Unpopular hip hop opinions.

Talib Fiasco

There's numerous albums there that weren't even released in the time frame I mentioned. And what's so silly about it? It's as relevant as calling someone the best rapper alive etc. And Nas/BIG/Rae were even involved in a feud with all the subliminal disses.

Seaneh

every album there was realeasd between 96 and 98.

prodigy didnt realease a single solo slbum n that time.

he was never anywhere near the best rapper in NY.

Mob Deep are decent but they were never at the top level.

Talib Fiasco

Are you actually serious here? 96-98 you say? Hard To Earn - 94. Lifestylez... - 95. Liquid Swords - 95. OB4CL - 95. Dah Shinin' - 95. All We Got Iz Us - 95. I Am... - 99. Beneath The Surface - 99.

Hmmmm considering I said clearly 95-97 what's your point with mentioning those albums if you're saying now it's 96-98? And by what I said that I mean 95 and 96. If I was to include 97 I woulda said to 98. Who cares whether or not he didn't release a solo in that time frame? Are solo albums really the be all and end all? So are you gonna take away Q-Tip's credibility from the ATCQ albums just because they were group albums? Same with the Wu members, Tek and Steele etc. And Mobb Deep were never at the top level?? C'mon now quit fooling around. If you can't regard The Infamous and Hell On Earth as top albums of that period I dunno what's the world coming to.

floggg

mufcboy1999 wrote: »

tbh i started to hate khaled when he ran from gunit after the vma's in the mid 00s, he's a b*tch. When 50's beef with officer ross started to get out of control a few years ago, khaled got involved 50 sent people to his mothers work after he mocked 50s son and khaled done nothing the same way that fat cop done nothing when 50 had his kids and his ex wife at floyd mayweathers house. Khaled and his crew are bi*hes, so when i see them portraying this tough image and lyrics it makes me laugh because on the topic of being real and being a "g" like you said, there sure isnt much proof other than one was a cop and the other is too much of a woman to retaliate when someone is at his mothers troat. funk flex and a whole host of other hip hop heads had to intervene and stop this beef after this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GynEb3CYJo

Yea, what a coward. Why didn't he shoot or stab somebody, or at least kidnap their children?

I mean this is music after all, why aren't they taking these publicity stunt album promo beefs to extreme and violent conclusions?

Everybody knows that "real men" are the ones who end up dead or in jail over stupid pointless ****.

Seaneh

TheComeUp wrote: »

Are you actually serious here? 96-98 you say? Hard To Earn - 94. Lifestylez... - 95. Liquid Swords - 95. OB4CL - 95. Dah Shinin' - 95. All We Got Iz Us - 95. I Am... - 99. Beneath The Surface - 99.

Hmmmm considering I said clearly 95-97 what's your point with mentioning those albums if you're saying now it's 96-98? And by what I said that I mean 95 and 96. If I was to include 97 I woulda said to 98. Who cares whether or not he didn't release a solo in that time frame? Are solo albums really the be all and end all? So are you gonna take away Q-Tip's credibility from the ATCQ albums just because they were group albums? Same with the Wu members, Tek and Steele etc. And Mobb Deep were never at the top level?? C'mon now quit fooling around. If you can't regard The Infamous and Hell On Earth as top albums of that period I dunno what's the world coming to.

I was half asleep and on my phone.
The reason I posted those albums is because they were all released between 94 and 99, the period when Mob's 3 best albums were released, in that time, not even once, was any of those 3 albums considered the album of the year.

From 1995:
It was behind Only Built for Cuban Linx and Liquid swords to start with, I'd rather listen to a few others as well over "The Infamous"

From 1996:
you have Reasonable Doubt, Ironman, The Score, Stakes is High, The Comming, It was written, The Enigma and a load more classics I'd rather listen to than Hell on Earth.

From 1999:
Black on both sides, I am, Beneath the Surface, Operation Doomsday, The Live and Times of S. Carter, and so on.

