Bog defeats Shell drilling machine.

Morag

Shipped into the country last night was a Shell drilling machine which weighs 160 ton. It arrived in Dublin had a Garda escort all the way to Mayo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NSFNaKh4e8

Where it jackknifed on the road and is now sinking into the Bog. And there's no cranes in the country which can lift it out. :pac:

mikemac1

Why don't shell pay for their own security instead of using all those gardaí

Don't we have a thread today about garda response times

SEPT 23 1989

Plenty of cranes in Ireland can lift that

up for anything

Who pays for the garda escort? When my friend shipped her prefab house into this country from Germany they had to do escort duty themselves from Rosslare to the site at 5 miles per hour in front of the all the lorries as they arrived.

Tombi!

The gardaí have the right idea.
If we escort them we might get a few euro worth of the oil!

connundrum

Lol, thats gas!

Duggy747

Cue obligatory My Oil & Gas - Ireland & Norway video

later12

mikemac1 wrote: »

Why don't shell pay for their own security instead of using all those gardaí

Don't we have a thread today about garda response times

It's possible that they are paid by Shell I think. I know the Gardai who work inside the gates at concerts are paid by concert organisers.

I don't have a great amount of sympathy with the Shell to Sea protesters, but I must admit I did enjoy this story. Something about the idea of mother nature being on the side of the underdog, perhaps.

Ficheall

What's with the crap video?

Hardonraging

Be grand hey, just hook her up to the tractor and we'll pull her out....

Robbo

Duggy747 wrote: »

Cue obligatory My Oil & Gas - Ireland & Norway video

And "Rabble Rabble Burke sold our resources to Shell for a pint of Smithwicks and a packet of dry roasted knowing there was eleventy trillion metric ****loads of gas there, all proven and in handily exploited territory".

up for anything

later12 wrote: »

It's possible that they are paid by Shell I think. I know the Gardai who work inside the gates at concerts are paid by concert organisers.

I dislike the thought of private enterprise paying the Gardaí to do security even more than I would dislike the bill coming out of the taxpayer's pocket. Do they have their full garda super powers when engaged privately or do they become common or garden security?

GLaDOS

Is there any link to this machine falling into the bog?

Google brings up this thread, and the video seems to not help at all.

ZETOR_IS_BETTER

Does not look like its bogged down though..

Pictures

Article

Just cant navigate Irish roads :pac:

ITS_A_BADGER

Thats what the ****ing thing was! this went by my house at 5am monday morning i was like wtf is going on, as the couldn't navigate around a mini roundabout and were stuck for like 20mins the're was 4-5 lorries all stuck one after another and a huge garda escort and a butt load of traffic stopped behind them after it aswell

later12

up for anything wrote: »

I dislike the thought of private enterprise paying the Gardaí to do security even more than I would dislike the bill coming out of the taxpayer's pocket. Do they have their full garda super powers when engaged privately or do they become common or garden security?

I've seen people arrested at gigs, so full garda superpowers I guess.

Mind you, they weren't wearing capes and their underwear was inside their fashionable polyester breeches, so I can't be certain.

Fenian Army

later12 wrote: »

It's possible that they are paid by Shell I think. I know the Gardai who work inside the gates at concerts are paid by concert organisers.

I don't have a great amount of sympathy with the Shell to Sea protesters, but I must admit I did enjoy this story. Something about the idea of mother nature being on the side of the underdog, perhaps.

They can claim back expenses against tax on profits down the line anyway, so either way we pay.

Wouldn't matter if Shel do pay the cops, they are divirted away from other duties

later12

Fenian Army wrote: »

They can claim back expenses against tax on profits down the line anyway, so either way we pay.

Wouldn't matter if Shel do pay the cops, they are divirted away from other duties

The whole point about the security firms paying for the service is that the Garda HQ can fill their shifts using other Gardai with minimal cost, so on-the-beat police presence shouldn't be affected by private events.

Any gardai or associated personnell might be able to confirm the situation; I'm just basing this on media reports around the time of the Swedish House Mafia massacre of 2012.

Fenian Army

later12 wrote: »

The whole point about the security firms paying for the service is that the Garda HQ can fill their shifts using other Gardai with minimal cost, so on-the-beat police presence shouldn't be affected by private events.

Any gardai or associated personnell might be able to confirm the situation; I'm just basing this on media reports around the time of the Swedish House Mafia massacre of 2012.

Yeah but there isnt enough Garda...

But as I said, one way or another we still pay.

Chucky the tree

up for anything wrote: »

I dislike the thought of private enterprise paying the Gardaí to do security even more than I would dislike the bill coming out of the taxpayer's pocket. Do they have their full garda super powers when engaged privately or do they become common or garden security?

Of course they have their full powers, would be not point in hiring them otherwise.

Fenian Army wrote: »

They can claim back expenses against tax on profits down the line anyway, so either way we pay.

Wouldn't matter if Shel do pay the cops, they are divirted away from other duties

No there not.

