Donegal vs. Kerry All Ireland SFC Quarter Final

K-9

passremarkable wrote: »

kerry by 3/4..deccie, darran too strong..donegal wil have a chance if they leave murphy closer to goals and support mcfadden!
if they play too negatively in croker kerry will slot points from all angles!!

Kerry will need to pass at pace and not get caught in possession. Saying kicking long range points is easy but when you've 13/14 players back in one half of the pitch any dithering will get punished, not just by losing the ball, but by a swift counter attack punishing you for losing it, it's how Donegal pulverise and mentally demolish teams in the second half. They'll need to be very accurate with the long range kicking under intense pressure.

When Kerry are getting points from all angles well I don't think anybody can live with them, fortunately that isn't a common occurrence, even for Kerry!

Fr Tod Umptious

deccurley wrote: »

Extra time is playable according to my tickets

It was clarified in the Irish Independent, would post the link only I am on the phone

sheao

Could be the best game of the quarter finals in my opinion.

Neeson

sheao wrote: »

Could be the best game of the quarter finals in my opinion.

That wouldn't be an unpopular opinion. I think the whole country thinks this except Ryle Nugent and the RTÉ programming department!

Fr Tod Umptious

Neeson wrote: »

That wouldn't be an unpopular opinion. I think the whole country thinks this except Ryle Nugent and the RTÉ programming department!

Well what looks to be the best game on paper does not mean that it will be the best spectacle or audience puller.

I hate using soccer analogies for GAA but here goes this once.

Barcelona v B Munich and Man Utd v Apole Nicosa are both playing in CL on a Wednesday night.

Who does RTE or TV3 show

Man Utd v Apole Nicosa of course because there are far more Man Utd fans in the country that would tune in to watch their team than there are people in interested in watching Barcelona v B Munich

Sunnyisland

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Well what looks to be the best game on paper does not mean that it will be the best spectacle or audience puller.

I hate using soccer analogies for GAA but here goes this once.

Barcelona v B Munich and Man Utd v Apoel Nicosia are both playing in CL on a Wednesday night.

Who does RTE or TV3 show

Man Utd v Apoel Nicosia of course because there are far more Man Utd fans in the country that would tune in to watch their team than there are people in interested in watching Barcelona v B Munich

Your correct in business/viewing terms, But for the game itself the Donegal/Kerry match is the one to watch, You only have to look at the amount of posts here to see the Interest in it,Sure you wouldn't even know Dublin/laois were playing the same weekend.:)

DoctaDee

sheao wrote: »

Could be the best game of the quarter finals in my opinion.

Mmmmm ... dunno, personally I would've had it as the curtain raiser to Cork/Kildare

donegal.

SomethingElse

Let's hope Donegal don't freeze on the day!

Felexicon

DoctaDee wrote: »

Mmmmm ... dunno, personally I would've had it as the curtain raiser to Cork/Kildare

Nah. This is the main game of the weekend. It's the complete contrast in styles that has people looking forward to it.
Cork vs Kildare has a huge chance of turning into a one way demolition by Cork, and if that happens most neutrals will switch off

blackbelt

Felexicon wrote: »

Nah. This is the main game of the weekend. It's the complete contrast in styles that has people looking forward to it.
Cork vs Kildare has a huge chance of turning into a one way demolition by Cork, and if that happens most neutrals will switch off

I certainly wouldn't switch off.If Kildare get hammered, I really do think it is the end of McGeeney's reign as Kildare manager.

ShamoBuc

Not sure why people are talking about a possible hammering - Cork should win, but I very much doubt it will be a hammering.