And those are just albums from NY I'd rate as albums I'd prefer to Mob's 3 "Best" albums from the years they were released.


The reason I posted all those album covers is this:
In the 5 years that Mobb Deep released their 3 best albums, they weren't even the best albums to be released in NY those years.

If I was to to one year before or after those releases and then 97 and 98 as well, the Mobb Deep Albums probably wouldn't even be in most peoples top 10 from NY.

1994, Ready to Die and Illmatic..
1997, Life after death, I Got Next.
1998, Moment of Truth, The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill, Black Star.
2000, Supreme Clientel, The W, The Big Picture .


Point being, if they never released an album that was the best of that year, how could he be "The King of NY".


Also, the whole King of NY thing was about who was the best rapper, not who had the best album.


Nas had been getitng **** for years about how everything since Illmatic was alet down because his beat selection sucks (and it did) but nobody questioned him Lyrically, he's always been top 5 best lyricists in the world, always.

Jay was releasing albums with much better production and he was on point lyrically too.

Nas vs Jay wasn't about who had the better album it was who was the better rapper and it was because at the time, in that regard, they were head and shoulders above anyone else in NY.
Even Nas's worst albums have insane lyrical content, even his worst song has lines anyone else would kill for.

Prodigy was never on their level, ever, as a lyricist.

mufcboy1999

Nas had been getitng **** for years about how everything since Illmatic was alet down because his beat selection sucks (and it did) but nobody questioned him Lyrically, he's always been top 5 best lyricists in the world, always.

<mod snip>leave the moderating to the mods please</mod snip>

an ill flow with no beat is incomplete. Nas has released a truck load of rubbish before life was good and distant relatives imo. Hip hop is dead was a terrible album so was n*gga (controversial names to gain some buzz imo) and streets desciple was also pretty bad. God's son was great but that was 10 years ago so was the lost tapes but thats not an album. life is good was a class album imo despite some here not liking it and tbh was a long over-due decent piece of work on a whole from nas because the one thing you could always critize nas on was he has way too much filler on his albums. Life is good is my favorite album this year so far but like i said it was his 1st decent album in ten years so come off this nas cant be touched rubbish, you critize other people for making bad music when nas himself has released just as much.

THEY ARE ALL FAKE.

NONE OF THEM ARE "G".

THEY ARE ****ING ENTERTAINERS.

im not replying to all of this because your talking through your arse and dont the in's and out's of 50s past with supreme or for that matter nas's. The fact is there not all fake, you do relize the likes of 50 was locked up before rap? the mugshot is even online,the mans an ex con before hip hop,shot several times , links with queens top guys supreme team before hip hop, the beef with ja started after his friend robbed him before hip hop its transcended into the music but started off in the streets before 50 was even on aftermath. The hit factory incident a whole lot of them were stabbed not just 50 listen to the black child interview from murder inc, listen to all the old g unit an actual street gang, bang em smurf, domination who all hate 50 now,they still tell it like it was, look at yayo locked up before hip hop.

I dont care what you or floog think the fact is this is gangsta hip hop and i know id believe a load of lads who were shot and locked up before hip hop over 2 fat boys with one being an ex cop rapping from the perspective of a drug lord...

Like the game said , all the rappers who rap about being shot or shooting this that or the other when the fact is there's only a few in hip hop who actually walked that walk and felt bullets for real. how you gona call them fake?

Seaneh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_tTIRxcJ24

"I Can't Stand These Rappers Dat Just Shootin Off They Lip
Every Rapper Is A Clapper
Your Producer Is A Shooter
Engineer Gotta Nine
Label Boss Gotta Ruger
Yeah Right We Ain't Stupid
We Don't Believe These Losers
Gotta Mac In Da Booth
Tell The Truth, It's A Computer

....