Cabaal

Sharrow wrote: »

Where it jackknifed on the road and is now sinking into the Bog. And there's no cranes in the country which can lift it out. :pac:

But thats not even what happened......as much as I dislike http://www.shelltosea.com/ it says:

A large tunnel boring machine brought in by Shell to dig a 4.9km tunnel under Sruwaddacon Bay inland to the Bellanaboy gas processing terminal is stuck at a crossroads in Co Mayo as it is too large to navigate the narrow roads.

later12

Fenian Army wrote: »

Yeah but there isnt enough Garda...

But as I said, one way or another we still pay.

I don't understand. If there are not enough Gardai, that has nothing to do with private companies.

They pay for the Gardai they get so that the state is not left out of pocket to replace them by organizing schedules so that other Gardai are put on regular duty instead. Unless there is a very small station and a big demand for private security, that wouldn't be rocket science. I'm sure the impact is minimised by taking Gardai from various stations.

Morag

http://www.urban75.net/forums/threads/irish-bog-swallows-up-shell-convoy.297076/

Shell TBM stuck in the bog - huge lorry jackknifed on turning on bog road - road sinking under its weight - driver refusing to enter vehicle as too dangerous - neat illustration of truth of safety of project claims - From a house overlooking the site where Garda were refusing to allow anyone to leave the building so they txted pics to us to put up

https://www.facebook.com/WorkersSolidarityMovement/posts/500048706687614

We are hearing from Rossport that that Shell CorribTBM that is sinking weighs 160 ton & no crane of that capacity is available in Ireland that can lift it out - may be stuck days or longer - they say if you can travel now is the time to get down there - it won't be over in hours

Mint Sauce

Could she just not drill her self out?

:pac:

Fenian Army

later12 wrote: »

I don't understand. If there are not enough Gardai, that has nothing to do with private companies.

They pay for the Gardai they get so that the state is not left out of pocket to replace them by organizing schedules so that other Gardai are put on regular duty instead. Unless there is a very small station and a big demand for private security, that wouldn't be rocket science. I'm sure the impact is minimised by taking Gardai from various stations.

We are out of pocket because they can claim the expenses down the line...

LiamoSail

Fenian Army wrote: »

They can claim back expenses against tax on profits down the line anyway, so either way we pay.

Wouldn't matter if Shel do pay the cops, they are divirted away from other duties

Bastard foreign companies coming over here, paying into our economy..

If it were a choice between Shell or Mayo, I wish Mayo would fook off to sea

ITS_A_BADGER

LiamoSail wrote: »

Bastard foreign companies coming over here, paying into our economy..

If it were a choice between Shell or Mayo, I wish Mayo would fook off to sea

:eek: harsh much?

DrumSteve

irish-stew wrote: »

Could she just not drill her self out?

:pac:

They're China's problem now.

Where To

Seen a lot worse than that sorted within minutes when there were no Health and Safety or unionised truck driver heads around.;)

mikemac1

Bog 1 - modern technology 0

Lord of the Bongs

mikemac1 wrote: »

Why don't shell pay for their own security instead of using all those gardaí

Don't we have a thread today about garda response times

they do. they are the ones that look like protesters but are not. you can tell the difference easily as the guards never touch them and they are always seen blocking roads and beating locals up.

Logical_Bear

up for anything wrote: »

When my friend shipped her prefab house into this country from Germany they had to do escort duty themselves from Rosslare to the site at 5 miles per hour in front of the all the lorries as they arrived.

somehow I dont think your friends prefab would of been attacked by crusties or the other blow ins causing the hassle.

LiamoSail

ITS_A_BADGER wrote: »

:eek: harsh much?

Probably a bit flippant alright, but I've absolutely no time for the shell to sea protests, or the percentage of locals up there who have ever put a tick beside the Flynn name on a ballot card

bbam

Its all well and good having a laugh at Shell's misfortune... Every cent they spend getting the gas out will be less money paid to the state for any gas extracted...
Every delay caused by shell to sea, every extra security guard they employed, all reduce the payback to the state as it can all be offset as a "cost of extraction" of the gas..

In many people's opinion we struck a poor enough deal for returns from the gas in the first place but the NIMBY crowd are just helping shell avoid more and more payments...

Typical modern Irish attitude..

We don't want the gas extracted without making a big fuss...
We don't want wind turbines..
We don't want overhead power lines..
Incinerators... no thanks
Farmers spreading slurry on their own land, no thanks that's smelly
Don't want to pay teachers, nurses and guards their salaries but complain when standards fall..


Damn it... what do people want, to be back in the 1800's digging crusty spuds out of their gardens !

Thatnastyboy

Re: cranes not able to lift more tham 160t :pac::pac::pac:


If you dont trust one, use two

http://www.irishcranehire.com/2009/crane_item.php?crane=7

http://www.irishcranehire.com/2009/crane_item.php?crane=9

actuallylike

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2012/0731/breaking14.html

From the article...

There were scuffles with guards and people’s clothes were torn. One woman had her trousers torn off.

