Money talks in Ireland

SocSocPol

Fuinseog wrote: »

imagine living next door to someone like Anthony Lyons? Griffith Avenue is supposed to be a respectable place.

How much does any of us know about our neighbours?
New neighbour could be a saint or could be a multiple rapist, murderer etc...
Griffith Ave is respectaable , Lyons on the other hand is lowlife with a big wallet!

token101

Contrasted with the fact that another man (who had pleaded guilty fairly early on) got 3 years last week for filing fraudulent tax returns, this is a joke. People will say there shouldnt be a comparison between cases, but how can anyone not compare? It's a ****ing sick joke.

Capt'n Midnight

Carlos_Ray wrote: »

After all if you killed a person in revenge for a crime they committed you'd almost certainly be out of prison in less than 5 years. Small price to pay for avenging a serious crime against a family member.

Do it with a car and you'd be out even sooner.

humanji

Fuinseog wrote: »

imagine living next door to someone like Anthony Lyons? Griffith Avenue is supposed to be a respectable place.

Or living next door to many of the non-wealthy scumbags who also get insanely lenient sentences. Wealth has nothing to do with this. It's the p*ss poor sentencing structure employed by an archaic judicial system.

SocSocPol

SocSocPol wrote: »

How much does any of us know about our neighbours?
New neighbour could be a saint or could be a multiple rapist, murderer etc...
Griffith Ave is respectaable , Lyons on the other hand is lowlife with a big wallet!

The problem being, we KNOW he's a dodgy bastard now, and the law is supposed to look after that.

candy-gal1

Heard this today, fcuking ridiculous imho, not just for the whole getting his sentence down to nothing in fairness, but him saying "oh im on new cholesterol meds and i just got a unreprehendable urge etc etc" WTF
:rolleyes:

Harry Angstrom

It's clear from this verdict today that not all people are treated equally under the law in this country, especially if it's somebody who's considered middle class and "respectable".
Take the Eamon Lillis case, for example. He killed his wife, he took the calculating step of making it look like a burglary and then tried to accuse a completely innocent man of the killing. For all this he gets a sentence of 6 years and 11 months, meaning he'll be out in about 4 or 5 years. If this had happened in Tallaght or Ballymun I doubt that he'd have gotten such a lenient sentence. Justice is supposed to be blind but it clearly isn't. Sean Quinn Jnr has been sent to the training unit of Mountjoy prsion. Heaven forbid that he'd have to slum it with the "underclasses" in the main prison. We're supposed to be living in a republic where all people are supposed to be equal but it seems that the rich are a lot more equal than others, especially when it comes to crime and "punishment".

humanji

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=53674127 And that's just one of many examples.

As I said, it's nothing to do with money, it's to do with the system. In Ireland if you respect the system, you get f*cked by the system. If you have no respect for the system, you can get away with murder (which I'm sure there's been literal cases of).

gypsy_rose

I also can't believe that they reduced his sentence due to their belief that he will exhibit good behaviour and not be a danger to the public, he rugby tackled her to the ground ffs!

laoch na mona

humanji wrote: »

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=53674127 And that's just one of many examples.

As I said, it's nothing to do with money, it's to do with the system. In Ireland if you respect the system, you get f*cked by the system. If you have no respect for the system, you can get away with murder (which I'm sure there's been literal cases of).

sean quinn begs to differ

Our man in Havana

The even worse thing is he won't even do 6 months. The jails are so overcrowded that he will be out in 3 months.

gypsy_rose

Our man in Havana wrote: »

The even worse thing is he won't even do 6 months. The jails are so overcrowded that he will be out in 3 months.

The only solace is everyone knows who he is and what he did now, they're not going to look at him the same way again.

Capt'n Midnight

humanji wrote: »

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=53674127 And that's just one of many examples.

As I said, it's nothing to do with money, it's to do with the system. In Ireland if you respect the system, you get f*cked by the system. If you have no respect for the system, you can get away with murder (which I'm sure there's been literal cases of).