Ok, U Say U Rap
U Know How I Can Tell U Whack
It's 2007 N U Still Sellin Crack
Back N 1986 When We Was Shootin Over Sneakers
Crack Was King But Now They Slangin N It's Drastically Cheaper
It Ain't A Real Demand There Ain't No Short Supply
Just The Same Old Crackheads Getting Twice As High
These Niggas Like 2 Lie On How They Kill On Corners
They Still Corny, They Don't Know What The Real New York Is
Faster Than A Rose N Crime Inner City Drop
It Wasn't Cuz The Mayor Added 40,000 Cops
U On The Corner Like &#147;Wow, My Style Is Pretty Hot&#148;
But My Style Mile Is Equal 2 20 City Blocks
Most Say New York Is Soft
It's Softer With The Beef ****
Niggas Can't Separate The Music From The Street ****
Man That's Some Weak ****
"


Pretty much sums it all up.

mufcboy1999

Seaneh wrote: »

"I Can't Stand These Rappers Dat Just Shootin Off They Lip
Every Rapper Is A Clapper
Your Producer Is A Shooter
Engineer Gotta Nine
Label Boss Gotta Ruger
Yeah Right We Ain't Stupid
We Don't Believe These Losers
Gotta Mac In Da Booth
Tell The Truth, It's A Computer

....

Ok, U Say U Rap
U Know How I Can Tell U Whack
It's 2007 N U Still Sellin Crack
Back N 1986 When We Was Shootin Over Sneakers
Crack Was King But Now They Slangin N It's Drastically Cheaper
It Ain't A Real Demand There Ain't No Short Supply
Just The Same Old Crackheads Getting Twice As High
These Niggas Like 2 Lie On How They Kill On Corners
They Still Corny, They Don't Know What The Real New York Is
Faster Than A Rose N Crime Inner City Drop
It Wasn't Cuz The Mayor Added 40,000 Cops
U On The Corner Like “Wow, My Style Is Pretty Hot”
But My Style Mile Is Equal 2 20 City Blocks
Most Say New York Is Soft
It's Softer With The Beef ****
Niggas Can't Separate The Music From The Street ****
Man That's Some Weak ****
"


Pretty much sums it all up.

Nice song but look not everyone's fake those lryics can be applied to the likes of Ross and khaled. Il leave it that because it's not worth falling out over it, you think there all fake , I don't simple.

@mods wasn't modding at all , just didn't apprciate being swore left right and centre at. Maybe we should all do that in the future looks great for the forum.

Bobby Baccala

Late Registration is better than the majority of hip hop albums that came out in the 00s

mufcboy1999

Schoolboy Q is the hottest rapper in the game at this very moment.

Da Shins Kelly

conor.hogan.2 wrote: »

Who else? Of course it is my opinion.

His fame as an actor/comedian has if anything hindered his success as a rapper. Oh and just assume imo is after every single word above if it helps you.

I can think of one rapper who people would say is better but CG is not a carbon copy on a WTC member so imo is better.

Don't really know anything about his acting or comedy, so it hasn't really hindered my opinion of him as a rapper. Still think he ain't that great.

conor.hogan.2

His Comedy and Acting is good too and it stopped me taking him serious for ages until I listened to Camp.

Schoolboy Q better than Ab Soul and Kendrick?

floggg

mufcboy1999 wrote: »

Schoolboy Q is the hottest rapper in the game at this very moment.

He ain't even the hottest in his crew

LUPE

P4DDY2K11 wrote: »

Late Registration is better than the majority of hip hop albums that came out in the 00s

Not really an unpopular opinion is it?

Bobby Baccala

LUPE wrote: »

Not really an unpopular opinion is it?

There's a few kanye bashers here and it's not one of those albums you hear mentioned when people name the best of the 00s, you'll always hear the likes of the documentary and the massacre and the mmlp and the eminem show being mentioned way before late registration gets a mention.

mufcboy1999

floggg wrote: »

He ain't even the hottest in his crew

have you been listening to him lately? he's sh*tting all over them including lamar.

floggg

mufcboy1999 wrote: »

floggg wrote: »

He ain't even the hottest in his crew

have you been listening to him lately? he's sh*tting all over them including lamar.

