racist judge

mikemac1

Yes, this one

The Chairperson of the Irish Polish Society, Anna Szewc, has said that she is outraged at her initial comments. She said comments like these do nothing to help people from other countries integrate with the Irish people.

Killian Forde, from the Dublin-based Integration Centre, said her initial comments were “absolutely disgraceful”. He told the Herald her apology was insufficient.

Forde originally considered making an official complaint to the police about Devins’ comment saying “It's the only way to do it. It's the first time I imagine there has been a judge complained about.”

The Centre called the apology “rambling, contrived and spurious statement,” according the Irish Examiner’s report.

These plans have since been retracted.



Read more: http://www.irishcentral.com/news/Irish-judge-apologizes-for-calling-states-social-welfare-a-Polish-charity-164858986.html#ixzz22U3mNlgw

The Irish Polish Society also accepted her apology while maintaining her original comments were “inappropriate and irresponsible".

Szewc said “Should there be something done about it? I don’t think so.

"If it happened again maybe there should be some consequences from that, but you know sometimes people get emotions, you can always explain that with something else.

"But that's good that she apologized for that."



Read more: http://www.irishcentral.com/news/Irish-judge-apologizes-for-calling-states-social-welfare-a-Polish-charity-164858986.html#ixzz22U36D3zJ

If the apology is accepted why are the posters here more offended then the Poles themselves

inforfun

imme wrote: »

what drivel

the accused was either speeding or he wasn't speeding or whatever was the reason for the case, where's the legal lingo involved in that. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

I have no idea but then again, i have never been in (irish) court and i like to keep it that way.
But if i end up there, i like to be prepared as well as i can and that would include an interpreter.
Just dont like the chance to screw myself because of a misunderstanding.

Now you can rolleye again.

Tzymische

mikemac1 wrote: »

If the apology is accepted why are the posters here more offended then the Poles themselves

No idea.
No one should be offended by so called 'racial' abuse as there wasnt any at all.

However, we all (yes Irish and Polish alike), should be offended by stupidity displayed by the Judge...

imme

inforfun wrote: »

Just dont like the chance to screw myself because of a misunderstanding.

Now you can rolleye again.

:rolleyes:

Nodin

mikemac1 wrote: »

Yes, this one



If the apology is accepted why are the posters here more offended then the Poles themselves

Not having interviewed every pole, I can't say. As for people here, presumably they expect more from a sitting Judge.

_feedback_

mikemac1 wrote: »

If the apology is accepted why are the posters here more offended then the Poles themselves

Maybe some people want better from a Judge.

geeky

mikemac1 wrote: »

Yes, this one



If the apology is accepted why are the posters here more offended then the Poles themselves

Perhaps because she's made us all look like a bunch of backwoods, sh1tkicking thicks?

xyl.az

Honestly, she should be fired on the spot... Sorry but this is a disgrace not only for the judge but for the whole system and the fact that they are accepting such behaviour speaks more than any apologies...

The other fact is that they should really do something with all these social 'benefits' - this is a pathology and should be stopped as soon as possible as it breeds hundreds of thousands of social welfare zombies... There are several generations of people now who are living off the social welfare only and never even bothered to think about a job. This is degeneration of the society to put it simply. All social payments should be cut by at least 50%, preferably 75%.

az

SocSocPol

xyl.az wrote: »

Honestly, she should be fired on the spot... Sorry but this is a disgrace not only for the judge but for the whole system and the fact that they are accepting such behaviour speaks more than any apologies...

The other fact is that they should really do something with all these social 'benefits' - this is a pathology and should be stopped as soon as possible as it breeds hundreds of thousands of social welfare zombies... There are several generations of people now who are living off the social welfare only and never even bothered to think about a job. This is degeneration of the society to put it simply. All social payments should be cut by at least 50%, preferably 75%.

az

I'm sure the severly disabled, the elderly, those with severe intellectual or physical incapacity would welcome your call that they be left homeless and starving.:mad:

Pappa Charlie

Mary treats everyone with the same distain in her courts - Solicitors, Gardai, court staff and defendants / witnesses. Just not a nice person and totally unsuitable to her position. The lack of accountability coupled with being a politican appointment means people like her can get into these positions and then remain there even though obviously unsuitable to all who encounter her. But this is Ireland!

xyl.az

SocSocPol wrote: »

I'm sure the severly disabled, the elderly, those with severe intellectual or physical incapacity would welcome your call that they be left homeless and starving.:mad:

I'm sorry but this statement is misleading, manipulative and has nothing to do with the whole situation.