Wasn't there a guy who killed a woman in a sex act. Strangulation or something. By all accounts she wasn't into anything like that. ( Was he from the UK ? )

Can't remember if he did it a second time or there was a different murder.


But it's scary how many serious crimes are committed by people who should have been reformed if our system worked or kept off the street if it didn't. It would be interesting to see a graph of the number of previous convictions vs murders rate.

LoYL

Intolerable. It's past time parliament passed the sort of laws that people want to deal with scum whether they're in Armani or trakies.

mackg

SocSocPol wrote: »

If you believe that then you are deluded.:mad:

This is terrible, another example of soft sentencing for this kind of crime but there are threads in here the whole time about laughable sentences for rape/ sexual assault where the perpetrator is not rich or connected. Why is this one special because he is?

If the average Joe was getting harsh sentences I could see the money talks angle but as it stands at the minute I don't.

JustAThought

It's sinister, depraved and disgusting that a young girl walking home from a night out, can be stalked,rugby tackled to the ground, dragged into. Garden, her clothed ripped off her and be raped; and the convicted rapist; Anthony Lyons of Griffith Avenue; only get 6 months with 5 1/2 years suspended because he is of good character & I'd unlikely to re- offend. What the f¥€k.

I recall Judge Herbert some years back also basically letting a convicted rapist off Scott free " because the woman wasn't rely hurt".

I asking seem to recall a Judge Curtain who got away with having thousands of images of hardcore child pornography on his PC & got off with full pension & retirement because the warrant was " out if dTe" by a day.

I agree with what another poster said; who did rapist Anthony Lyons know.

I wonder if he sold the new government Jet to the Irish Government or was part of that?

Today's Judge; Judge Desmond should be struck off for this disgusting mess. He has put rape victims back in the 1950's with his implied attitude . 75k for a rape from a multimillionaire. And max 6
Months in jail; it's just depraved.

That he was caught at all was a miracle ; to have a witness to the rape was extraordinary . For all this to happen, & this outcome is just horrifying .

We should all be writing to the DPP to object & to whomever the minister is. Many rapists reoffend. I wonder whose daughter or wife will be next. Only he won't be so stupid as to rape his neighbour next time.

We should all be pressing for Megans Law to be brought in, to Ireland. Too many women disappearing, unresolved rapes, and paedophiles & sex offenders creeping around & watching our children.

What about the lives of the innocent & the rights of children & the innocent .

We
Need to stop protecting scum
And start demanding real punishments as a deterrent.
Enough of the bleeding heart liberalism.

Whose child or wife is next.

steddyeddy

Every now and again you read a story that leaves a bad feeling in your stomach. Society shouldnt go down this route. We really really have to look at the type of people we are letting into law also.

Kooli

token101 wrote: »

Contrasted with the fact that another man (who had pleaded guilty fairly early on) got 3 years last week for filing fraudulent tax returns, this is a joke. People will say there shouldnt be a comparison between cases, but how can anyone not compare? It's a ****ing sick joke.

I've never understood this. Why on earth shouldn't different cases be compared? It seems a sensible way to illuminate ridiculous discrepancies in sentencing.

I have to say, when I saw a thread about this in AH, I was almost scared to open it, but I'm really, really glad to see such a unified response of horror, and sympathy for the victim.

I know someone who knows him, and if I heard her say one more time that he was a 'nice, respectable man' and that the ordeal was 'so difficult for his family' I was going to throttle her.

steddyeddy

Kooli wrote: »

I've never understood this. Why on earth shouldn't different cases be compared? It seems a sensible way to illuminate ridiculous discrepancies in sentencing.

I have to say, when I saw a thread about this in AH, I was almost scared to open it, but I'm really, really glad to see such a unified response of horror, and sympathy for the victim.

I know someone who knows him, and if I heard her say one more time that he was a 'nice, respectable man' and that the ordeal was 'so difficult for his family' I was going to throttle her.

Of course sentences should be compared. Its the measure of a society that a man gets less of a sentence for ruining a girls life than a man who didnt pay enough taxes.