Yea, I have. Habits and contradictions was a good album but not great. It was weaker than Ab-Soul's Control Theory and not a patch on Section.80.

He's good and I like him, but there's way better out there. And Kendrick outshines him on every track they are on together.

Talib Fiasco

mufcboy1999 wrote: »

Schoolboy Q is the hottest rapper in the game at this very moment.

Gangsta Gibbs baby?!!

Jimmy Iovine

TheComeUp wrote: »

Gangsta Gibbs baby?!!

He's definitely up there. He's only been on a few songs this year but he nailed all of them. In the last two weeks he's been on two class songs. The one with Domo Genesis and Alchemist is brilliant. He's also on one with Gotham Green and Quickie Mart called "All I Know". Released last week and great as always.

"Shame" and "Thuggin'" have shown that MadGibbs' album could be the best album of the year. They are two unbelievable songs. Shame is a song of the year contender for me. If they carry that form over to the album then it'll be mind-blowingly good.

Madlib is a genius. Gangsta Gibbs is a genius. All is good in the hood .

Seaneh

Freddie Gibbs for me.

The MadGibbs album is a classic.

mufcboy1999

floggg wrote: »

Yea, I have. Habits and contradictions was a good album but not great. It was weaker than Ab-Soul's Control Theory and not a patch on Section.80.

He's good and I like him, but there's way better out there. And Kendrick outshines him on every track they are on together.

that was way back in January though, im on about right now at this present moment... Ab soul's control theory imo is the worst album to come out of the black hippy camp so far tbh even jay rocks was a bit of a let down too.

agree with lamar outshining him but in all the 2 of them are a great combo, have made some excellent songs together but like I said at this present moment I think Q has the edge, his delivery is top drawer and he's recently killed both 50 and banks on there mixtape songs.

@TheComeup... on gibbs , iv just gone lazy with him. Use to be a huge fan and still am of his older stuff like national anthem or ghetto but since he moved to young jeezys label iv after slacking with him big time. I heard one or two songs with jeezy and that was it for me, jeezys horrible and imo it isnt a good move.

Bobby Baccala

RZA > Dr Dre.

mufcboy1999

After recent light of dre's production technique I.e he has an actual production team I have to agree. But....

J Dilla > RZA

Jimmy Iovine

mufcboy1999 wrote: »

@TheComeup... on gibbs , iv just gone lazy with him. Use to be a huge fan and still am of his older stuff like national anthem or ghetto but since he moved to young jeezys label iv after slacking with him big time. I heard one or two songs with jeezy and that was it for me, jeezys horrible and imo it isnt a good move.

Ignore his stuff with Jeezy and listen to his work with Madlib. It's brilliant. Also that song with Domo is great as well.

Bobby Baccala

mufcboy1999 wrote: »

After recent light of dre's production technique I.e he has an actual production team I have to agree. But....

If you think about it what Dre is doing is very similar to what Dj Khaled does.

Gimme this beat, let me do this, this and this to it, give it to this person over here and then slap my name all over their album.

floggg

mufcboy1999 wrote: »

floggg wrote: »

Yea, I have. Habits and contradictions was a good album but not great. It was weaker than Ab-Soul's Control Theory and not a patch on Section.80.

He's good and I like him, but there's way better out there. And Kendrick outshines him on every track they are on together.

that was way back in January though, im on about right now at this present moment... Ab soul's control theory imo is the worst album to come out of the black hippy camp so far tbh even jay rocks was a bit of a let down too.

agree with lamar outshining him but in all the 2 of them are a great combo, have made some excellent songs together but like I said at this present moment I think Q has the edge, his delivery is top drawer and he's recently killed both 50 and banks on there mixtape songs.

Given your views on Ab-Soul's album, we clearly have different tastes. I thought Control System was much better than Habits and Contradictions (which was still a good album)!

I haven't heard either of the 50 Cent or Banks songs but if killing two now more or less washed up rappers who weren't exactly Top 5 material even at their peak on a song (on a mixtape no less) is an indicator of "hotness" then I can only conclude he's just above room temperature!