DoctaDee

Felexicon wrote: »

Nah. This is the main game of the weekend. It's the complete contrast in styles that has people looking forward to it.
Cork vs Kildare has a huge chance of turning into a one way demolition by Cork, and if that happens most neutrals will switch off

Ah yeah Felex I can see yer point, but the crowd and atmosphere will be in the Cork/Kildare game. I have a feeling that there's gonna be an antidote required after this game, and whatever the relative merits of Kildare/Cork it's not stretching it to assume the better football will be played in it.

curry-muff

Words from both managers in the donegal now article:

While others might view Kerry as the ‘Draw from Hell’ Jim McGuinness says his players “are looking forward to it”.
The Glenties man and his number two Rory Gallagher will this week pit their tactical wits against one of the very best in the business, the Kingdom’s three-time All-Ireland winning supremo, Jack O'Connor.
And you can bet that all three men will burn the midnight oil as the plotting begins ahead of Sunday huge clash.
"It's the type of draw players in the squad would've been looking forward to their whole careers," McGuinness said. "Kerry in Croke Park in the championship is something that has never happened before and it's something we can look forward to.
"Kerry have huge pedigree and will be very hard to beat.
"It's a great draw for the supporters and I would feel myself it's a great draw for the players, as it's something they've never experienced before in championship. “It’s obviously a very tough game for us but it would’ve been the same if it was Kildare or Laois.
“We knew it was only one from three and we’d a fair idea it would’ve been them so it’s just another team we have to play. It’s just a matter of trying to get to grips with it and get our plans in place and travel there with a bit of confidence.
“We’ll not get too hung up on who we have to play. It’s about ourselves and getting our own performance right as usual. Kerry have huge pedigree and will be very hard to beat.”
O'Connor, erred on the side of caution and admits he doesn’t know what Donegal will show up at Jones Road this weekend, the one that hit 2-18 in the Ulster final, or the one that nearly grinded Dublin to hault at last year’s semi-final juncture.
"These Donegal fellas have pushed back the frontiers in terms of fitness and tackling and getting a great defensive system," the Kerry boss said.
"It'll be a huge challenge for us to break that down. We're not expecting a pile of pretty football in Croke Park.
"I was in Croke Park last year (for Donegal/Dublin) and it was Gaelic football as we've never seen it before. And that's a massive challenge for us as coaches and players and management to break it down," O'Connor added.
"Jim McGuinness has a fantastic system going for them and they've improved from last year when they were only a kick of a ball from getting to a final. It's going to be a huge test.
“The stats will tell you that Donegal are scoring more this year and you can see what Jim is doing. He set his stall out last and got a defensive system going that and saw where that took him – and it nearly took him to an All-Ireland final.
“They’ve probably tweaked their system a bit this year and they’re certainly racking up big scores. So we know they’re going to be a very tough nut to crack. O course we’ll look at them (this week).
Our fellas are going to have to be patient and they don’t want a rush of blood to the head if they see a wall in front of them. We’ll need to rotate the ball quickly. We are well aware of what Donegal are capable of.
“They have some great forwards. Young Patrick McBrearty id a very strong lad and a great footballer. Colm McFadden has been a top class forward for years in Michael Murphy is arguably the best number 14 in the country so we’re well aware of that they have.
“It’s going to be interesting. We’re in good shape but this is a couple of notches up from what we’ve been doing up until now. We know Donegal will make it incredibly hard to quality ball in, but we’ve good kickers and there’s a lot of space in Croke Park so hopefully we’ll be able to get a bit of ball in.”

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Roger Sterling

Can't wait to see this unfold on Sunday. Think it'll be a real chess match. I'm slightly leaning towards Kerry but wouldn't bet a cent on it tbh, real 50-50 game. Will be fascinating if Kerry can find the key to unlock the Donegal backline. I think they have the forwards to do it. Hopefully Donegal don't revert back to last years Croke Park tactics, they've looked a far better outfit this year allowing players to break forward more readily.

baznoto

hey lads just a quick thought on sunday , alot of kerry folk under the impression kerry forwards will be popping the ball over the bar from 40 yards out there or there abouts in an effort to try and beat the blanket defence , its easy to say this and possibly kerry are one of the few teams if not the only team in the country capable of doing this but donegal are a well oiled machine and tackle forociously around this area of the field , for kerry to do this they will need a little time and space on the ball and i cant see this happening too much but that said , jack o connor is a very shrude manager and a little birdie told me he has something up his sleeve for sunday so if donaghy on song , the kingdom by 3 to 4 , facinating match up and great championship this year .

keane2097

Yeah I don't buy this idea that they're vulnerable to kicking from distance unless you're talking about kicking practically from midfield. They way to get at Donegal seems to be to run the ball at them but transferring it quickly to off the shoulder runners rather than taking the ball into contact. Either that or good ball into the FF forward line as we've seen the Donegal FB line struggle to deal with that a fair bit.