Funnyonion79

JustAThought wrote: »

It's sinister, depraved and disgusting that a young girl walking home from a night out, can be stalked,rugby tackled to the ground, dragged into. Garden, her clothed ripped off her and be raped; and the convicted rapist; Anthony Lyons of Griffith Avenue; only get 6 months with 5 1/2 years suspended because he is of good character & I'd unlikely to re- offend. What the f¥€k.

I recall Judge Herbert some years back also basically letting a convicted rapist off Scott free " because the woman wasn't rely hurt".

I asking seem to recall a Judge Curtain who got away with having thousands of images of hardcore child pornography on his PC & got off with full pension & retirement because the warrant was " out if dTe" by a day.

I agree with what another poster said; who did rapist Anthony Lyons know.

I wonder if he sold the new government Jet to the Irish Government or was part of that?

Today's Judge; Judge Desmond should be struck off for this disgusting mess. He has put rape victims back in the 1950's with his implied attitude . 75k for a rape from a multimillionaire. And max 6
Months in jail; it's just depraved.

That he was caught at all was a miracle ; to have a witness to the rape was extraordinary . For all this to happen, & this outcome is just horrifying .

We should all be writing to the DPP to object & to whomever the minister is. Many rapists reoffend. I wonder whose daughter or wife will be next. Only he won't be so stupid as to rape his neighbour next time.

We should all be pressing for Megans Law to be brought in, to Ireland. Too many women disappearing, unresolved rapes, and paedophiles & sex offenders creeping around & watching our children.

What about the lives of the innocent & the rights of children & the innocent .

We
Need to stop protecting scum
And start demanding real punishments as a deterrent.
Enough of the bleeding heart liberalism.

Whose child or wife is next.

I'm going to write to the DPP and to Alan Shatter, the Minister for Justice tomorrow to express my disgust and anger at this lenient sentence.

So few rape cases even make it to the courts because of the trauma caused to the victim, having to relive the ordeal all over again and having to confront and face her attacker - and then one brave woman decides she'll take it all the way and not let him get away with it and he gets a pathetic six months!!

He has ruined her life - she will never fully recover from something like that, it will affect her forever and he'll be back on the street in about 3 months time. There are no words. I'm also going to send a letter to the judge while I'm at it. Disgusting.

Goat the dote

Unavailable for Comment wrote: »

It is terrible that he will only be in prison for a couple of months but in all fairness, 75K is probably of more use to the victim than seeing her attacker serve at most two years in prison.

Clearly you've (thankfully) never been a victim of sexual abuse/assault.
I'd rather someone be locked up for life rather than get the anxiety of worrying if you'll ever see them again

steddyeddy

Goat the dote wrote: »

Clearly you've (thankfully) never been a victim of sexual abuse/assault.
I'd rather someone be locked up for life rather than get the anxiety of worrying if you'll ever see them again

Its isnt even the anxiety of seeing the attacker. Im no expert but people I met who were sexually assaulted are often never the same after. They often have anxiety about life in general.

Edit: Sorry if talking about symptoms offends anyone who may be a victim of assault or abuse. Im no expert just saying what I heard off people I met. If Im wrong about the symtoms I apologise!

El Guapo!

Well I hope he's bum-fúcked every day he's locked up.
And the judge is a disgrace and should be fired given his history of lenient sentences.
What an absolute joke. This place gets worse by the day. :mad:

Millicent

steddyeddy wrote: »

Its isnt even the anxiety of seeing the attacker. Im no expert but people I met who were sexually assaulted are often never the same after. They often have anxiety about life in general.

Edit: Sorry if talking about symptoms offends anyone who may be a victim of assault or abuse. Im no expert just saying what I heard off people I met. If Im wrong about the symtoms I apologise!

No, you're not far off the mark. Also common is low self esteem, crippling depression, fear of intimacy, promiscuity, inability to form healthy relationships, PTSD, self harm, substance and alcohol abuse etc. etc. More here, if you wanna read.