Again, I like him (hands on the wheel is one of the best songs this year) but he's not spectacular.

Kendrick is probably the most promising rapper out there at the minute. He has a unique style and delivery, makes good music and has something to say other than the usual rap cliches.

Looking forward to his album and also to a Black Hippy album sometime too. They are the most talented group out at the minute (think they have more originality and substance than Slaughterhouse) - though I think Jay Rock seems the weakest out the crew.

Another opinion that I know will be controversial - Cam'ron's verse on The Clipse's "Popular Demand" was dope as ****!

Seaneh

mufcboy1999 wrote: »

After recent light of dre's production technique I.e he has an actual production team I have to agree. But....

J Dilla > RZA

Dilla > everybody.

conor.hogan.2

Dre deserves the respect he gets.

P4DDY2K11 wrote: »

If you think about it what Dre is doing is very similar to what Dj Khaled does.

Gimme this beat, let me do this, this and this to it, give it to this person over here and then slap my name all over their album.

No it is not.

Dre only gets prod credit on songs he produced and he "slaps his name" only on his artists, you know the ones he signs then mentors and blows up. He makes beats, produces and his a record exec (essentially) and all 3 of those are different things.

Da Shins Kelly

I think Dre definitely deserves respect, and I don't think that he's like some kinda "fake" producer or something like that, but I definitely prefer RZA as a producer.

mufcboy1999

Given your views on Ab-Soul's album, we clearly have different tastes. I thought Control System was much better than Habits and Contradictions (which was still a good album)!

I cant even call control system good, its just not my cup of tea at all but dont get me wrong i still like ab soul and some of his work prior to the album.

I haven't heard either of the 50 Cent or Banks songs but if killing two now more or less washed up rappers who weren't exactly Top 5 material even at their peak on a song (on a mixtape no less) is an indicator of "hotness" then I can only conclude he's just above room temperature!

well i dont think you can call them washed up, you just dont pay attention to their music if you did you'd relies their far from washed up especcally 50 the man had mixtape songs making the billboard chart a few months back. I hope your aware section 80 was released as a mixtape first? please do not underestimate the mixtape scene, many a buzz and career has been built in recent years via mixtapes.

Again, I like him (hands on the wheel is one of the best songs this year) but he's not spectacular.

Behind KL he's the best out of black hippy and tbh the whole of LA in terms of new talent imo.

Kendrick is probably the most promising rapper out there at the minute. He has a unique style and delivery, makes good music and has something to say other than the usual rap cliches.

Iv been listening to black hippy and kendrick for years now, I was one of the first here to start talking about him before the section 80 buzz. Id agree with the above but all im saying is at this very moment Q has the edge over him in terms of the material that both have released in recent weeks/months. Im not for 1 minute saying Q is better than lamar overall because he's not, lamar is probably my favorite rapper and has been for a while now tbh and is a lot better than Q.

Looking forward to his album and also to a Black Hippy album sometime too. They are the most talented group out at the minute (think they have more originality and substance than Slaughterhouse) - though I think Jay Rock seems the weakest out the crew.

Id agree and after KL's album i expect a black hippy album to follow his buzz. I havnt got excited this much about a group since g unit (you might not like them, I did), I like slaughterhouse a lot but they just dont appeal to me as much as previous groups in saying that im liking what iv heard so far from their new album.

Hard to believe jay rock was the original frontman of black hippy, lamar just stole the spotlight from him and rightfully so. I like jay rock tbh i think ab soul is but like you said difference of opinions.

Another opinion that I know will be controversial - Cam'ron's verse on The Clipse's "Popular Demand" was dope as ****!

ah man would you belive that is one of my most hated verses/features of all time, im sorry i think he was just terrible on it and nearly ruined the whole song!. Now cam is what you'd call a washed up rapper and this is coming from a big dipset fan.

Seaneh

conor.hogan.2 wrote: »

Dre deserves the respect he gets.



No it is not.