Same As

baznoto wrote: »

a little birdie told me he has something up his sleeve for sunday

What could he possibly have up his sleeve? Tadgh Kenneally & Tommy Walsh back from Oz to rough 'em up?!:rolleyes: As much as I hope he does, its false hope and a sweeping statement if ever I've heard one.

We have a very inexperienced bench with the exception of Darran and a 'beyond sell-by date' Scanlon, so nothing is going to be a bolt from the blue from there, and have limited talent (in comparison to previous years) coming through on our so-called 'conveyor belt' from under-age level.

Reckon whatever little birdy told you Jack has something up his sleeve is for the birds themselves!

doc_17

The intriguing thIng about this fixture is that Kerry have 6 forwards that need marking. Donegal haven't faced that yet, not even Dublin last year had 6 men that had to be marked

ShamoBuc

doc_17 wrote: »

The intriguing thIng about this fixture is that Kerry have 6 forwards that need marking. Donegal haven't faced that yet, not even Dublin last year had 6 men that had to be marked

But they'll have 10 or 11 players to do it!

keane2097

Kerry's biggest problem is going to be dealing with counterattacking from the likes of Lacey and McGlynn, be interesting to see who tracks them.

Also be interested to see who they put on Michael Murphy because whoever it is will end up spending a lot of time out towards the middle. Would love it to be Marc because he's so good on the ball and attacking but maybe would leave us a little vulnerable in the FB line.

DDC1990

I think Enright will go on McBrierty, Marc on Murphy, AOM on McFadden.

McFadden hopefully will suit O'Mahoney down to the ground. A physical guy, who's not to quick, who likes having space to shoot. Mahoney will stick to him like shíte on a shoe. Class players always find a way though.

doc_17

I think Murphy will play close the Kerry goal. His strength in the air will be a problem. He usually has 2 men marking him so it'll be interesting to see of Kerry go that way. But then again they are purists aren't they and will hate playing a sweeper! Or so you would think.....if you were naive

baznoto

Same As wrote: »

What could he possibly have up his sleeve? Tadgh Kenneally & Tommy Walsh back from Oz to rough 'em up?!:rolleyes: As much as I hope he does, its false hope and a sweeping statement if ever I've heard one.

We have a very inexperienced bench with the exception of Darran and a 'beyond sell-by date' Scanlon, so nothing is going to be a bolt from the blue from there, and have limited talent (in comparison to previous years) coming through on our so-called 'conveyor belt' from under-age level.

Reckon whatever little birdy told you Jack has something up his sleeve is for the birds themselves!

yes , sweeping statment fair enough but what i mean is a tactical switch early on to shake things up a little , something lets say like moving donaghy out around the centre with decaln o sullivan in full , , o sullivan is one of my all time favorites but his long solo runs breaking tackles deep into the heart of defences are tailor made for donegal , let donaghy throw his weigth around the middle and early low ball into o sullivan ,

Stoner

doc_17 wrote: »

I think Murphy will play close the Kerry goal. His strength in the air will be a problem. He usually has 2 men marking him so it'll be interesting to see of Kerry go that way. But then again they are purists aren't they and will hate playing a sweeper! Or so you would think.....if you were naive

I don't know if he will or not. For me the best thing about him is not his goal threat or ability to score points from difficult angles, I'm not sure that he is fantastic at that or not, I think he will be involved very quickly from the kick outs as he can carry the ball so well and he can kick scores from distance too. I've heard him being called a one trick pony by the press, but it's one hell of a trick to win a ball in the air and burst through three or four guys and put it over the bar or lay it off time and time again in a game. I'd like that pony on my team.

curry-muff

I'd have to agree, there's no hope we will play Murphy high up the forward line, when's the last time you've seen him used like that?

