Is it ok to strike a girl under certain circumstances?

shedweller

Where does the law stand on this?

Feisar

Same as if a lad attacks. Escape if possible, if escape isn't a viable option use reasonable force to subdue/neutralize the threat and then escape. When safe call the Guards.

Jesus Shaves

shedweller wrote: »

Where does the law stand on this?

Hitting anyone is assault unless it's in self defence

Dravokivich

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

It was widely reported Katie Taylor beat Paul O Connell in a fight.

In fairness he tends to be carrying a lot of injuries at the moment right?

Feisar

yizorselves wrote: »

Yes its perfectly acceptable to give them a hard open handed slap in the face if they have punched you first. It'll sting them, humiliate them and they'll start bawling. She hit you first and you slapped her in retaliation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQwQ8AW_WYc

Ya can't run around doing this. If someone hits another person and they just retaliate then it's just a couple of thugs fighting and not self defense.

Feisar

Feisar wrote: »

if escape isn't a viable option .

We are talking about women here, escape is NEVER a viable option.

OMARS_COMING_

OMARS_COMING_ wrote: »

İf you want to ack like a man your going to treated like one.

Acting like a man?

You're not much of a man if you punch someone unprovoked in a bar.

And you ain't no lady either.

The girls that go to that Club Hell place are agro cnuts. Biting noses and punching blokes.

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

The girls that go to that Club Hell place are agro cnuts. Biting noses and punching blokes.

****!! i've heard of buying a few drinks to get your hole, but that's a bit mental.

yizorselves

Feisar wrote: »

Ya can't run around doing this. If someone hits another person and they just retaliate then it's just a couple of thugs fighting and not self defense.

Thats complete bullsheeeet! Its that pussified attitude that lets scum get away with it over and over again

seamus

shedweller wrote: »

Where does the law stand on this?

The law makes no distinction unless it's sexual assault. On plain old assault, all people are equal.

Of course, when a man ends up in front of our sexist judiciary, he will likely find himself being told off and punished by the judge for failing to control himself and be told to pay compensation and attend counselling, even if he's testifying as the victim.

In the video posted above, I actually think the police officer was out of line. When she hit him, the first thing he should have done is cuffed her and thrown her in a cell, not let her rant on and then smack her.

Gummy Panda

If a girl hit me, I'd charge at her screaming "I'm the juggernaut, bitch!"

doolox

I recall a case in Australia where a cop was intervening in a domestic dispute and he had the man subdued when the female victim stabbed him in the back in an astonishing change of heart, apparently defending her attacker from the policeman.

A lot of police forces attend domestic disputes only in pairs, having one cop to look out for attacks from the victim.

The Australian cop died because he made the dangerous assumption that he was safe from a woman, a fatal form of male chauvinism.

I would never hit anyone in normal circumstances but would take action if needed in the face of a bottle or a knife etc..

Gender equality has lead to increased aggression and "male-like" qualities in women, but they still hark back to and expect the civilities extended to them in former days such as forebearance and "taking abuse like a man".

If anyone uses violence against me I am an equal opportunities deployer......

krudler

Gummy Panda wrote: »

If a girl hit me, I'd charge at her screaming "I'm the juggernaut, bitch!"

or hit her with a flying belly attack, E. Honda stylee.

hardCopy

Don't hit anyone unless they hit you first, regardless of gender.

If someone does hit you, hit them back, regardless of gender.

(Unless it's a feeble weedy punch that you can just laugh at)

scamalert

First it must be a ****ty club/pub you went to if theres no one to throw her out,and second no matter male or female she deserved all what came to her.

Andy-Pandy

I've not had to hit someone in about 15years (self defense), but if a woman thinks that she can hit me and that i wont defend myself just because she is a woman then she is in for a surprise.It's the whole "never hit a girl in any circumstance" attitude that lets these women think that they can go up and have a go at lads, I've seen it happen. I will defend myself, even if that was from a woman, because i know I would never be the aggressor in any situation. If your big enough to throw a punch, dont be surprised if you get one in return.

