Everton Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours 2018 NEW WARNING FROM MODS

eh i dunno

Baines is back today.

Bret Hart

Lukaku again. Sixth game in a row. 1-0 Everton.

Gavlor

Need to take those chances

FatRat

Honestly... How many f*cking more important goals can we concede from corners?

Gavlor

Watford, Bournemouth, palace and now Norwich.

Champions league my arse

eh i dunno

Gavlor wrote: »

Watford, Bournemouth, palace and now Norwich.

Champions league my arse

Yep forget about top 4 with so many draws. Game should have been over at ht

Joshua J

Well we all saw that coming and that's the problem. The only thing that matters is the "philosophy". He relegated Wigan without changing anything to try and keep them up. Waved cheerio and comes into Everton boasting how he'll get us champions league. Has a good first 6 months and since we've been the most Jekyll and Hyde team I've ever seen. But he won't change. Ever. That's why if the board ever think we need to change tactically, even slightly, then he has to go cause he won't. If you can't defend, and we can't, you've no hope of champions league.

nice_guy80

We don't practice taking corners, according to Martinez

We clearly don't practice defending them anyway

Defending corners is all about teamwork and defending as a unit. Everyone has a job and must do it.

Gavlor

But Martinez is a nice guy and Everton are lucky to have him.

We could end up with david o'leary if he leaves

eh i dunno

If we hadn't thrown away 6 points in the last 3 games we'd be in the title race. Martinez needs to practice defending set pieces.

Was looking mirallas to play more the last few weeks but his performance today showed his head is set on a transfer. Still think we need a replacement for kone.

And a new keeper is a must. Valdes in January?

Laois_Man

nice_guy80 wrote: »

We don't practice taking corners, according to Martinez

Did he actually say that?

Where?

eh i dunno

Laois_Man wrote: »

Did he actually say that?

Where?

Heard that myself. Not worth it apparently

Laois_Man

eh i dunno wrote: »

Heard that myself. Not worth it apparently

Yes I have heard it loads of times too nut never actually seen where he said it. I have seen where he has said the opposite though (just this week for example). Is it one of those things that gets repeated so many times, it becomes regarded as fact even when its not?

Joshua J

Laois_Man wrote: »

Yes I have heard it loads of times too nut never actually seen where he said it. I have seen where he has said the opposite though (just this week for example). Is it one of those things that gets repeated so many times, it becomes regarded as fact even when its not?

From Osmans book,

Another difference between the managers is their approach to set-pieces. With Moyes, we could spend an hour and a half on Fridays going through routines because he was so meticulous in that aspect. If I was a manager, I'd probably do the same because fine lines can determine games. He hated losing goals at set-pieces because it was something he could influence." "Martinez doesn't really do that. It's rare for us to work on set-pieces. You're given your roles, you're supposed to understand them and if you don't, find out, think for yourself. That was a big changeover for us."
"We questioned why we weren't working on set-pieces and Graeme Jones, the assistant manager, said: "How many do you have to defend in a game? Three? So why would we spend two hours standing around to defend three set-pieces when we could work on moving the ball.

eh i dunno

What happened to the next big thing http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/dec/17/george-green-ossett-everton-oldham-tranmere?CMP=share_btn_tw

nice_guy80

eh i dunno wrote: »

What happened to the next big thing http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/dec/17/george-green-ossett-everton-oldham-tranmere?CMP=share_btn_tw

Happens to a lot of promising young players

On another note, I reckon we'll beat Leicester today
4-3

Gavlor

He still comes across as a tit in that article. Just goes to show how important the correct mentality is.

I also think we'll beat Leicester. 3-1 for me

Lumbo

It's plain to see where the problems are but Everton are 3-1 down at home and there still hasn't been a change. Everton won't win **** all with Martinez in charge. Nice on the eye, mid table mediocrity that has nothing to do with investment.

Brian?

Gavlor wrote: »

He still comes across as a tit in that article. Just goes to show how important the correct mentality is.

I also think we'll beat Leicester. 3-1 for me

So close to being right

eh i dunno

2 wins in 10. Martinez out for me

Gavlor

Gavlor wrote: »

He still comes across as a tit in that article. Just goes to show how important the correct mentality is.

I also think we'll beat Leicester. 3-1 for me

Silly me!

If you always do what you've always done then you'll always get what you've always got.

No change, no ideas, no system, no chance

Brian?

eh i dunno wrote: »

2 wins in 10. Martinez out for me

Won't happen, unfortunately. We'll recover in the new year and finish 8th. It's depressing how predictable this is for us.

Joshua J

Can one of the mods change the title to "Wigan Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread"?. Ta.

Lumbo

Howard and Kone need replacing.

Hercule Poirot

Mirallas' lack of game time is criminal

eh i dunno

Hercule Poirot wrote: »

Mirallas' lack of game time is criminal

Esp when kone is playing poorly and not good enough. Sooner jags and McCarthy back the better. New keeper is a must and a left winger or just play mirallas there.

nice_guy80

Martinez is so stubborn and set in his ways.
He's like the Trappatoni of the premier league

Gavlor

what is so frustrating is how stagnant the club is at the moment. The owners, stadium, investment, manager etc.