Murphys forte is winning the ball in the air and carrying it before creating chances for Mc Fadden and Mc Brearty. He will line out as #14 but will be utilized as a 3rd midfielder, a playmaker essentially.

Same As

baznoto wrote: »

yes , sweeping statment fair enough but what i mean is a tactical switch early on to shake things up a little , something lets say like moving donaghy out around the centre with decaln o sullivan in full , , o sullivan is one of my all time favorites but his long solo runs breaking tackles deep into the heart of defences are tailor made for donegal , let donaghy throw his weigth around the middle and early low ball into o sullivan ,

Thanks for the clarification!

Dunno about Donaghy moving out the park, I know they used this tactic to good effect during the league campaign, and it very well could be potentially put to use against Donegal given their difference to previous opponents.

Ploughing the long ball in on top of Donaghy may be the only resort given the difficulty Kerry, (similar to Cavan, Tyrone, Derry & Down so far this year taking into account the apparent inferiority of their forward lines when compared to the Kerry 6) are likely to encounter penetrating the Donegal backline.

I'm of the opinion Donaghy will play close to the Donegal goal from the outset, and perhaps moving to the roving role if Kerry meet with the anticipated difficulty in breaking through the Donegal rearguard in order to create space for O'Donoghue and Gooch in the inside line. Need to bare in mind that Donegal have conceded only one goal in this years championship, perhaps the high ball tactic that has been so fruitful to Kerry in the past (albeit not used to effect recently) may be seen again on Sunday and could well be the key.

Could try and dissect it all day - The tactics alone on Sunday are an enthralling prospect!

Same As

curry-muff wrote: »

Murphys forte is winning the ball in the air and carrying it before creating chances for Mc Fadden and Mc Brearty. He will line out as #14 but will be utilized as a 3rd midfielder, a playmaker essentially.

Agreed here, reckon Murphy will play the same role he has been for the last number of matches and act as the third midfielder. More than capable in this role, excellent ball carrier and fine distribution, and his once questioned fitness seems to have improved markedly. Intriguing to try and figure out who Kerry are going to bring out to him.

baznoto

Same As wrote: »

Thanks for the clarification!



Could try and dissect it all day - The tactics alone on Sunday are an enthralling prospect!

spot on my friend , cant wait for this , id bring my football boots to croker sunday to give the boys a hand myself if it wasnt for my gammy knee , bad ankle, and sheer lack of footballing ability , plus the fact i plan on sinking a few cold ones in o sheas before hand , but theres always next year

los cules

looking forward to a great day in croke park , 3 games to enjoy , im tipping kerry minor and senior wins and kildare to pip cork , roll on sunday !

K-9

curry-muff wrote: »

I'd have to agree, there's no hope we will play Murphy high up the forward line, when's the last time you've seen him used like that?

Murphys forte is winning the ball in the air and carrying it before creating chances for Mc Fadden and Mc Brearty. He will line out as #14 but will be utilized as a 3rd midfielder, a playmaker essentially.

If Gallagher isn't playing you'll see Murphy between midfield and half forward to help out, I'd say. Maybe a bit more forward if we are getting the breaking ball. Murphy will also track O'Se or whoever is marking him if he loses the ball.

Just An Opinion

Tie of the weekend but I feel Kerry will really be too cute and crafty for Donegal. While Donegal are certainly going in the right direction fast and won't let Kerry have it all their own way by any means, I think the kingdom in Croke Park on the August bank holiday weekend with form under question.....more often than not they produce a ruthless answer!