Elderly and disabled have their own legal guardians, they have their own NGOs and charity organizations that are taking money FROM the government (and other sources) to help them and being specialists they are doing it in a much better and efficient way than social welfare giving them money for life...

We're not talking here about elderly or disabled people, we're talking here about degenerates who are leeching money of the system and about the system that creates a criminal pathology...

thanks
Az

TwoShedsJackson

Tzymische wrote: »

As I said before - I am Polish - and if someone will call me a Fat Polish c***t - I really dont see why would be Fat and Polish offensive to me.
Yes I am fat (sad but true) and yes I am Polish. This is merely statement of fact. Calling me a c***t is whole different story... but racism? C'mon!

If someone calls you a fat Polish **** they are intending the entire phrase to be insulting, lumping being Polish in with being fat and being a ****, none of which they regard as desirable. So the facts of whether you are fat or are Polish mean nothing, they mean it as an insult.

SocSocPol

xyl.az wrote: »

The other fact is that they should really do something with all these social 'benefits' - this is a pathology and should be stopped as soon as possible as it breeds hundreds of thousands of social welfare zombies... There are several generations of people now who are living off the social welfare only and never even bothered to think about a job. This is degeneration of the society to put it simply. All social payments should be cut by at least 50%, preferably 75%.

az

All, thats what you said, All social payments, so no manipulation at all in my reply to your extreme and ill thought out genalization.

xyl.az wrote: »

I'm sorry but this statement is misleading, manipulative and has nothing to do with the whole situation.
Elderly and disabled have their own legal guardians, they have their own NGOs and charity organizations that are taking money FROM the government (and other sources) to help them and being specialists they are doing it in a much better and efficient way than social welfare giving them money for life...
Yeah you wish! Learn about the subject before you hit the keyboard.

We're not talking here about elderly or disabled people, we're talking here about degenerates who are leeching money of the system and about the system that creates a criminal pathology...

thanks
Az

A deeply insulting innaccurate and highly misrepresentative description of those 440,000 unfornuates in our society that have lost their jobs. Goebbels couldn't have framed a piece of extreme right wing crap better.

hawkelady

SocSocPol wrote: »

xyl.az wrote: »

The other fact is that they should really do something with all these social 'benefits' - this is a pathology and should be stopped as soon as possible as it breeds hundreds of thousands of social welfare zombies... There are several generations of people now who are living off the social welfare only and never even bothered to think about a job. This is degeneration of the society to put it simply. All social payments should be cut by at least 50%, preferably 75%.

az

All, thats what you said, All social payments, so no manipulation at all in my reply to your extreme and ill thought out genalization.

xyl.az wrote: »

I'm sorry but this statement is misleading, manipulative and has nothing to do with the whole situation.
Elderly and disabled have their own legal guardians, they have their own NGOs and charity organizations that are taking money FROM the government (and other sources) to help them and being specialists they are doing it in a much better and efficient way than social welfare giving them money for life...
Yeah you wish! Learn about the subject before you hit the keyboard.

We're not talking here about elderly or disabled people, we're talking here about degenerates who are leeching money of the system and about the system that creates a criminal pathology...

thanks
Az

A deeply insulting innaccurate and highly misrepresentative description of those 440,000 unfornuates in our society that have lost their jobs. Geobells couldn't have framed a piece of extreme right wing crap better.

Who or what is "geobells"????

SocSocPol

hawkelady wrote: »

Who or what is "geobells"????

Joseph Goebbels was a German politician and Reich Minister of Propaganda in Nazi Germany from 1933 to 1945,he was Hitlers mouthpiece!

xyl.az

SocSocPol wrote: »

All, thats what you said, All social payments, so no manipulation at all in my reply to your extreme and ill thought out genalization.