The likes of lukaku, stones and Barkley will be sold sooner rather than later and while the short term finances will get a boost it'll further cement the spiral into insignificance that has taken over the club. Spurs, West Ham, city either have or will surpass Everton and given the financial backing at the likes of palace and Leicester they could soon join that list.

All well and good rival fans saying at least we aren't a Leeds or a villa but we're only a couple of bad transfer windows away.

Gavlor

https://twitter.com/philmcnulty/status/678350708115132416

eh i dunno

Not a mention anywhere of Martinez getting sacked unfortunately. Who do we get to replace him?

Hercule Poirot

I'd go abroad - Ronald de Boer would my choice

eh i dunno

I had a look at next manager odds and can't believe who the favourite is. David moyes.

Think I'd chance howe or maybe mark Hughes. Not a great choice to pick from

Gavlor

Quique Florez anyone?!

Lumbo

Roberto won't be sacked.

Gavlor

Lumbo wrote: »

Roberto won't be sacked.

Not as long as the cast from last of the summer wine are in charge

eh i dunno

Seeing kenwright in the crowd yesterday he looked very ill. Saying that most of us look ill watching everton lately. Martinez is getting an easy ride with the media because he's a nice man but it's now obvious he's out of his depth. Howard and kone should be benched ASAP and we badly need jags and Mccarthy back.

Laois_Man

Pretty good synopsis of the current state of affairs...

Liamalone

That video should be about 3 minutes shorter, lot of waffling. He's just starting what's blatantly obvious to everyone except Martinez.

Gavlor

This article from Michael ball sums it up fairly well.

Martinez is a one trick pony

https://twitter.com/livechoefc/status/679026473068421120

eh i dunno

Since August 2014 Martinez has a win % of 30%. How is he not under more pressure?

Gavlor

eh i dunno wrote: »

Since August 2014 Martinez has a win % of 30%. How is he not under more pressure?

It's a bit mental alright. The media seem to think that mid table obscurity is good enough for little old Everton

thebaz

Gavlor wrote: »

It's a bit mental alright. The media seem to think that mid table obscurity is good enough for little old Everton

Given the current ownership , lack of ambition, mid table obscurity unfortunately is what is realistic - If we sack Martinez , do you believe Mourinho or Pep G will come to Goodison ??
sadly its a long time since Everton have been a top 5 club in all areas. With the right funding , the team could really move on, but we have been in slow decline under Bill K reign of broken promises.

Gavlor

thebaz wrote: »

Given the current ownership , lack of ambition, mid table obscurity unfortunately is what is realistic - If we sack Martinez , do you believe Mourinho or Pep G will come to Goodison ??
sadly its a long time since Everton have been a top 5 club in all areas. With the right funding , the team could really move on, but we have been in slow decline under Bill K reign of broken promises.

The ownership is a huge issue and is the main reason why we are stagnant. However if you consider our current squad and the fact that Leicester, palace, Stoke all have more points in 2015 (not this season, the calendar year) and WBA have only 2 points less then I think the manager and coaching staff need to be questioned.

49 points in 12 months is abysmal given the talent in the squad.

Hercule Poirot

I knew things weren't great but that win % is a joke - if that had been Moyes we would all be baying for his head. I fear that Martinez will be left to his own devices unless we are in true danger of relegation - by which stage our best talents will have left and no decent manager would want to look at us

thebaz

Gavlor wrote: »

The ownership is a huge issue and is the main reason why we are stagnant. However if you consider our current squad and the fact that Leicester, palace, Stoke all have more points in 2015 (not this season, the calendar year) and WBA have only 2 points less then I think the manager and coaching staff need to be questioned.

I know Leicester are doing well, and are being talked up as league winners , but realistically they are an average team , punching above there weight - I'd be amazed if they re in the top 4 by April - evey few years small team does it - Sothampton, Swansea etc . - but consistently they are in a different league to Man Utd, Arsenal, Chelsea and now City

wally79

thebaz wrote: »

I know Leicester are doing well, and are being talked up as league winners , but realistically they are an average team , punching above there weight - I'd be amazed if they re in the top 4 by April - evey few years small team does it - Sothampton, Swansea etc . - but consistently they are in a different league to Man Utd, Arsenal, Chelsea and now City

Leicesters manager is good but not great. I think that's all we need. Bobby is stubborn in preparation and execution and all the media sound bites about being in a great moment don't change that

Hercule Poirot

wally79 wrote: »

Leicesters manager is good but not great. I think that's all we need. Bobby is stubborn in preparation and execution and all the media sound bites about being in a great moment don't change that

Leicester's defence is very poor but they paper over the cracks with their attacking panache - we had over 65% possession against them and they still scored three times

nice_guy80

Not clinical enough in front of goals if you ask me.

Low risk 'If in doubt, put ball into row Z' defending is needed

eh i dunno

200m US takeover talk in the times tomorrow. Hopefully it goes through and they have a manager and a keeper lined up

Lumbo

6 weeks to look at the books. I'll believe this when they're drinking pints in the Winslow and eating scouse pies. One good sign is that it's s creditable newspaper (despite its owner) and a decent jouranalist reporting it.