Kerry by a hard earned but convincing 3

Enjoy!

jimmy the car

At this stage I just want it to be on now, every post I read gets the nerves up more and more, one second it's Kerry by one or two then it's Donegal...Why can they not play the game on a Thursday evening instead of a Sunday! (to clarify I'm tippping Donegal by 2 - Mark McHugh to score in 69 min and put 15 behind the ball then!;) )

doc_17

curry-muff wrote: »

I'd have to agree, there's no hope we will play Murphy high up the forward line, when's the last time you've seen him used like that?

Murphys forte is winning the ball in the air and carrying it before creating chances for Mc Fadden and Mc Brearty. He will line out as #14 but will be utilized as a 3rd midfielder, a playmaker essentially.

He played there for significant periods during the Ulster Final, so what's that? 2 weeks ago...

I think he will drift all over the shop to be honest. But if I thought Kerry would leave one man on him I'd pop him on the edge of the square and drop it into him all day long. but nobody in their right mind would allow that to happen. So it'll be interesting to see Kerry use their sweeper system!

Ceist_Beag

doc_17 wrote: »

He played there for significant periods during the Ulster Final, so what's that? 2 weeks ago...

I think he will drift all over the shop to be honest. But if I thought Kerry would leave one man on him I'd pop him on the edge of the square and drop it into him all day long. but nobody in their right mind would allow that to happen. So it'll be interesting to see Kerry use their sweeper system!

+1 doc - he hasn't played in the one spot all thru the championship, he has been roving around between midfield at times, half forward at times, full forward at times. As have others, there has been a lot of rotation in the forward line during games so it will be interesting to see whether Kerry go man for man or stick to their positions.

curry-muff

doc_17 wrote: »

He played there for significant periods during the Ulster Final, so what's that? 2 weeks ago...

I think he will drift all over the shop to be honest. But if I thought Kerry would leave one man on him I'd pop him on the edge of the square and drop it into him all day long. but nobody in their right mind would allow that to happen. So it'll be interesting to see Kerry use their sweeper system!

No he didn't, he floated around the half forward line, not sure where you're getting these 'significant periods' from.

doc_17

curry-muff wrote: »

No he didn't, he floated around the half forward line, not sure where you're getting these 'significant periods' from.

Well iwas at the game, sky+ and just had another wee look at it there just to make sure I wasn't dreaming and lo and behold Murphy played the forst 30 mins at FF, the last 6 or 7 of the 1st half a bit further out and he played the first 20 mins of the 2nd half at FF before moving out a bit after Bradley went off injured.

That's a significant period of time. Maybe, due to the way Donegal play, he might not have looked like he was on the edge of the square but him and McFadden were the furthest up the field.

If anyone has any doubt watch the match again.

That is Murphy's strength anyway. he can play anywhere from FF to midfield at his ease.

teednab-el

I for one know Kerry are a good team, but I can't get over some of the Kerry cockiness on here saying they will destroy Donegal. For that reason alone, I hope Donegal throw a spanner into the works and spoil the Kerry party and bring them back a peg or two. Of course if it does happen posters like stinicker won't be seen on here for months like last year when Dublin won.

DDC1990

Are you really classing Stinickers opinion as a general Kerry opinion?
He's is the most over the top, cocky arrogent poster here, and he does it to get a reaction.

The actual mood in Kerry is somber, without being fearful. We know what sort of challenge lies ahead, and are in no way cocky. In fact the Donegal fans that I know, are far more cocky. They really think that this is their year, not only to beat Kerry but win the All Ireland.

There is no Kerry party to spoil, and we certainly don't need to be taken down a peg or two. We know we can win this game, we have on our day the best team in Ireland. But you need more then good individuals, to beat the best teams in Ireland, because they also have class players. It wont be a shock or a surprise if Donegal beat us on Sunday.

This game will come down to a battle of wits between Jack O'Connor and Jimmy McGuinness. It will be fascinating. But don't mistake the Kerry mood as being anything near cockyness, by listening to Stinicker.

Ceist_Beag

In the same vein DDC don't for a second think that most Donegal fans believe this is their year! I think there is general optimism going into Sundays match but most fans aren't looking beyond that. For me Cork are the favourites this year with Kerry, Dublin and Donegal having very little between them. Mayo are also not to be dismissed, they should get past Down and are capable of beating Dublin if it comes to that. I wouldn't give Kildare, Down or Laois much of a look in beyond the quarter finals.