A deeply insulting innaccurate and highly misrepresentative description of those 440,000 unfornuates in our society that have lost their jobs. Goebbels couldn't have framed a piece of extreme right wing crap better.

You know what, I'm not really in the mood for this... You can twist the truth however you like but it won't change anything... That's called politics right?

And fyi I was working in a deaf association for 2 years so yeah I know how NGOs work... Besides your propaganda isn't even relevant to this topic... I'm off to work anyway, enjoy the thread

Grayson

PhlegmyMoses wrote: »

I wouldn't remove her from her position for this. It would be incredibly harsh based on a single error. An apology should be sufficient in this case.

As someone else pointed out, this indicates a negative predisposition towards a particular group of people. There may be other groups. This bias could result in excessive sentancing.
In addition, it was a bloody stupid thing to say. Even if she does hold a predjudice against one or more nationalities, she should know better than to crack a stupid joke like that. Personally, I want our judges to be unbiased and fair. But i also don't want them to be fecking morons. Our judicary make ruling that have huge effects on the lives of people. i would hope that they would be amongst the smartest people out there.

pochedereves wrote: »

I don't now what she is apologizing for, she only said what every hard-working tax-paying Irish person is thinking. The cheek of what some of those people do (I'm not saying all). I've heard of people who are claiming for their children here and back in Poland, they should be ashamed. Do you think we'd get away with that over there? Not a chance. The government need to take care of their own before they start trying to save the rest of the world. This judge shouldn't need to apologize. Go back home if you don't like how things are run here.

As soon as I hear a phrase like that warning bells go off.

Do me a favor. if you don't like the population of this country why don't you just feck off. Trust me, it would make the whole country just that marginally less racist.

Sappa

Looks like there was some truth in the judges remarks,sindo did a piece on it today where they have statistics proving a 25% of Polish here are claiming social welfare.
Actually shocked at that figure

Higher

Sappa wrote: »

Looks like there was some truth in the judges remarks,sindo did a piece on it today where they have statistics proving a 25% of Polish here are claiming social welfare.
Actually shocked at that figure

According to that same article its only slightly higher than the Irish figure in the new statistics and is due to the collapse of construction in Ireland.

Also

"Relatively few Poles, 2.32 per cent or 2,083, are found amongst the 89,735 citizens on One-Parent Allowance, whilst the Polish take-up of other schemes such as Back to Education, Farm Assist and Pre-retirement allowance is even smaller. Currently 36,700 people are receiving such benefits, of which 670 or 1.83 per cent are Poles."


"The figures indicate that whilst unemployment levels are relatively high amongst the Polish community, the overall impact on Irish unemployment figures and costs -- 23,905 or 4.39 per cent of the total -- is still peripheral."

smeedyova

The writer of this makes a very valid point:

http://www.irishexaminer.com/opinion/judges-apology-does-not-sit-well-with-me-202884.html

Judge’s apology does not sit well with me

Friday, August 03, 2012
Judge Mary Devins’ conditional apology for her bizarre remarks in court does not sit well with me.
In a case where the defendants sentence was tailored to take into account his ill considered anti-Polish remarks issued while drunk, it is astounding that the court should hear more anti-Polish remarks from someone as sober as a judge.

It’s not just a case of ‘if anyone was offended’ Judge. The courts cannot tolerate racist remarks from either side of the judges’ tables, and especially not the bench.

Offence could be the least of it. Should the impression go out, that a non-national can expect ‘a certain view’ to be taken of them in court, because of their status, then that would be an appalling state of affairs for Irish justice.

The excuse given was that she was thinking about some other Polish people who had been before the court. The defendant in this case was not Polish, his remarks were anti Polish, which is why the judge who originally convicted him specified a Polish charity should benefit as a fitting lesson in tolerance and proper behaviour.

That concept seems to have flown over the head of Judge Devins who undid all of that work, by giving the impression, that she in her sober state was not impressed with the Polish people either.

What message does that give to him, in undermining Judge Gibbons’ ruling? Next time you want to make racist remarks, say it while sober?

Tim Hourigan
Kennedy Park
Limerick