Come fly with enda

cruais

The cheeky pup is just the same as he rest of them and full of BS!

www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/taoiseach-made-almost-half-of-government-jet-trips-561073.html

washman3

And all that just to go and hide behind the curtains at the summits...!!!

the blueshirt apologists will be on here shortly to defend him..;)

hawkelady

cruais wrote: »

The cheeky pup is just the same as he rest of them and full of BS!

www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/taoiseach-made-almost-half-of-government-jet-trips-561073.html

Sure isn't he everyone's lapdog. Wagging his tail for all of europes hierarchy !!
Phil hogan travels with him to pick up the poo with a pooper scooper !!

Richard Hillman

Ah the anti-government media strike again

admiralofthefleet

varadker says 'we arent using it for fear of media critisism'. so they dont care about the cost to the taxpayer, just what the media might say

SocSocPol

What did you really expect?

uriah

cruais wrote: »

The cheeky pup is just the same as he rest of them and full of BS!

www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/taoiseach-made-almost-half-of-government-jet-trips-561073.html

"Taoiseach Enda Kenny has made use of the Government's private jet more than any other cabinet member, accounting for 45% of the trips taken on the plane since taking office last March.

According to the Sunday Independent, Enda Kenny has used the Government jet 26 times - four of these trips were to the US and had a combined cost of €206,000.

The Taoiseach has used the €3,790-an-hour Gulfstream GIV jet to fly to Brussels mostly, but has also taken in destinations including Washington, London and Berlin.

However, use of the Government jet by the Cabinet has declined overall.."

www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/taoiseach-made-almost-half-of-government-jet-trips-561073.html

They regard as news the fact that the taoiseach has used the jet more than any minister?? Are these journalists children?

Could they give us a comparison of the use/cost of the jet now compared to Bertie's/Cowen's last year in office?

phasers

Seems like he used the jet for official duties. What's the issue? That's what it's for surely...


Unless he was using the flights to pick up chicks or something

boardzz

How else is he supposed to get to the countries?

ArmaniJeanss

cruais wrote: »

The cheeky pup is just the same as he rest of them and full of BS!

www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/taoiseach-made-almost-half-of-government-jet-trips-561073.html

I thought this was what people wanted, that the government jet would no longer be used by cabinet ministers to swan around in and would be reserved just for the serious business of An Taoiseach.

But by the basic laws of maths if the other ministers stop using it then the percentage of use by An Taoiseach is going to increase, even if his actual use has stayed the same or even decreased.

But surely no-one is actually complaining about this???

Where To

Move along please.

Nothing to see here.

Richard Hillman

If Enda Kenny went to meeting in London with David Cameron and used a dingy to get over the Irish sea and cycled from Holyhead from London and back, the media will pick up on the price of the dingy and the bike.

No matter who is running the country, the media will always be anti government to appeal to the lowest common denominator.

washman3

The apologists have arrived.... just a predicted....;)

suicide_circus

Where To wrote: »

Move along please.

Nothing to see here.

I read this in enda's voice

ejmaztec

boardzz wrote: »

How else is he supposed to get to the countries?

Strapped to a cruise missile.

Firefox11

Taoiseach uses Government jet for Government business shocker!!:rolleyes:

plein de force

He's the taoiseach, of course he'll use it more than any other cabinet member, he's the most 'important'
and it's for government business which it's intended, what's the issue?

Biggins

cruais wrote: »

The cheeky pup is just the same as he rest of them and full of BS!

www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/taoiseach-made-almost-half-of-government-jet-trips-561073.html

Honestly, I would have a problem with Enda if he did as one Mary Harney did (and use official state aircraft for just the likes of going to officially open a friends pub) but he's been using the plane for flying to the United States etc on official business - fair enough!

I criticise the u-turn artist and coward a lot but official use of the state plane for what looks like genuine use, is not something I'd use in trying to have a go at him.

He's accountable for bigger things - which deserves bigger criticism I feel.

Rabies

cruais wrote: »

The cheeky pup is just the same as he rest of them and full of BS!

www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/taoiseach-made-almost-half-of-government-jet-trips-561073.html

The government owns a jet. Its used for work.

The Taoiseach has used the €3,790-an-hour Gulfstream GIV jet to fly to Brussels mostly, but has also taken in destinations including Washington, London and Berlin.

Do you expect him to take a Ryanair flight?

eth0

It wouldn't be so bad if he gave free lifts to anyone who wanted to go along

ejmaztec

It's well worth the effort, because he's such an orator and persuasive individual, that there are going to be hundreds of thousands, if not millions of jobs created when all those foreign investors in awe of his arse-licking ability set up thousands of businesses the length and breadth of the country. There will be so many jobs, we'll all have at least 20 each.

cruais

Well this is a government who can't provide adequate services to the nation, due to cut backs and lack of finances but he has time to take the jet around. What's stopping him from booking an aerlingus flight to take him to the states or to take him over to his new adopted country that is Germany.

