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Notorious Judge strikes again.

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  • #32
    johngalway
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,271 ✭✭✭✭johngalway


    starbelgrade wrote: »
    In it's ideal form, the penal system should aid the reform of people who break the law. In that way, society as a whole is improved.

    Your solution - which is to just kill criminals - serves no purpose other than to sate your own blood lust. It also doesn't work - in the states in America where the death penalty exists, the crime rates are as high (and sometimes higher) than those which don't have it.

    Any time there's a thread like this, there's the populist cry of "kill them all" as a solution to criminals in society, but in reality it's ill thought out and utterly pointless logic.

    When you get around to creating your ideal society get back to me. Communism is another thing which works, "ideally".

    Until then "ideals" don't stop criminals, only honest, law abiding people who aren't the problem to begin with.

    Ireland has an impotent set of laws which regularly sees criminals convictions over turned, or freed early.

    Oh and by the by, if you read the thread, you'll discover the "populist" thinking is that the "judge done bad".


  • #33
    CatFromHue
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,359 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatFromHue


    "He also branded Tyrone people as "typically thick", but again was forced to make a public apology for the remark."

    Sounds all right by me :pac:


  • #34
    starbelgrade
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,739 ✭✭✭✭starbelgrade


    johngalway wrote: »
    "ideals" don't stop criminals

    Killing a criminal might stop him committing any more crimes, but it fails to address the problem of crime itself. To do that, you must address the reasons behind why crime exists, have sufficient ways of dealing with crime when laws are broken and introduce ways to try to reform those who do break the law.

    You can "pooh-pooh" this as being just ideological nonsense, but your alternative - which is to introduce more dranconian laws - is proven to have no effect. That is the reality.

    And when reality fails to live up to the ideal which it hoped to create, then it really is time to try another solution.

    What you are failing to acknowledge is that the notion of trying to stop crime by putting an end to the life of criminals is also another ideology, but it simply doesn't work, much in the same way that you say that communism doesn't work.


  • #35
    Boombastic
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,496 ✭✭✭Boombastic


    conorhal wrote: »
    Our gombeen politicians are 'accountable' to the populace. So I'd imagine that we'd see an increase rather than a decrease in idiot judges if that became the case. Judge Fidelma Healy Eames anybody?

    That said, we badly need judicial reform and judges to climb out of their ivory towers once in a while.

    FHE is many things, but a judge is not one of them!!



    Judges in general seem have have their own little world.


  • #36
    johngalway
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,271 ✭✭✭✭johngalway


    starbelgrade wrote: »
    ideological nonsense

    That's exactly what it is, the country we live in is far from perfect so legislating for an ideal world is as good as pissing in the ocean to put out a fire on land.

    The liberal agenda of mollycoddling criminals has spectacularly failed in this country. It is time to change the game and bring in proper laws that go in favour of law abiding society so people don't have to be afraid in their own homes or walking through their own towns and cities.


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  • #37
    twinQuins
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,199 ✭✭✭twinQuins


    johngalway wrote: »
    That's exactly what it is, the country we live in is far from perfect so legislating for an ideal world is as good as pissing in the ocean to put out a fire on land.

    The liberal agenda [...]

    Come on now, Rush, don't you have a radio show to be presenting?


  • #38
    Caliden
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,981 ✭✭✭Caliden


    SocSocPol wrote: »
    Caught red handed, pleaded guilty, but thanks to a gombeenman Judge his conviction has been qushed!:mad:

    Yeah because weed is such a dangerous drug....


  • #39
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    johngalway wrote: »
    That's exactly what it is, the country we live in is far from perfect so legislating for an ideal world is as good as pissing in the ocean to put out a fire on land.

    The liberal agenda of mollycoddling criminals has spectacularly failed in this country. It is time to change the game and bring in proper laws that go in favour of law abiding society so people don't have to be afraid in their own homes or walking through their own towns and cities.

    Scandanavia = liberal modern reform dedicated system = low crime.
    US = hang em high = high crime.

    I'd suggest we try the former.


  • #40
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Caliden wrote: »
    Yeah because weed is such a dangerous drug....

    The crime is actually irrelevant. The fact is yer man the Judge is a liability as the crap he comes out with means people go free.


  • #41
    johngalway
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,271 ✭✭✭✭johngalway


    Nodin wrote: »
    Scandanavia = liberal modern reform dedicated system = low crime.
    US = hang em high = high crime.

    I'd suggest we try the former.

    Sure, let's have our own Andres Behring Breivik, who if proven sane will spend no more than 21 years in prison luxury accommodation with flat screen TV, sushi, people employed to play chess and sports with him, and over night visits should he want them. All at taxpayers expense.

    That'll sure learn the hell out of him for being a naughty Scandanavian and murdering 77 people using guns and bombs.

    God damn it, I mean it really must grate with some people that he wasn't one of those gun crazy, murdering scumbag yanks.

    We should all be more Scandanavian, they have all the right answers :rolleyes:


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  • #42
    johngalway
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,271 ✭✭✭✭johngalway


    Nodin wrote: »
    The crime is actually irrelevant. The fact is yer man the Judge is a liability as the crap he comes out with means people go free.

    The law disallowing him make some of the comments he's made is the liability.


  • #43
    SocSocPol
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,043 ✭✭✭SocSocPol


    johngalway wrote: »
    The law disallowing him make some of the comments he's made is the liability.
    So essentially you would prefer anarchy? Hmm nope, i will go with the Law myself, and if the law is to mean anything then those who dispense justice must act within the law and be answerable to the law.
    As for your earlier comments regarding Scandanavia , well apart from being infantile and innaccurate they also showed how litttle you actually know about penal policy both here and abroad.


