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Esse85

Summer In the City wrote: »

No. He has slightly more wins.

As a fan of Everton for almost 25 years this season has been one of the worst. It's amazing the team got to 40 points as soon as they did. At the same time getting Allerdyce in was a massive knee jerk. Yeah the team were struggling but they were never going down. Now we're stuck with Sam or have to pay massive money to get rid.

Hopefully the next manager actually cares about the club because the last two certainly didn't.

Premier league record

507 matches
199 losses
172 wins
136 draws

https://www.premierleague.com/managers/2049/Sam-Allardyce/overview

Summer In the City

Esse85 wrote: »

Premier league record

507 matches
199 losses
172 wins
136 draws

https://www.premierleague.com/managers/2049/Sam-Allardyce/overview

I stand corrected. I was using wiki and included a championship season.

JoeA3

Why are ye even replying to this guy lads? I’m reading this as a total neutral ... ye are clearly being trolled.

Just stop replying to the nonsense / ignore it and he might get the hint eventually.

nice_guy80

He's clearly a kopite

wally79

“Allardyce’s fearful approach doing Everton no favours”

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soccer/english-soccer/allardyce-s-fearful-approach-doing-everton-no-favours-1.3455017?mode=amp

Leroy42

It is true though that under Koeman the season was looking like a car crash. The team was playing really badly, there was little hope that they would get better (hence why he was fired) and it was quite conceivable that Eventon would spend the year in, or close to, the relegation zone.

Whilst I think that getting SA was a poor decision, as I think that bringing in any decent manager with the players that were at the club would have been sufficient to ward off the relegation threat, I also understand why the club went with him.

If they had gone for a young championship level manager, or a young foreign manager, the big risk would be that they would struggle to settle the ship and be facing into a prolonged relegation fight. Worst scenario would be that the idea failed and the new manager struggled and wilted under the pressure, Everton continued to slide, and the club were forced to act again in the middle of relegation fight.

So SA has done the job he was brought in to do. Sure the football is pretty awful, but not compared to what went before it, only compared to expectations. Given the terrible start to the season, and the difficulty there can be in turning that around, I think SA has done the job he was tasked with.

Part of the problem, IMO, is that people are basing their expectations on what they thought was going to happen at the start of the season. Instead, one needs to forget that and think of the situation facing the team when Koeman was fired. The club seemed to be totally unprepared for just how bad things were, and had no back up plan. It was clear that had put everything in the Koeman basket and when that failed they seemed not to have an idea what to do next. Upson was a disaster and so going with a proven relegation survivor when the natural step.

The problem is that he should have always been seen a a stop gap, a firefighter. And maybe behind the scenes he is. Give him an 18 month contract to make it look like he will be there for a while, as we all know how players act when they think the manager won't be around too long. It could well be that the club have every intention of moving him on (they get saved, he gets a nice bonus) and going with a new manager.

eagle eye

Nice post Leroy, if all Everton fans were like you then I probably would never have posted in this thread about Sam Allardyce.

Rekop dog

Leroy42 wrote: »

The problem is that he should have always been seen a a stop gap, a firefighter. And maybe behind the scenes he is.

I agree with most of your post except this point. There's no evidence to suggest he can't take them to the next level. There's plenty of evidence he can take championship or struggling Prem sides to their realistic peak which is secure midtable or a Europa spot. That certainly doesn't mean he's limited to that pigeon hole. With the same pragmatic and moneyball policies there's no reason he can't take Everton to their realistic peak which with the money available is far higher than any of his previous sides.

Now I've no issue with people who's sole reason for not wanting him at Everton is his hard to watch style but I'll also argue those who think they *need* a better style to progress higher, that's certainly not true.

Hercule Poirot

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/sam-allardyce-explains-anomaly-davy-14506390

He's a clown, the sooner he's gone the better

lawred2

Hercule Poirot wrote: »

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/sam-allardyce-explains-anomaly-davy-14506390

He's a clown, the sooner he's gone the better

"Davy Klaassen is still an anomaly to me, as to will he or won't he?

what the f**k does that even mean?

eagle eye

lawred2 wrote:

what the f**k does that even mean?

That is telling you that he is not doing it in training.