Sexual violence takes a long time to get over. I hope she manages to get some good counselling with the compensation.* It should be mandatory for every criminal to pay for counselling for a crime like this.

*The compensation is no way a substitute for an appropriate jail sentence.

bhovaspack

It should also be mandatory for the aggressor to change residence, at his own expense. Living just down the road from the person who raped her is another torment I'm sure the woman could do without. Hopefully he will be made to feel very unwelcome by other residents.

Goat the dote

Millicent wrote: »

steddyeddy wrote: »

Its isnt even the anxiety of seeing the attacker. Im no expert but people I met who were sexually assaulted are often never the same after. They often have anxiety about life in general.

Edit: Sorry if talking about symptoms offends anyone who may be a victim of assault or abuse. Im no expert just saying what I heard off people I met. If Im wrong about the symtoms I apologise!

No, you're not far off the mark. Also common is low self esteem, crippling depression, fear of intimacy, promiscuity, inability to form healthy relationships, PTSD, self harm, substance and alcohol abuse etc. etc. More here, if you wanna read.

Sexual violence takes a long time to get over. I hope she manages to get some good counselling with the compensation.* It should be mandatory for every criminal to pay for counselling for a crime like this.

*The compensation is no way a substitute for an appropriate jail sentence.

Thanks for the link. It's like ticking off a checklist for myself here.
I think the only way A person could be adequately compensated is to have the memory of the incident plucked from the recesses of the brain and the memory totally erased.
Since that's impossible it means a measly (in terms of this) 75k wouldn't even begin to fix it

steddyeddy

Millicent wrote: »

No, you're not far off the mark. Also common is low self esteem, crippling depression, fear of intimacy, promiscuity, inability to form healthy relationships, PTSD, self harm, substance and alcohol abuse etc. etc. More here, if you wanna read.

Sexual violence takes a long time to get over. I hope she manages to get some good counselling with the compensation.* It should be mandatory for every criminal to pay for counselling for a crime like this.

*The compensation is no way a substitute for an appropriate jail sentence.

Thanks Milli! I will read it. Poor girl I hope she gets the help and support she needs. I hope she knows that most of Ireland think this sentence is wrong.

Capt'n Midnight

Do we still use the barbaric valuing of a womans earnings to determine 'compensation' ?

also compensation is means tested on the guilty party and it can affect the sentence :mad:
and guilty party can contest the amount of compensation after sentencing


From May www.rcni.ie/uploads/RCNILegalRecommendationsPositionPaperMay12.pdf

There are several difficulties about this statutory scheme from the point of view of the
victim of crime:
- Section 6 of the Criminal Justice Act 1993 is not mandatory. There is no
obligation on the sentencing judge and/or the prosecuting lawyer, to raise the
issue of compensation of the complainant by the convicted person.
RCNI Position Paper on Legal Recommendations from “Rape and Justice in Ireland”
15
- If compensation is raised at sentence, or the judge considers it of his/her own
motion, he/she must also consider the means of the convicted person who must
pay it. While compensation under this Section can cover a wide range of losses, it
can be paid in instalments, and the convicted person can apply at any time after
the sentence to have those instalments reduced, or even abolished, if his/her
means diminish.
- These limitations mean that it is questionable whether any compensation
payable to the complainant under this Section for the damage caused to him/her
by the crime could be described as “fair and appropriate”
29
, or as “adequate”
30
,
given the extensive and varied nature of the damage caused by sexual crime;
- Section 6 takes effect before sentence is passed and therefore, is likely to impact
on the sentence handed down.

...
However, we think that there is a danger under the present
compensation arrangements that some sex offenders may in effect succeed in buying
themselves out of a jail sentence. It cannot be right in principle that convicted persons with
more money should have a means of avoiding imprisonment which is denied to those with
less money.

...
In the longer term, a statutory scheme should be established, by which a victim of crime
may access some amount of compensation from the State where a person is convicted in
the criminal courts of a crime of violence, but has no means to pay compensation to their
victim. This scheme should operate quickly and simply, and it should not be necessary for
the victim to instruct a lawyer to represent them.