GunRunner

In my opinion if it's okay for a woman to hit a man, then it's also okay for a man to hit a woman. If I smacked a man (unlikely), I'd actually be angry if he didn't hit me back just because I'm female.

Lollipops23

I'm a girl and if a guy is getting repeatedly slapped/punched by a girl he has every right to restrain her with all the force he can muster- if that means stunning her with a slap round the chops, so be it.

I don't condone punching her lights out for a playful slap, but you have to draw the line somewhere. Just cos you're female, does not give you carte blanche to beat the **** out of a guy.

Mr Benevolent

Yes, it's ok if it's self defence.

Jester252

Dravokivich wrote: »

Jester252 wrote: »

Its never okay for a guy to hit a girl.

What if she was to come at ya with something, like a bottle?

A guy can over power a girl no problem. There is other ways on disabling the person then hitting them. A guy has a good 10 kg on a girl. He can take her down just by sheer force alone. The guards are able to detain suspects without hitting

norrie rugger

Jester252 wrote: »

A guy can over power a girl no problem. There is other ways on disabling the person then hitting them. A guy has a good 10 kg on a girl. He can take her down just by sheer force alone. The guards are able to detain suspects without hitting

The Gardaí are trained to do so and also have the back up of their partner.
Girls (in my experience of club security) do not tend to follow the same rules are guys, in a fight. They will bite, scratch and go for the nuts. You might think that you have restrained a girl, only to get a bite on the cheek or a knee in the nuts.
I carry anywhere between 20-50 kgs on most guys, so if one of them hits me I should do nothing because I out weigh him?

Duggy747

If she knows how to throw a punch she should know how to take one.

I wouldn't be surprised if I threw a punch at a guy twice the size of me, built like brick shìthouse and he swung back at me.

One thing I've seen from some women fighting is that they're completely vicious and don't follow the same rules guys do in a fight (biting, pulling hair, scratching, nut shots, etc), often seen girls use their heels as weapons.

You try restraining a woman riled up from a fight and she'll only get more vicious if you don't let her go (plus her pals might join in and give you a few nice kicks in the face)

Feisar

yizorselves wrote: »

Thats complete bullsheeeet! Its that pussified attitude that lets scum get away with it over and over again

I agree with the sentiment but them's the rules. It's the law. My life/career etc. does not need an assault charge against me. Besides I've been involved in various combat sports over the years, a box in the face isn't something I'm to bothered about.

norrie rugger

Feisar wrote: »

I agree with the sentiment but them's the rules. It's the law. My life/career etc. does not need an assault charge against me. Besides I've been involved in various combat sports over the years, a box in the face isn't something I'm to bothered about.

So a broken nose, teeth, cheek bone is nothing to worry about? What about lacerations and bruises? If I go out for a few drinks I should not have to contend with that crap from anyone

Given the situation, man or woman yeah. Im not sexist

Feisar

norrie rugger wrote: »

The Gardaí are traing to do so and also have the back up of their partner.
Girls (in my experience of club security) do not tend to follow the same rules are guys, in a fight. They will bite, scratch and go for the nuts. You might think that you have restrained a girl, only to get a bite on the cheek or a knee in the nuts.
I carry anywhere between 20-50 kgs on most guys, so if one of them hits me I should do nothing because I out weigh him?

It's not a case of doing nothing but to be legally self defense it must be proportionate to the threat. So if a lad of about 65Kg soaking wet swings for you, it's going to be hard to prove self defense if you batter him into a pulp. Now if he starts handing out crisp one two's and knows what he's at it's a different story.

Boskowski

Q: why do keep beating your wife?

















A: your honour. I think it's my superior footwork and better range

Feisar

norrie rugger wrote: »

So a broken nose, teeth, cheek bone is nothing to worry about? What about lacerations and bruises? If I go out for a few drinks I should not have to contend with that crap from anyone

I totally agree I'm just stating the law's point of view as I understand it. Note, I'm not a solicitor so I may be wide of the mark.