I've seen plenty of politicians, past and present on aerlingus flights so why is he any different.

It's €3790 per hour!

squod

Rabies wrote: »

Do you expect him to take a Ryanair flight?

Expected him to fly crossdressair

later12

Rabies wrote: »

Do you expect him to take a Ryanair flight?

In fairness while this is a non-story, and of course the Government jet should be used for times when a regular flight is unavailable or too slow, I don't think the concept of government ministers or the Taoiseach flying Ryanair should be out of the question, no.

If it's good enough for the Queen of Spain, it should be good enough for all of our Queens in cabinet.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/spain/5429821/Spanish-Queen-sets-example-with-13-Ryanair-flight-to-London.html

efb

Such a non story

Rabies

squod wrote: »

Expected him to fly crossdressair

Eh.. ok.

Flown with them before? Did you get well serviced?

dvpower

washman3 wrote: »

The apologists have arrived.... just a predicted....;)

efb wrote: »

Such a non story

These stories are like pornography for the whingers.

cruais

I'm not saying that it should never be used. But to take it for every single trip over seas is rediculous.

In that article it states that he took it to Washington. Flight time from Dublin to Washington is approx 7 hours. A return flight would have caused the tax payer €55,580!

All so enda could give the bowl of shamrock to obama.

dvpower

cruais wrote: »

I'm not saying that it should never be used. But to take it for every single trip over seas is rediculous.

In that article it states that he took it to Washington. Flight time from Dublin to Washington is approx 7 hours. A return flight would have caused the tax payer €55,580!

All so enda could give the bowl of shamrock to obama.

Have you checked that Enda alone was on that flight? If there were a number of people on it, it changes the maths somewhat.

Rabies

cruais wrote: »

I'm not saying that it should never be used. But to take it for every single trip over seas is rediculous.

In that article it states that he took it to Washington. Flight time from Dublin to Washington is approx 7 hours. A return flight would have caused the tax payer €55,580!

All so enda could give the bowl of shamrock to obama.

I'm sure this one was probably ignored.
http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0219/china.html
Trying to secure foreign interest in Ireland. You know that bit about getting international companies in here, imports/exports, trade, trying to creating employment.

Oh ya, lets go with the negative stuff, its more fun.

cruais

dvpower wrote: »

Have you checked that Enda alone was on that flight? If there were a number of people on it, it changes the maths somewhat.

Well a standard flight return to the states would be roughly €600-700. So say he had a posy of 10 with him, it's still rings in at €7000.

So, it would change the maths somewhat. It would have saved the tax payer €48,580

later12

cruais wrote: »

I'm not saying that it should never be used. But to take it for every single trip over seas is rediculous.

In that article it states that he took it to Washington. Flight time from Dublin to Washington is approx 7 hours. A return flight would have caused the tax payer €55,580!

I'd be reasonably confident that the €3,790 an hour price tag is actually just a mean, arrived at by dividing the annual cost of the jet by its flying hours.

It doesn't necessarily mean there is a meter that sends a €3,790 bill to Patrick A. Taxpayer every time an hour is clocked onboard. Since the staff are going to be working anyway, and the plane needs to be serviced and maintained, a large proportion of that cost is going to be there regardless of actual usage.

dvpower

cruais wrote: »

Well a standard flight return to the states would be roughly €600-700. So say he had a posy of 10 with him, it's still rings in at €7000.

So, it would change the maths somewhat. It would have saved the tax payer €48,580

No direct flights from Ireland to Washington, so now you have to factor in costs of transfers, including the time wasted on the journey.

Could they have done it more cheaply? Certainly.
Could they have done it more efficiently? Not so certain.


If we aren't going to use the Government jet for the Paddy's day Washington trip, there probably isn't any other trip that its use could be justified for.

Samich

Where's his bike? He should be cycling to all them countries where possible. Ferries to cross water. Would do him good

LETHAL LADY

Why he is just a dashingly handsome man, with his rosy cheeks and wry smile he could melt the stony heart of any Irish cailín.

Snowie

WTF seriously what a peace of title tattle crap!

Regardless of his abilities as the nations leader... He still runs our country, every other country has bigger planes, look at air force one, they've got a 747 fighter planes and a c17 to carry everything obama needs for international visits...


And that abomination of a websites what
Moaning over 200,000 how about moaning about the fat fvcking pricks aka( bertie) pension.... :rolleyes:

Tomk1

From this headline you'ld think he must of gone to Australia for a haircut or some exotic location, but Brussels, apart from the beer, no other reason for the Head of state to go to Brussels.

All I can say is some of the ''stories'' from breakingnews/examiner of late are verging on the dailymail turf, but not wanting to be too critical of the Mail, they did explain the worldwide strange noises in the sky, with real science. Come on Cork Examiner get back on track.

squod

Tomk1 wrote: »

From this headline you'ld think he must of gone to Australia for a haircut or some exotic location, but Brussels, apart from the beer, no other reason for the Head of state to go to Brussels.