RED PASSION

bhovaspack wrote: »

It should also be mandatory for the aggressor to change residence, at his own expense. Living just down the road from the person who raped her is another torment I'm sure the woman could do without. Hopefully he will be made to feel very unwelcome by other residents.

he would move to another neighbourhood and they wouldn't know him, say good morning to your new neighbour each day, kids playing on the lawn or visting his kids, or sleepovers etc etc and you would not see the danger of this person or know his past. when robert hollihan died in midleton, cork a few years back, the people there said the amount of paedophiles living there unknown to the neighbours was in the high 20's, it was the guards visiting their homes about the case which outed them.

better the devil you know...

Raiser

I can't understand this - surely when justice demands punishment the material wealth of the guilty party shouldn't enable him to practically walk free - its 24 weeks in jail - Will he even go to a real jail or is he to attend a posh open prison for posh sexual criminals?

DPP needs to address this fiasco - What utter disrespect to that poor woman.

RED PASSION

Raiser wrote: »

I can't understand this - surely when justice demands punishment the material wealth of the guilty party shouldn't enable him to practically walk free - its 24 weeks in jail - Will he even go to a real jail or is he to attend a posh open prison for posh sexual criminals?

DPP needs to address this fiasco - What utter disrespect to that poor woman.

he is not going to a hard jail cell, probably something similar to the quinn guy, a easy going prison, no hard criminals etc, and be out in less than 6 mths. crazy :mad:

Defiler Of The Coffin

Dean09 wrote: »

Well I hope he's bum-fúcked every day he's locked up.
And the judge is a disgrace and should be fired given his history of lenient sentences.
What an absolute joke. This place gets worse by the day. :mad:

So you hope he is raped? You're right, this place is getting worse by the day

Canard

I live right beside Griffith Avenue... >_>

What a disgusting kick in the teeth to that poor woman, but fair play to her for seeing it all the way through and making sure he at least got some punishment, even if it's an absolutely disgraceful one. Do these judges have no empathy?

darragh o meara

Seen as its AH if it were myself or a family member I know what id do with with that 75k, I'd hire a hitman and be done with this scum the minute he leaves prison.

RED PASSION

darragh o meara wrote: »

Seen as its AH if it were myself or a family member I know what id do with with that 75k, I'd hire a hitman and be done with this scum the minute he leaves prison.

but you would go to jail for hiring a hitman and further destroy your family, i know where the anger comes from, he should get a decade at least. 6 months, she got the life sentence of pain

suicide_circus

JustAThought wrote: »

It's sinister, depraved and disgusting that a young girl walking home from a night out, can be stalked,rugby tackled to the ground, dragged into. Garden, her clothed ripped off her and be raped; and the convicted rapist; Anthony Lyons of Griffith Avenue; only get 6 months with 5 1/2 years suspended because he is of good character & I'd unlikely to re- offend. What the f¥€k.

I recall Judge Herbert some years back also basically letting a convicted rapist off Scott free " because the woman wasn't rely hurt".

I asking seem to recall a Judge Curtain who got away with having thousands of images of hardcore child pornography on his PC & got off with full pension & retirement because the warrant was " out if dTe" by a day.

I agree with what another poster said; who did rapist Anthony Lyons know.

I wonder if he sold the new government Jet to the Irish Government or was part of that?

Today's Judge; Judge Desmond should be struck off for this disgusting mess. He has put rape victims back in the 1950's with his implied attitude . 75k for a rape from a multimillionaire. And max 6
Months in jail; it's just depraved.

That he was caught at all was a miracle ; to have a witness to the rape was extraordinary . For all this to happen, & this outcome is just horrifying .

We should all be writing to the DPP to object & to whomever the minister is. Many rapists reoffend. I wonder whose daughter or wife will be next. Only he won't be so stupid as to rape his neighbour next time.