And what you're describing above is a sustained assault in which case you'd be within your rights to defend yourself.

Professey Chin

Jester252 wrote: »

A guy can over power a girl no problem. There is other ways on disabling the person then hitting them. A guy has a good 10 kg on a girl. He can take her down just by sheer force alone. The guards are able to detain suspects without hitting

All absolute nonsense. Some guys are small. Some women are complete tanks youd need an electrified net to restrain.

Fuinseog

utopianruins wrote: »

At what point is it ok for a bloke to strike a girl?

spanking is okay.

ejmaztec

The Great Chinholio wrote: »

All absolute nonsense. Some guys are small. Some women are complete tanks youd need an electrified net to restrain.

Couldn't agree more

Feisar

norrie rugger wrote: »

The Gardaí are traing to do so and also have the back up of their partner.
Girls (in my experience of club security) do not tend to follow the same rules are guys, in a fight. They will bite, scratch and go for the nuts. You might think that you have restrained a girl, only to get a bite on the cheek or a knee in the nuts.
I carry anywhere between 20-50 kgs on most guys, so if one of them hits me I should do nothing because I out weigh him?

Plus who in their right mind is going to have a go at you!?!? You must be about 120Kg? That's like taking on two people. I'm about the 105Kg and never get any bother.
Also if I was going to bars crap like this was happening me regularly I'd change my choice of venue.

Jester252

Jester252 wrote: »

There is other ways on disabling the person then hitting them.

why on earth would you want to hit them after disabling them, that's just mean

antodeco

As has been said, if she's 'big' enough to punch/kick me expect to be hit back. That goes for anybody of any size. I may get a hiding from it, but I'd rather get a hiding while making them think twice about hitting someone, than just get a hiding.

norrie rugger

Feisar wrote: »

It's not a case of doing nothing but to be legally self defense it must be proportionate to the threat. So if a lad of about 65Kg soaking wet swings for you, it's going to be hard to prove self defense if you batter him into a pulp. Now if he starts handing out crisp one two's and knows what he's at it's a different story.

If someone is swinging at me and I can end it with one punch then I will. I will not be trying to "restrain" them and leave myself open for further assault.

On your next comment.
One punch can open up a cut or break teeth/bone. Especially if the person has rings on their fingers

norrie rugger

Feisar wrote: »

Plus who in their right mind is going to have a go at you!?!? You must be about 120Kg? That's like taking on two people. I'm about the 105Kg and never get any bother.
Also if I was going to bars crap like this was happening me regularly I'd change my choice of venue.

How did you guess:D

Feisar

norrie rugger wrote: »

If someone is swinging at me and I can end it with one punch then I will. I will not be trying to "restrain" them and leave myself open for further assault.

On your next comment.
One punch can open up a cut or break teeth/bone. Especially if the person has rings on their fingers

All seems fair enough so.

foxyboxer

Never hit back.

Press charges and hit them where it really hurts!

Jester252

The Great Chinholio wrote: »

All absolute nonsense. Some guys are small. Some women are complete tanks youd need an electrified net to restrain.

A girl punching a guy is not the same as a guy punching a girl. Males are much stronger than female its a fact of life.

norrie rugger

Jester252 wrote: »

A girl punching a guy is not the same as a guy punching a girl. Males are much stronger than female its a fact of life.

It's a fact of life that it does not take a lot to injure somebody either.

Dravokivich

Jester252 wrote: »

A guy can over power a girl no problem. There is other ways on disabling the person then hitting them. A guy has a good 10 kg on a girl. He can take her down just by sheer force alone. The guards are able to detain suspects without hitting

It appears you have missed the context of my earlier response. It's a quote from "In Bruges." And then the guy ends up getting attacked by a woman with a bottle. There can be a need to be physical against anyone, even a woman.