Hercule Poirot

eagle eye wrote: »

That is telling you that he is not doing it in training.

In that case Schneiderlin must be bossing it during training because he does **** all on the pitch

eagle eye

Hercule Poirot wrote:

In that case Schneiderlin must be bossing it during training because he does **** all on the pitch

This often happens.

Hercule Poirot

eagle eye wrote: »

This often happens.

No it doesn't, what does often happen is that a manager is too stupid/blind/lazy/incompetent to drop a player who is clearly not putting the shift in when it matters

Johnmb

With a bit of luck the board will have been working quietly behind the scenes and have Brands and a decent manager signed up and ready to be announced as soon as the season is done, but before the transfer window opens. The day after the final match, they can thank Allardyce and Walsh for their work and let them go, then a couple of days later (out of curtesy) announce the new team. But by having them in place quietly long before then it means they can hit the transfer window at full pace from the start rather than only being appointed halfway through it!

house45

This is Everton , NOTHING is ever straght forward .

eagle eye

Hercule Poirot wrote:

No it doesn't, what does often happen is that a manager is too stupid/blind/lazy/incompetent to drop a player who is clearly not putting the shift in when it matters

Well I know it happens a lot. I'm not guessing.

nice_guy80

We are painful to watch

Gavlor

nice_guy80 wrote: »

We are painful to watch

Since 1987

Hercule Poirot

Where's eagle eye and Rekop dog?

Thought one of them might come in to defend Allardyce's decision to take off a winger for a centre back just after they equalised - top managerial decision right there......

eagle eye

Hercule Poirot wrote: »

Where's eagle eye and Rekop dog?

Thought one of them might come in to defend Allardyce's decision to take off a winger for a centre back just after they equalised - top managerial decision right there......

Pep Guardiola changed his formaton at half time against Liverpool after bossing the first half and they lost.
I'd bet you'd cream yourself if Pep Guardiola took the Everton job despite the fact that he made a huge mistake tactically against Liverpool.

I didn't see the Swansea game yesterday so can't comment on it. Maybe he felt they were in danger of conceding another? I don't know but you got a point away against a side who had won their previous four at hiome beating Arsenal, Liverpool, Burnley and West Ham in those fixtures so it sounds like a very good point to me.

dubrov

eagle eye wrote:

I didn't see the Swansea game yesterday

Says it all really

thebaz

eagle eye wrote: »

I don't know but you got a point away against a side who had won their previous four

as said above the football is painful to watch - perpetually last on match of the day - for the amount of money spent we expect more than celebrating a point against Swansea , a lucky point at that (again)

eagle eye

thebaz wrote:

as said above the football is painful to watch - perpetually last on match of the day - for the amount of money spent we expect more than celebrating a point against Swansea , a lucky point at that (again)

I'm sure Liverpool, Arsenal and Burnley expected more too but they got nothing from their trips.

Johnmb

eagle eye wrote: »

I'm sure Liverpool, Arsenal and Burnley expected more too but they got nothing from their trips.

They at least tried for a win. We go to a relegation threatened team, with no pressure, and noting to lose, and Allardyce sets us up to play for a draw. That's the level of his ambition, and the ambition of any team that hires him...

Telecaster58

I wonder how Sky are going to promote Monday night's game against Newcastle?
"The race for 9th is on. Which of these two sleeping giants will take a giant stride to finish the season as top dog?"

SickBoy

Wenger looking for a job in a few weeks time.
I'd love if we could nab him for a couple of seasons.

Hercule Poirot

SickBoy wrote: »

Wenger looking for a job in a few weeks time.
I'd love if we could nab him for a couple of seasons.

He will rightly go down as a legendary manager but it appears, from the outside, that he indulges underperforming players - we have too many of them for it to work

Saying that, compared to who we have now he'd be a major upgrade

eh i dunno

Hercule Poirot wrote: »

He will rightly go down as a legendary manager but it appears, from the outside, that he indulges underperforming players - we have too many of them for it to work

Saying that, compared to who we have now he'd be a major upgrade

If he brought in arteta as assistant with a view to him becoming manager in a few seasons I'd be interested

Hercule Poirot

eh i dunno wrote: »

If he brought in arteta as assistant with a view to him becoming manager in a few seasons I'd be interested

That's not a bad idea to be fair, but being realistic I couldn't see him managing another Premiership team - I'm sure he'll end up back in France

eh i dunno

Any good films on TV around 8pm tonight?

dubrov

eh i dunno wrote:

Any good films on TV around 8pm tonight?