Dre only gets prod credit on songs he produced and he "slaps his name" only on his artists, you know the ones he signs then mentors and blows up. He makes beats, produces and his a record exec (essentially) and all 3 of those are different things.

There have been a lot of ex-employees of Dre who have either straight out said that dre just put his name on their beats or at least hinted at it.

floggg

I don't care how Section.80 started, it was a great album.

The word mixtape has lost all meaning these days tho. A lot of mixtapes are really free albums these days, especially from new artists trying to build a buzz.

I wouldn't really care how 50 Cent or Banks released a project - unless they actually came with something new or original I wouldn't care.

Get Rich or Die Trying was great, but ever since he's just regurgitating the same formula and rehashing the same topics.

His hasn't released anything fresh or exciting since the documentary. So yea, he's pretty washed up to me.

And bar Beamer, Benz or Bentley what exactly has Lloyd Banks done in the last 5 or 6 years?

Jimmy Iovine

floggg wrote: »

And bar Beamer, Benz or Bentley what exactly has Lloyd Banks done in the last 5 or 6 years?

He lost one of his albums after having a threesome a few years back. For that I will forever hold him in the highest regard.

There's truth to that rumor. That comes from me doing too much. I was just lost in my ways, ****ed two women at one time. It's the little things you don't pay attention to. I had the CD in an actual [DJ] Whoo Kid mixtape cover. It was just a blank CD with just tracks. I got over 70, 80 tracks, so you can't get them all on one CD. So I might have had 14 tracks of the last two weeks or something like that.

Next thing I know, can't find the CD. I'm assuming it had to be from one of those situations when you got too much going on around you. Maybe I'mma just stick to one girl from now on. That's the only explanation that makes sense. Sticky fingers.

Stick to one girl? I'm lucky if I manage to even get one girl never mind having to settle for ONLY one.

The 'sticky fingers' quote at the end is priceless as well.

mufcboy1999

floggg wrote: »

I don't care how Section.80 started, it was a great album.

The word mixtape has lost all meaning these days tho. A lot of mixtapes are really free albums these days, especially from new artists trying to build a buzz.

I wouldn't really care how 50 Cent or Banks released a project - unless they actually came with something new or original I wouldn't care.

Get Rich or Die Trying was great, but ever since he's just regurgitating the same formula and rehashing the same topics.

His hasn't released anything fresh or exciting since the documentary. So yea, he's pretty washed up to me.

And bar Beamer, Benz or Bentley what exactly has Lloyd Banks done in the last 5 or 6 years?

Yes we all know it was a great album but none the less it was originally a mixtape and artists are getting big money deals via the mixtape scene in which 50 cent made the formula for back in the early 00s I.e song format the result was a 1 million dollar aftermath deal through the buzz he created with them, j cole , krit, Lamar, yelawolf etc erc all followed suit and built their buzz via mixtapes.

Tell me what gangsta rapper doesn't have repetitive lryics ? They all do, there's only so much they can really rap about without Staying true to that genre. They don't have much room to manuvure in terms of creativity but Id agree 50 does need to find some new substance hopefully this street king venture could assist him.

Lloyd banks is an Indie artist man who is arguably one of the best mixtape artists around. Like I said if you payed attention to his music you'd know this but your clearly not a fan. He released HFM2 which was pretty good, The original hunger for more album his debut is a great album but in fairness rotten apple was bad but as you know you can't get it right every time.

Kanye west called banks the most under rated mc in hip hop aswell as saying hes in the top 5 last year. He was nearly on MBDTF but instead featured on one of the good Friday tracks. He's still only 27 or something, his first 2 albums he was only a kid at 19 and early 20s.

The term washed up is fairly strong , nas didn't realise a good album in 10 years before life was good , would you deem him washed up?

iomega

Prefuse 73 is more talented than any the big name hip hop producers.

Father Damo

Nicki Minaj is not that bad.