Arawn

Im a big guy, if she done it to me I would of thrown her like a javelin.

hondasam

It's not ok for a girl to hit a guy and expect him to just take it without defending himself.
I would expect him to push her away but not to punch her. Majority of men would not hit a girl regardless of her actions.

vangoz

In many cases women take advantage of knowing men will not fight back, it is then men who are rendered vulnerable due to this situation. This makes the attack all the more "scumbagish" on the women's part. This is just an observation on the few times ive seen such incidences and does not apply to all cases.

I personally would never hit a women, but I'd certainly slap a bitch... I kid!:p

Also just to add, some people regardless of gender have different fight or flight responses. Some can react calmly to a situation and have restraint, others can go into berserk mode when physically provoked, even if they are mild mannered in regular circumstances.

Chuck Stone

Jester252 wrote: »

There is other ways on disabling the person then hitting them.

So ya like to beat up disabled people is it?

Shame on you. :mad:

SEANoftheDEAD

Wow, there are some amount of responses to the thread. Cheers.
Just to clarify, he didnt punch her, he grabbed her and threw her to the ground, then walked off.

It seems to be in the majority of him been in the right, in this particuler case.

Of course its not cool to go around beaten women, that goes without saying, but thats not what this thread is about. Its about is it ok to strike a women if she is punching and kicking you.

Brinimartini

Jester252 wrote: »

Its never okay for a guy to hit a girl.

Absolute prissy rubbish.Some girls/women benefit from the odd clout.

Fizman

I had an 'incident' a few years back, and posted about it before. Oh, and I'm not normally a violent man.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=58121812

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kinetic^
I wouldn't hit a woman if she hit me........ anywhere else but the nuts.



Ok then, allow me to put forward an exception to your rule!

About 18 months ago, myself and a fine lady friend of mine were strolling out of the city after a night out. Both of us were well juiced as we strolled out the Ennis Road toward home. It was a fine summers night. That was until three 'girls' aged 18/19 came into my vision and were walking in our direction. Being nicely sauced, I thought nothing of them approaching (respectable area-not known for trouble). That was until they were yards away, and one of them decided to throw her lit cigarette off my chest.

They had walked a few yards past, and I turned and was like 'WTF'? Now to say that these three fine ladies were anything less than skangbots would be untrue, and one of them walked up to me and threatened to do everything to me. Then she turned to my female friend and swung an open handed swipe at her, catching her on the very top of her head. She wound up, ready to swing at her again, so I leaned in to get her away from her. This is where it got 'interesting'.

With me now in the way, skanger #1 decides to swing her arm in my direction, landing it, and scratching the sh1t out of my neck with four of her nails. I warn her and say do not fcuking do that again. She did. Caught me right on the mouth this time. At this point skanger #2 and #3 were directly behind her, roaring and screaming. What made it worse was that one of them was still trying to swing at the girl I was with, so I wasn't just dealing with one. Then skangbot # 1 decides to start throwing kicks, and lands a few knees directly on my thigh muscle. I was not enjoying this experience, and it was pretty fcuking new to me! Being 6'2" and fairly broad n all! Then the switch was flicked. She pressed the red button! No, she didn't land a kick to my balls.

"She starting spitting directly into my face"! Four times.

Now before this, I had realised I was a little bloodied.She had also ripped the sh1t out of my favourite shirt (RIP). But when the spitting started......ding fcuking dong!!!

I turned to my lady friend and said "Sorry about this" and smashed yer one straight into the side of her face. Yep, I did what had to be done. I could not have connected any better! I went over to the other two and grabbed them both by the neck, and told em to "fcuk off or I could possibly beat the life out of the three of ye".

They fcuked right off. It looked as if they continued into the city centre to look for more. My mate was in town the following day and said that he saw two knackers, one of which had the left side of her all bandaged up. Could have been her, who knows.

I remember the following morning there was an international rugby match on early and some uncles had come over to watch it. I walked in with different clothes on (went back to hers and she gave some of her brothers stuff to put on seeing as 'the' shirt was in tatters), told em all the story, and they all thought that what I did had to be done.

hondasam

Brinimartini wrote: »

Absolute prissy rubbish.Some girls/women benefit from the odd clout.

You realise how stupid that looks don't you?