"Summer of Sam" is one to avoid

Summer In the City

Whatever happens next season I hope we don't see a mid three of Schneiderlin Guaye and Rooney again.

eagle eye

I could hear Allardyce roaring at his players to get out and move up the pitch. You still have the lead but you might lose it if the players keep sitting deeper.

Gavlor

eagle eye wrote: »

I could hear Allardyce roaring at his players to get out and move up the pitch. You still have the lead but you might lose it if the players keep sitting deeper.

great insight. You should consider coaching

eagle eye

It's not an insight, I could hear it on the TV at one stage.
Your response is so childish imo.

Summer In the City

He just said the teams passing ability has nothing to do with him, the coach.

eagle eye

No, he said that he doesn't make the passes, the players do. He was saying that the players are at fault for the bad passes not the coaching

Summer In the City

eagle eye wrote: »

No, he said that he doesn't make the passes, the players do. He was saying that the players are at fault for the bad passes not the coaching

If the players can't pass that rests on the coaches shoulders.

It's a basic skill of the game like.

It wouldn't be like Big Samuel to take any responsibility though.

eagle eye

Well the fact is that there were some very bad passes made tonight but I would be blaming the individual players for them personally.

Summer In the City

eagle eye wrote: »

Well the fact is that there were some very bad passes made tonight but I would be blaming the individual players for them personally.

Maybe if it was a once off. Its not though.

Minderbinder

Summer In the City wrote: »

eagle eye wrote: »

No, he said that he doesn't make the passes, the players do. He was saying that the players are at fault for the bad passes not the coaching

If the players can't pass that rests on the coaches shoulders.

It's a basic skill of the game like.

He will get round to it after he teaches them how to wipe their noses and colour in their colouring book.

dubrov

I saw very little attempted passing out there. The tactic seemed to be to hoof it up the pitch and work off the scraps.

Anyway it won't matter soon. I'm sure Arsenal have tapped Sam up already and we are currentlyin compensation negotiations to two-year him. They are looking for someone with his experience to take the club to the next level.

Rekop dog

You'd far greater possession and made more than 100 more passes than Newcastle last night. It wasn't all hoof ball, it was in fact a wide variety depending on different situations. Some of you here are letting your agenda completely mask your ability to analyse a game.

And above all another win for the club, something I'm afraid you'll have to get used to if Sam stays.

Shanotheslayer

Rekop dog wrote: »

And above all another win for the club, something I'm afraid you'll have to get used to if Sam stays.

I'll make a bet for next season that if Big Sam stays at Everton he'll have less than 50% win percentage in the league if you're willing to match the bet?

Rekop dog

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

I'll make a bet for next season that if Big Sam stays at Everton he'll have less than 50% win percentage in the league if you're willing to match the bet?

Yeah go on then, I've 50% or more.

jayo26

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

I'll make a bet for next season that if Big Sam stays at Everton he'll have less than 50% win percentage in the league if you're willing to match the bet?

That wouldn't be much of a bet seen as Everton have only finished up in the league with a 50 percent or over win percentage in 3 out of the last 30 odd season's.

Interestingly under Sam even tho he started later and has games to go they have already 17 wins which is something they rarely do.

Will be interesting to see what players he brings in this summer to shape the team the way he wants it.

Rekop dog

jayo26 wrote: »

That wouldn't be much of a bet seen as Everton have only finished up in the league with a 50 percent or over win percentage in 3 out of the last 30 odd season's.

Interestingly under Sam even tho he started later and has games to go they have already 17 wins which is something they rarely do.

Will be interesting to see what players he brings in this summer to shape the team the way he wants it.

It's irrelevant what went before considering they've much more money to spend than they ever have. Completely different measurables now.

lawred2

can we stop feeding it?

Hercule Poirot

lawred2 wrote: »

can we stop feeding it?

No! It needs to be fed goddammit!