Like, I wouldnt be bothered downloading her stuff to the iPod or anything, but I wouldnt run to turn off the radio the same way I would for most of the charting rappers these days (Flo Rida, new Nelly stuff., Professor Green.....Andre 3000 ). Most of todays chart rap is completely unlistenable.

Bobby Baccala

Father Damo wrote: »

Nicki Minaj is not that bad.


Like, I wouldnt be bothered downloading her stuff to the iPod or anything, but I wouldnt run to turn off the radio the same way I would for most of the charting rappers these days (Flo Rida, new Nelly stuff., Professor Green.....Andre 3000 ). Most of todays chart rap is completely unlistenable.

When is the last time Nelly made it into the charts over here? Or Andre 3000?

Father Damo

P4DDY2K11 wrote: »

When is the last time Nelly made it into the charts over here? Or Andre 3000?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iW1W34A-n4I

Until very recently this rubbish was on ad nauseaum chart countdowns on radio here. Drove me fcuking mental.

Some looking poon in the vid mind.

Da Shins Kelly

Father Damo wrote: »

Nicki Minaj is not that bad.


Like, I wouldnt be bothered downloading her stuff to the iPod or anything, but I wouldnt run to turn off the radio the same way I would for most of the charting rappers these days (Flo Rida, new Nelly stuff., Professor Green.....Andre 3000 ). Most of todays chart rap is completely unlistenable.

This is what's wrong with the world. People trashing genuinely talented musicians like Andre 3000, and then saying that hacks like Nicki Minaj are "not that bad". Sorry, but she is that bad.

LUPE

Da Shins Kelly wrote: »

This is what's wrong with the world. People trashing genuinely talented musicians like Andre 3000, and then saying that hacks like Nicki Minaj are "not that bad". Sorry, but she is that bad.

I'm pretty sure he wasn't even trying to fish with the Andre reference so obvious was it, but this is one of the biggest bites I've ever seen :eek:

mufcboy1999

Speaking of biting the bait and all that, what's with the bucket loads of p*ss taking posters here on the forum in recent months?

Father Damo

Da Shins Kelly wrote: »

This is what's wrong with the world. People trashing genuinely talented musicians like Andre 3000, and then saying that hacks like Nicki Minaj are "not that bad". Sorry, but she is that bad.

Please define to me how one of her chart hits has less artistic merit than cheese like, for example, Hey Ya. It is the same basic hip hop pop ballpark.

I probably should not say he is untalented. He can be if he wants to be. He proved that on the first album. But personally I am of the opinion that pretty much everything he has done since then is fcuking atrocious, and his constant critical acclaim is nothing short of baffling- it is actually impossible for the guy to get a bad review. I think part of the infallibility factor comes from his reputation as one of the more quirky left of field characters in hip hop- if the likes of Jay Z or Nas put out material with the same lyrics and production as he has in the last decade they would be rightly mauled for it. His lyrics are childish, and his attempts at r
&b singing are like something from the early rounds of a Simon Cowell audition.

But because he dresses like Russell Brand and does not do the whole gangster thing it makes him more avant garde and unique in the eyes of the press. I just wish one reviewer would shout it out and say it straight, that he is sh1t, and so are the handful of Atlanta acts clearly influenced by him (Cee Lo Green and one or two others). If people want to put their head in the sand and pretend that what they are listening to by him actually is better than Chingy and J Kwon because he is a dappy dresser and doesnt go around claiming he used to be a murderous drug lord, that is their perogative.

Bobby Baccala

Father Damo wrote: »

Please define to me how one of her chart hits has less artistic merit than cheese like, for example, Hey Ya. It is the same basic hip hop pop ballpark.

She cant play any instruments, Andre can.

She cant produce a track/make the beat, Andre can.

She cant sing, Andre can.

She can barely rap, Andre can, with great skill.

She cant do anything without autotune, Andre can rap and sing without autotune.

Father Damo

P4DDY2K11 wrote: »

She cant play any instruments, Andre can.

Fair enough.

She cant produce a track/make the beat, Andre can.