  • #44
    Pottler
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,073 ✭✭✭Pottler


    Lower court judges are just appointees, it's a nice way of rewarding your pals/family/loyal supporters. As you move up the legal tree, the standard improves, as do the intelligence levels. The level of "out of touchery" sadly, just gets greater. Personally, I have little time for the judiciary, I'd be fairly sure if I chose 1 random judge and decided to pull his life apart on a forensic level, I'd have enough to bury him within a few weeks.

    There may be notable exceptions. Sadly, that's fairly true in many cases as you climb the greasy pole of power. If you are looking for paragons of virtue and intelligence, you may have to look elsewhere. The power afforded to a judge within his courtroom pretty much intoxicates and you get muscle flexing like the "how dare you speak to me like that". Judges are people, they're just inflated by the power they have over those unfortunate enough to appear before them. Also, as people, they all have flaws and weaknesses. Some just have a "way" with words.:)


  • #45
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    johngalway wrote: »
    Sure, let's (.......)right answers :rolleyes:

    So you're saying that scandanavia does have lower crime stats, denying they have lower crime stats?

    ...or are you just doing the old 'biased sample' routine to cover the fact that the hang em high approach hasn't worked? Because whatever about having "all the right answers", clearly they've managed to come up with a lot more in regards to reducing crime than others so tasked.
    johngalway wrote: »
    The law disallowing him make some of the comments he's made is the liability.

    O - and what were these choice nuggets of wisdom that you refer to?


  • #46
    johngalway
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,271 ✭✭✭✭johngalway


    SocSocPol wrote: »
    So essentially you would prefer anarchy? Hmm nope, i will go with the Law myself, and if the law is to mean anything then those who dispense justice must act within the law and be answerable to the law.
    As for your earlier comments regarding Scandanavia , well apart from being infantile and innaccurate they also showed how litttle you actually know about penal policy both here and abroad.
    Nodin wrote: »
    So you're saying that scandanavia does have lower crime stats, denying they have lower crime stats?

    ...or are you just doing the old 'biased sample' routine to cover the fact that the hang em high approach hasn't worked? Because whatever about having "all the right answers", clearly they've managed to come up with a lot more in regards to reducing crime than others so tasked.



    O - and what were these choice nuggets of wisdom that you refer to?

    Instead of tamely trying to insult me, you could actually read the thread. It contains the answers to the questions you've asked, for some reason you seem to have missed them.

    But why let that spoil a good rant eh :)


  • #47
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    johngalway wrote: »
    ..........It contains the answers to the questions you've asked, for some reason you seem to have missed them.

    .........

    The only comments from the Judge that I see in this thread are of the reactionary, stupid and prejudicial kind. Thus I'm forced to ask what useful remarks hes prevented from making (according to you).


  • #48
    SocSocPol
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,043 ✭✭✭SocSocPol


    johngalway wrote: »
    Instead of tamely trying to insult me, you could actually read the thread. It contains the answers to the questions you've asked, for some reason you seem to have missed them.

    But why let that spoil a good rant eh :)
    Nothing I could say could be as insulting to you as the what you yourself have posted.
    The only one ranting, and inanely so, is yourself.


  • #49
    johngalway
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,271 ✭✭✭✭johngalway


    Asked & answered Nodin, you're being pedantic :) They're there, you can read them at your leisure.

    On the other hand, if you're somehow attempting to twist my remarks then you won't see the answers I've given.

    It's completely up to you whether you choose to read back or not.


  • #50
    johngalway
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,271 ✭✭✭✭johngalway


    SocSocPol wrote: »
    Nothing I could say could be as insulting to you as the what you yourself have posted.
    The only one ranting, and inanely so, is yourself.

    If you want to let my comments bother you, go for it. I stand by the comments I've made in this thread.

    Our opinions differ, build a bridge there buddy :)


  • #51
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    johngalway wrote: »
    If you want to let my comments bother you, go for it. I stand by the comments I've made in this thread.

    Our opinions differ, build a bridge there buddy

    This nonsense? Dear o dear.
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=80050004&postcount=15

    You seem to be confused over something else as well. The fact is that the Scandavians have a lower rate of crime, and run regimes with an emphasis on rehabilitation. Thats not an "opinion" or something that will change because it doesn't happen to be what someone wants to hear.


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  • #52
    Cookie_Monster
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,625 ✭✭✭✭Cookie_Monster


    Wacker The Attacker wrote: »
    How is anyone supposed to know if a dead burglar was being threatening or not?

    as long as you shout 'watch out Ned he's coming right for us.' it's fine


  • #53
    Pottler
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,073 ✭✭✭Pottler


    Cookie_Monster wrote: »
    as long as you shout 'watch out Ned he's coming right for us.' it's fine
    A friend, who may or may not be an upholder of the law told me to shoot the burglar first, dead, then fire a warning shot into the ceiling. Forensics gets it very hard to tell which was fired first, apparently. This is, obviously, very bad advice. Ceilings cost a lot of money to fix.


  • #54
    MaxSteele
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,109 ✭✭✭MaxSteele


    Thought I recognized that name alright.

    Sean lives down the road from my grandparents up north. I remember shaking hands with him once in the pub when I was a sprout.

    My da and grand father drank with him regularly. Supposed to be actually quite sound/down to earth and you probably wouldn't realize he's a judge from what the aul fella just told me there. Bit mad too though.


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