Fr Tod Umptious

DDC1990 wrote: »

Are you really classing Stinickers opinion as a general Kerry opinion?
He's is the most over the top, cocky arrogent poster here, and he does it to get a reaction.

The actual mood in Kerry is somber, without being fearful. We know what sort of challenge lies ahead, and are in no way cocky. In fact the Donegal fans that I know, are far more cocky. They really think that this is their year, not only to beat Kerry but win the All Ireland.

There is no Kerry party to spoil, and we certainly don't need to be taken down a peg or two. We know we can win this game, we have on our day the best team in Ireland. But you need more then good individuals, to beat the best teams in Ireland, because they also have class players. It wont be a shock or a surprise if Donegal beat us on Sunday.

This game will come down to a battle of wits between Jack O'Connor and Jimmy McGuinness. It will be fascinating. But don't mistake the Kerry mood as being anything near cockyness, by listening to Stinicker.

Quiet true

A Kerry win will be a dressing down for Donegal more so than vise versa.

DDC1990

Ceist_Beag wrote: »

In the same vein DDC don't for a second think that most Donegal fans believe this is their year! I think there is general optimism going into Sundays match but most fans aren't looking beyond that. For me Cork are the favourites this year with Kerry, Dublin and Donegal having very little between them. Mayo are also not to be dismissed, they should get past Down and are capable of beating Dublin if it comes to that. I wouldn't give Kildare, Down or Laois much of a look in beyond the quarter finals.

Yeah, not saying all Doneagal fans think its their year, but all I've seen on FB this week is #donegal4sam, Pictures from the Donegal Democrat FB page, and a lot of talk of how this is Donegals year. Thats just my circle of friends, who in general are pretty knowlegable.

Not for one second suggesting that all Donegal people are like that but I've honestly seen and talked to more confident (not cocky) Donegal fans then Kerry fans. All the "experts" are talking up Donegal, and tipping them, and there is a lot of hype behind this team. If Jimmy McGuinness can keep this team grounded, then he really is one of the best managers in the game.

If the team get ahead of themselves, then Kerry could catch them with the big game experience that they have.

curry-muff

Poster that's been put up in my town :pac:

Stinicker

For an insight into the Kerry mind take a look at this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vs1OCgwNXFQ

If people think Kerry are going to lose this one tomorrow then they will be sorely mistaken. Something is stirring in our majestic valleys and peaks, there is a little bit of magic in the air this year and tomorrow will just be the start of things.

LostBoy101

I really hope Donegal win this as my family is originally from there. Donegal introduced some attacking football in the Ulster champo and hopefully they will prove to be dangerous against Kerry tomorrow.

ShamoBuc

I see there will be a minute silence before the game tomorrow in memory of the great Con Houlihan, a true legend.

curry-muff

Stinicker wrote: »

For an insight into the Kerry mind take a look at this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vs1OCgwNXFQ

If people think Kerry are going to lose this one tomorrow then they will be sorely mistaken. Something is stirring in our majestic valleys and peaks, there is a little bit of magic in the air this year and tomorrow will just be the start of things.

That video is horribly cringeworthy, I'd be really embarrassed to post that :pac:

Stinicker

curry-muff wrote: »

That video is horribly cringeworthy, I'd be really embarrassed to post that :pac:

In Kerry we are proud of tradition.

doc_17

Interesting stuff alright!

teednab-el

Stinicker wrote: »

In Kerry we are proud of tradition.

What mountain did you pull that wallop out off?


Lads anyone hazard a bet that if Kerry lose tomorrow, Stinicker will not be seen in the GAA forum until 2013? Must find a Hills of Donegal video to post up in the event that this could be a possibility. Of course then if it does happen, he will say that the ref was at fault and that Donegal have ruined football with their style of football. Blah blah blah, my eyes are hurting.