So can Skrillex. So can quite a few other mediocre producers. Andres recent beats are largely woeful.

She cant sing, Andre can.

No, he cant.

She can barely rap, Andre can, with great skill.

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"I wanna stannnkkk you"

"Shake it! Shake it like a polaroid picture!"

Genius stuff right there :pac: If you want to listen to sh1te like that and claim it is innovative or whatever its up to you.

Bobby Baccala

So can Skrillex. So can quite a few other mediocre producers. Andres recent beats are largely woeful.

Bollocks to that, Skrillex is a commercial dubstep muppet, not a hip hop producer like Andre is at times, this is like comparing Tiesto and Dr Dre.

No, he cant.

He can sing, that's a solid fact, why would he make an album based around his singing if he cant?

"I wanna stannnkkk you"

"Shake it! Shake it like a polaroid picture!"

I said he can rap, and you pick two lines from songs he doesnt rap in at all, go off and listen to A Life in the Day of Benjamin Andre then try and tell me he cant rap.

If you want to listen to sh1te like that and claim it is innovative or whatever its up to you.

Shíte like that? Tell me why arguably the best lyricist to come out of the past 15 years, Eminem, rates Andre among the greatest? Tell me why countless critics have raved about andre's music for the past 20 or so years. Nothing he has made is shít, like i've said, everything he does musically contains a certain amount of talent.

It's clear you're either taking the piss or just plain ignorant.

Boom_Bap

Father Damo and Paddy2K11 - Can you both please accept that you have different opinions on Andre3000 and Nikki Minaj. Let's not bog this thread down any further with this back and forth.

Father Damo

P4DDY2K11 wrote: »

Bollocks to that, Skrillex is a commercial dubstep muppet, not a hip hop producer like Andre is at times, this is like comparing Tiesto and Dr Dre.

In the early half of the last decade Outkast were massively commercially successful. They are hardly alternative.

He can sing, that's a solid fact, why would he make an album based around his singing if he cant?

Because it never stopped a multitude of artists that preceded and followed him. Because the music press would give an album of him blowing out the remnants of last nights kebab five stars.

I said he can rap, and you pick two lines from songs he doesnt rap in at all, go off and listen to A Life in the Day of Benjamin Andre then try and tell me he cant rap.

He can rap. The first album was brilliant. 99% of what followed is appalingly meh.

Shíte like that? Tell me why arguably the best lyricist to come out of the past 15 years, Eminem, rates Andre among the greatest?

Good for him. This would be the same Eminem who appeared on about a half dozen albums with Bizarre from D12? (although largely talentless I have to be honest in all truth, Bizarre is one funny bastard :pac:) Everyone is entitled to their opinions but Eminem has done some questionable collabos over the years.

Tell me why countless critics have raved about andre's music for the past 20 or so years.

Because he is a quirky vegatarian avant garde fashion icon who goes against the established norms of hip hop attitudes to guns, women, drugs and fashion. He is certainly unique, but unique does not mean great.

Nothing he has made is shít, .

If you are denying that the likes of Prototype and Hey Ya are sh1t, I have nothing further to say :rolleyes:

Father Damo

Boom_Bap wrote: »

Father Damo and Paddy2K11 - Can you both please accept that you have different opinions on Andre3000 and Nikki Minaj. Let's not bog this thread down any further with this back and forth.

Fair enough.

For the record I am not even at all a fan of Minaj, as said I wouldnt be remotely arsed downloading/ looking up her stuff. I merely said that compared to Pitbull, Flo Rida, Black Eyed Peas all the current chart muppets, I would not say she is all that awful in comparison, despite the stick received.

floggg

She's not my cup of tea, and she's pop as hell but lets get one thing clear - Monster proved Nicki can rap rather well if she wants to.

It's just she'd rather make pop songs.

Rjd2

floggg wrote: »

She's not my cup of tea, and she's pop as hell but lets get one thing clear - Monster proved Nicki can rap rather well if she wants to.

It's just she'd rather make pop songs.

Really bad pop songs as well.