you wouldn't mind. What/who are your top 5 MC's, groups and albums of all time??

tossy

TheComeUp wrote: »

@tossy - If you wouldn't mind. What/who are your top 5 MC's, groups and albums of all time??

It's a loaded question though isn't it? And it's all subjective i'e my opinion against yours.Plus im not 15 so i try avoid putting things into top 5 lists lol although i have done it.

Jimmy Iovine

tossy wrote: »

You wouldn't understand

Why do you bother calling everyone else's opinion wrong if you're not going to back it up with something yourself? You're just coming across as an arrogant so-and-so.

Talib Fiasco

tossy wrote: »

It's a loaded question though isn't it? And it's all subjective i'e my opinion against yours.Plus im not 15 so i try avoid putting things into top 5 lists lol although i have done it.

I'm well aware it's all subjective, I'm just genuinely interested in what you do like and rate...because you're clearly agreeing and disagreeing with other peoples tastes so I'm just trying to figure out what your taste actually is you know? Haha okay thats fair enough..just give a rough few so?

Boom_Bap

This is starting to look like an attack on tossy. I would like to avoid that from happening.

You can see in tossy's multi-quote post earlier (about 12 posts back) of some of what is agreed and disagreed with.

Jimmy Iovine

Boom_Bap wrote: »

This is starting to look like an attack on tossy. I would like to avoid that from happening.

You can see in tossy's multi-quote post earlier (about 12 posts back) of some of what is agreed and disagreed with.

I'm not trying to attack him or anything. I've noticed his last few posts on the forum and they've all been saying that he thinks no one on here knows what hip hop is. I simply asked him what he thinks hip hop is. He doesn't seem to want to answer it so I've nothing further to add really.

tossy

Jimmy Iovine wrote: »

Why do you bother calling everyone else's opinion wrong if you're not going to back it up with something yourself? You're just coming across as an arrogant so-and-so.

I'm not calling everyones opinions wrong,i also quoted a heap of people who i thought were talking sense,so that's a bit unfair. I am far from arrogant so apologies if i come across like that,but it is kind of amusing that on a thread about unpopular opinions you are getting upset about opinions

TheComeUp wrote: »

I'm well aware it's all subjective, I'm just genuinely interested in what you do like and rate...because you're clearly agreeing and disagreeing with other peoples tastes so I'm just trying to figure out what your taste actually is you know? Haha okay thats fair enough..just give a rough few so?

Just sorting out a few A-Z folders here so will throw out a few random names in no order/preference (i'm sure some of you will ridicule lol,and i'm certain a few flaws in my character can be found based on my preferences)

Action Bronson
Access immortal
Afu Ra
ATCQ
Big L
BDP
Buckle Bros
Cali agents
Camp lo
Common
Crown city Rockers
Das EFX
Derek B
Defari
Diamond D
Dilated Peoples
ED OG
EPMD
Evidence
Gangstarr
Glasemilla
Hi Jack
Hi Tek
Immortal Technique
Jay Electronica
Jay Z
Jazz Liberatorz
Jeru
J Live
J Zone
King Gheedorah
Kool G
Large Pro
Living legends
London posse
Main source
Mantra
Masta Ace
Nas
NO ID
OC
Oktober
PUTS
Pete rock
Pharcyde
QNC
Rasco
Raze
Ruste Juxx
Saukrates
Scarface
Swollen members
Termanology
The Beatnuts
The Roots
Tragedy
VA Slim
Visionaries
Warren G
Wu tang
Xzibit
Zion I


By no means perfect but a small segment of what i'd be into.Also lads it's the internet so you should stop taking it so seriously

bigpoppa

People who claim they are into 'real' hip hop - opinion is never wrong if it comes from a place of honesty people and we aint 12

2pac is massively overrated

Biggie Smalls was dope and one of the best MC's eva!

It is over for 50 cent - 1 good album and thats it - Schoolboy Q kills him on the latest track

Ditto Game - listen to Red album only to hear Kendrick kill him on The City

No time for Drake / Lil Wayne history will not be kind to these guys

New NAS album is O.K - Nasty is killer track but again people think it is next coming of Jesus

Kanye is a mental but a genius - Watch the Throne is a great album was his last album

Kendrick is gonna be huge