:pac:

I need a video of this!

Thatnastyboy

actuallylike wrote: »

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2012/0731/breaking14.html

From the article...



:pac:

I need a video of this!

Hopefully it was the tanned wan from thejournal.ie's pictures :pac:

recylingbin

I know plenty of people who could lift that.

Cienciano

Fenian Army wrote: »

They can claim back expenses against tax on profits down the line anyway, so either way we pay.

Wouldn't matter if Shel do pay the cops, they are divirted away from other duties

up for anything wrote: »

I dislike the thought of private enterprise paying the Gardaí to do security even more than I would dislike the bill coming out of the taxpayer's pocket. Do they have their full garda super powers when engaged privately or do they become common or garden security?

They more than likely have to have proper gardai to escort this thing across the country. It's probably a legal requirement. Therefore, this is their duty.

Tym

http://www.urban75.net/forums/thread...convoy.297076/

Doesn't look stuck to me:O

Damn it... what do people want, to be back in the 1800's digging crusty spuds out of their gardens !

Yup. A lot of people have that grass is greener in the past attitude. Oh where men were men, the clergy were respected and the government wasn't corrupt:rolleyes:

Capt'n Midnight

who planned the route ?

AFAIK there are 800 tonne mobile cranes in Cork

ejmaztec

Tym wrote: »

Yup. A lot of people have that grass is greener in the past attitude. Oh where men were men, the clergy were respected and the government wasn't corrupt:rolleyes:

How to hone corruption skills was the first order of government business in 1922.

Where To

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

who planned the route ?

AFAIK there are 800 tonne mobile cranes in Cork

They don't even need one capable of lifting 160 tonne.

Shell to Sea and the truth are mutually exclusive.

twinytwo

bbam wrote: »

Its all well and good having a laugh at Shell's misfortune... Every cent they spend getting the gas out will be less money paid to the state for any gas extracted...
Every delay caused by shell to sea, every extra security guard they employed, all reduce the payback to the state as it can all be offset as a "cost of extraction" of the gas..

In many people's opinion we struck a poor enough deal for returns from the gas in the first place but the NIMBY crowd are just helping shell avoid more and more payments...

Typical modern Irish attitude..

We don't want the gas extracted without making a big fuss...
We don't want wind turbines..
We don't want overhead power lines..
Incinerators... no thanks
Farmers spreading slurry on their own land, no thanks that's smelly
Don't want to pay teachers, nurses and guards their salaries but complain when standards fall..


Damn it... what do people want, to be back in the 1800's digging crusty spuds out of their gardens !

id be more worried about the fact that becuase of past corrupt goverments, the country will lose out on hunderds of billions of euro from said oil and gas.

msg11

Shell really want that gas, have to laugh at that quote about your one getting her trousers thorn off.

It's a funny owl protest there all wack balls, bet half them don't even know what there protesting about.

B.A._Baracus

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

who planned the route ?

AFAIK there are 800 tonne mobile cranes in Cork

The million dollar question.
Who the hell planned the route and how did they forsee narrow roads as not a problem?

LiamoSail

twinytwo wrote: »

id be more worried about the fact that becuase of past corrupt goverments, the country will lose out on hunderds of billions of euro from said oil and gas.

The deal struck was sound. There was no guarantee that it was financially viable to extract the gas when the deal was done. The deal was no different to similar deals done in similar areas

The West coast of Ireland is not the North Sea, hence the odds were far higher of making a viable find then in the likes of the North Sea and the value of the deal reflected this

As an aside, I'm not defending FF, I have absolutely no time for them, but in this case I can't criticise

Capt'n Midnight

Where To wrote: »

They don't even need one capable of lifting 160 tonne.

Shell to Sea and the truth are mutually exclusive.

Yeah that trailer looks like it has 8 axles.

Max weight per axle is 10 tonnes - and that includes the weight of the trailer. max weight for a 4 axle bogie is 24 tonnes - so the load may only be 40 tonnes http://www.rsa.ie/Documents/Vehicle%20Std%20Leg/Vehicle%20regs/Weights_Dimensions_Leaflet.pdf

[edit] has more rear axles and the front of the trailer is resting on the tractor unit - so weighs more [/edit]



yes permits may allow heavier loads, but there would have been bridges and culverts en route


Or instead of a crane do like they did at the mines - use a large bucket excavator to lift up it up a bit.


[edit]Mr Hynes confirmed the weight of the lorry and its load was about 170 tonnes[/quote] - tractor, trailer , load - still plenty of mobile/crawler cranes that can handle that

Johnnio13

How many Gardai are used in this transport?
That appears to be serious overkill.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2012/0731/breaking14.html?via=mr

Mr Benevolent

They must be bored out of their mind.

seamus

If you didn't have a big camp of foreign crusties threatening to incite violence and vandalism, the Garda presence wouldn't be necessary.

Don't complain about the Gardai, complain about the scumbags - they're the reason the Gardai are there.

In any case, I actually can't see any Gardai in the main image on the site...