He's mean to go to Brussels for a ''haircut''. He didn't get one. Hence the anger. Got it?

Duckworth_Luas

Is breakingnews.ie in anyway related to INM, only they would be so stupid as to make this an issue.

admiralofthefleet

if the government sell their stake in aer lingus to ryanair they should get reduced price tickets and travel like the rest of us.
seriously, we are in desperate times so it calls for desperate measures

EchoIndia

When a certain senior member of the O'Reilly clan was in charge of the Heinz Corporation, Dublin Airport was frequently visited by aircraft operated by that company, viz Gulfstreams N357H and N457H http://www.abpic.co.uk/photo/1223838/
The cost of operating these aircraft was presumably considered justifiable by the corporation, in the same way as it is by many businesses and governments around the world.

Biggins

admiralofthefleet wrote: »

varadker says 'we arent using it for fear of media critisism'. so they dont care about the cost to the taxpayer, just what the media might say

His words exactly shows where their priorities lie!

Son Of A Vidic

phasers wrote: »

Seems like he used the jet for official duties. What's the issue?

The issue is he doesn't need it. He's going nowhere that Aer Lingus or Ryan Air can't bring him to. Let the fúckwit tighten his belt like the rest of us and save some of our taxpayer money.

ArmaniJeanss

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

The issue is he doesn't need it. He's going nowhere that Aer Lingus or Ryan Air can't bring him to. Let the fúckwit tighten his belt like the rest of us and save some of our taxpayer money.

If its a 9am meeting and the available Ryanair/Aerlingus flight is at 8.30am should he turn up politely late or arrive 24 hours early and kick his heels.
If the meeting looks like overrunning by a few hours should he make his excuses and leave as he has a booked flight to catch?

If its an emergency meeting called at a few days notice and all available flights are booked out should he 'give it a miss' or use some emergency powers to bump a few people off the flight?

Carryon baggage allowance - the amount of paperwork brought to these meetings can easily exceed 10kg.

Would you genuinely like your Taoiseach/Minister For Finance to turn up for important negotiations having had a screaming baby in his ear for 3 hours?

**********
Thinking that an island nation can survive without its government having its own private jet is beyond belief.

UDP

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

If its a 9am meeting and the available Ryanair/Aerlingus flight is at 8.30am should he turn up politely late or arrive 24 hours early and kick his heels.
If the meeting looks like overrunning by a few hours should he make his excuses and leave as he has a booked flight to catch?

If its an emergency meeting called at a few days notice and all available flights are booked out should he 'give it a miss' or use some emergency powers to bump a few people off the flight?

Carryon baggage allowance - the amount of paperwork brought to these meetings can easily exceed 10kg.

Would you genuinely like your Taoiseach/Minister For Finance to turn up for important negotiations having had a screaming baby in his ear for 3 hours?

**********
Thinking that an island nation can survive without its government having its own private jet is beyond belief.

And what about security etc also too?

I can't believe there are so many idiots that cannot see why the prime minister of a country would not be a position to use public flights to get to official government business abroad.

Jame Gumb

I'm no fan of Enda Kenny's, but to try and make an issue out of this is laughable.

It's lazy gutter journalism at its worst. The flavour of the month seems to be FOI requests to find examples of "extravagance" with a view to spinning it.

"Shock horror somebody in Government spent €1,000 on a meal for four!" No mention of the fact that they're courting the CEO of a US multinational with a view to securing 1,000 jobs in Ireland.

Lazy bottom of the barrel nonsense.

Rabies

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

The issue is he doesn't need it. He's going nowhere that Aer Lingus or Ryan Air can't bring him to. Let the fúckwit tighten his belt like the rest of us and save some of our taxpayer money.

your reasoning was going great until a certain point.

later12

UDP wrote: »

I can't believe there are so many idiots that cannot see why the prime minister of a country would not be a position to use public flights to get to official government business abroad.

Airplanes are some of the safest public enclosures that exist. Enda Kenny has a pretty minimal security outfit; if you ever see him, he's more likely to be accompanied by a PR consultant than a special branch officer.

I do agree there is a place for the Government jet in terms of getting somewhere in a hurry, but most Government leaders fly public aircrafts and as sensible as I'm sure Kenny's use of the jet is, I'm not sure we should condone it in all cases.

UDP

later12 wrote: »

I do agree there is a place for the Government jet in terms of getting somewhere in a hurry, but most Government leaders fly public aircrafts and as sensible as I'm sure Kenny's use of the jet is, I'm not sure we should condone it in all cases.

I somehow doubt that most government leaders use public flights. Have you anything to back that up?
According to this you are wrong.

IvySlayer

I don't care if the Taoiseach used the jet a million times. As long as he's using it for official business that is.

fishy fishy

could he not just fly business class on an Aer Lingus flight - consider the state the country is in. This private jet is nonsense. He should be flying with the national airline. he's not that special.