We should all be pressing for Megans Law to be brought in, to Ireland. Too many women disappearing, unresolved rapes, and paedophiles & sex offenders creeping around & watching our children.

What about the lives of the innocent & the rights of children & the innocent .

We
Need to stop protecting scum
And start demanding real punishments as a deterrent.
Enough of the bleeding heart liberalism.

Whose child or wife is next.

He was convicted of sexual assault not rape.

pickarooney

Can she refuse the cash settlement? What then?

SocSocPol

JustAThought wrote: »

It's sinister, depraved and disgusting that a young girl walking home from a night out, can be stalked,rugby tackled to the ground, dragged into. Garden, her clothed ripped off her and be raped; and the convicted rapist; Anthony Lyons of Griffith Avenue; only get 6 months with 5 1/2 years suspended because he is of good character & I'd unlikely to re- offend. What the f¥€k.

I recall Judge Herbert some years back also basically letting a convicted rapist off Scott free " because the woman wasn't rely hurt".

I asking seem to recall a Judge Curtain who got away with having thousands of images of hardcore child pornography on his PC & got off with full pension & retirement because the warrant was " out if dTe" by a day.

I agree with what another poster said; who did rapist Anthony Lyons know.

I wonder if he sold the new government Jet to the Irish Government or was part of that?

Today's Judge; Judge Desmond should be struck off for this disgusting mess. He has put rape victims back in the 1950's with his implied attitude . 75k for a rape from a multimillionaire. And max 6
Months in jail; it's just depraved.

That he was caught at all was a miracle ; to have a witness to the rape was extraordinary . For all this to happen, & this outcome is just horrifying .

We should all be writing to the DPP to object & to whomever the minister is. Many rapists reoffend. I wonder whose daughter or wife will be next. Only he won't be so stupid as to rape his neighbour next time.

We should all be pressing for Megans Law to be brought in, to Ireland. Too many women disappearing, unresolved rapes, and paedophiles & sex offenders creeping around & watching our children.

What about the lives of the innocent & the rights of children & the innocent .

We
Need to stop protecting scum
And start demanding real punishments as a deterrent.
Enough of the bleeding heart liberalism.

Whose child or wife is next.

I have no time for either the judge or the Anthony Lyons. However your post is highly inaccurate in several respects.
Firstly Lyons was neither charged nor convicted of rape, so lets just deal with what he was charged with instead of blowing it up even further. He was charged and rightly convicted after pleading not guilty, of sexual assault and in my opinion should have got the 6 years with nothing suspended.
While I believe he was treated differently to others because of his social and financial standing, I am unware as to how you can claim that he is a "Multi-Millionaire", and your claims re the Government Jet are simply childish.
With regard to your attempt to scaremonger by claiming that many "rapists" re-offend, in fact in the only study into recidivism ever carried out in Ireland it was evidenced that the LOWEST recidivism rate was for those convicted of sexual offences.
Since according to the Rape Crisis Network the overwhelming majority of sexual assaults are carried out by family members or people well known to the victim, a "Megans Law" would serve zero purpose, other than to feed the blood lust stirred up by misinformed and hysterical posts such as yours.
Again I deplore the Judges sentencing of Lyons, I believe he should have recieved a lengthy sentence and a period of Court ordered supervision, but I don't believe that hysterical, ill thought out, and highly innacurate posting and comment does anything to advance the arguements.

bbam

RED PASSION wrote: »

but you would go to jail for hiring a hitman and further destroy your family, i know where the anger comes from, he should get a decade at least. 6 months, she got the life sentence of pain

You'll only go to jail if your caught. And then it would be an east trip anyway.

Fuinseog

"There is little doubt that a very serious wrong has been done on her by a person who has expressed remorse, has been hitherto of good character, is well regarded and is unlikely to reoffend"

Judge Hogan

Fuinseog

Fuinseog wrote: »

"There is little doubt that a very serious wrong has been done on her by a person who has expressed remorse, has been hitherto of good character, is well regarded and is unlikely to reoffend"

Judge Hogan


why was he placed on the sex offenders list if he is unlikely to reoffend?

I wonder what makes him so sure that he will not reoffend. I know of one senior businessman who was sued successfully for sexual harassment and he is still at it. it has not had any negative affect on his career.

kr7

Defiler Of The Coffin wrote: »

So you hope he is raped? You're right, this place is getting worse by the day

Maybe the Romans were right.

An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth.

ThunbergsAreGo

Awful decision, but his name ahs been everywhere and his life his ruined.

Who would want to do business with him now

Dyr

"hitherto of good character"= wedged up and someone I could see myself bumping into at the golf club unlike those prole's I send down all the time

That's another lampost occupied come the revolution

JustAThought

Does anyone know the statistics of raped women in Ireland ?

How does this compare to convictions?

Dyr

darragh o meara wrote: »

Seen as its AH if it were myself or a family member I know what id do with with that 75k, I'd hire a hitman and be done with this scum the minute he leaves prison.

for 75k you could get the judge popped too, might make the rest of them sit up and realise that they're accountable for their actions.

JustAThought

Fuinseog wrote: »

"There is little doubt that a very serious wrong has been done on her by a person who has expressed remorse, has been hitherto of good character, is well regarded and is unlikely to reoffend"

Judge Hogan

No doubt Jack the Rippers family thought well of him too. Everyone is innocent untilthey are convicted of rape/sexual assault.

Stalking a young woman on her way up the street whereshe lives, attacking her, wrestling her to the ground, ripping her clothes off while trying to rape her . Hardly the signs of a man of good character.
Had she not managed to ring the police who have a station literally just up the road, or had a witness not seen what was happening and run the rapist off God knows what else could have happened.

Shocking & disgusting.

And thus from a man who brokers jets for a living & apparently has five companies listed at his home address alone .

Bring in Megans law ; so we can seewho the rapists & sexual predators & pedophiles are, what they've done and where they live.

This country is rotten to the core . We need to know who these monsters are & where they are living so we can protect ourselves from their predatory minds.

What about the three pedophile brothers convicted the other day ; would you be letting your children over to say hello & get a push on a swing if you knew what they were.

Sickening.

pickarooney

pickarooney wrote: »

Can she refuse the cash settlement? What then?

In the case of the guy attacking 3 women all in one go and getting a totally suspended sentence, the victim has refused the 12k compensation - if she continues to, it will go to charity
i imagine the same is true here

PieForPi

Going by the tone of this thread you would swear that there aren't any non-wealthy or poor people who've benefited from lenient sentencing, and when the reality is that those are the people who benefit most from poor sentencing in this country.

This hasn't anything to do with money, it's to do with the guilty parties criminal record or lack thereof, the crime involved and the judge's perception of his likelihood to re-offend.

That isn't to say I agree with the sentence, quite the contrary I find it abhorrent that he received such leniency but the reality is that criminals throughout the country, serious, violent criminals at that, are getting ridiculously lenient sentences every day.

The issue here is the failings of the justice system, it's not a status issue. I think the judge in question needs to be examined as this sentence is particularly eyebrow raising, especially when put with his leniency towards another sex offender only last week.

Stop making everything about "them and us" though, every time a criminal, regardless of background, is prematurely let back onto our streets we all suffer, regardless of background.

Duggy747

He came up behind her and said "are you going to get home safely", before rugby tackling her into the trees.
She cried for help but he told her to be quiet. He put his hand over her throat and mouth before sexually assaulting her.
The victim managed to hit him on the head with her mobile phone.
Lyons tried to take it off her and broke off the cover before continuing. She managed to call 999 during the attack and he ran away when a passerby shouted at him.

6 months for this? Why did the judge even bother saying 6 years?

That is infuriating, the length of time it takes for cases like these to get to court (if they even do) and how careful the Gardaì have to be to ensure the case is strong enough to be brought before a judge only for him to utterly dismiss it like this in such a pathetic way.

It's a like game, every week I come across a sentencing that's more daft than the last.