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Salary Increases For Ministerial Advisers

  • 06-08-2012 8:45am
    #1
    Avatarr
    Registered Users Posts: 150 ✭✭


    Many ministerial advisers have seen their salaries increase to reward them for their first year in the job.

    http://pulse.me/s/bWZlR

    I woke this morning with a renewed sense of optimism, John Joe won our first medal last night, the sun is shining and the birds are singing.

    Then I read article above:
    1. Are we not bankrupt?
    2. Are we not running a huge budget deficit?

    This government are nuts, how do they think this is sustainable, not only are they not tackling the deficit, they are making it worse.

    Enda - are we really all in this together??


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  • #2
    ednwireland
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,476 ✭✭✭✭ednwireland


    Avatarr wrote: »

    Enda - are we really all in this together??

    whatever made you think that ?


    i said as soon as the pay cap was breached (because they are worth it probably) that i wont give FG / Labour a vote agian (dont ask me who i'm going to vote for - no idea). to break what i thought was a key ele ction promise so early was just typical of a do i say not as i do attitude. politicians dont seem to think anything applies to them.

    My weather

    https://www.ecowitt.net/home/share?authorize=96CT1F



  • #3
    beeroclock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 237 ✭✭beeroclock


    I think they deserve it and I hope they raise my prsi and taxes so I can pay for this as they are doing a stand up job

    Seeing how they lead by example I think they should raise VAT too so I can help them out even more.


  • #4
    Head The Wall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,892 ✭✭✭Head The Wall


    Avatarr wrote: »
    Many ministerial advisers have seen their salaries increase to reward them for their first year in the job.

    http://pulse.me/s/bWZlR

    I woke this morning with a renewed sense of optimism, John Joe won our first medal last night, the sun is shining and the birds are singing.

    Then I read article above:
    1. Are we not bankrupt?
    2. Are we not running a huge budget deficit?

    This government are nuts, how do they think this is sustainable, not only are they not tackling the deficit, they are making it worse.

    Enda - are we really all in this together??

    So here you are moaning about these PS workers getting their increments just for doing their job but yet in the other thread you want to keep getting your increments also for just doing your job.


    The hypocrisy is strong in this one!!!!!!


  • #5
    Avatarr
    Registered Users Posts: 150 ✭✭Avatarr


    Head The Wall wrote: »
    So here you are moaning about these PS workers getting their increments just for doing their job but yet in the other thread you want to keep getting your increments also for just doing your job.


    The hypocrisy is strong in this one!!!!!!

    Head the wall, another thread and another personal rank, well at least your consistent.

    Do other posters a favour and send me private message, no need to follow my threads around to leave your caustic remarks.


  • #6
    Head The Wall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,892 ✭✭✭Head The Wall


    Well your posts are hypocritical, and I will stand over what I posted. Don't make hypocritical posts and you won't get called out on it.


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  • #7
    Avatarr
    Registered Users Posts: 150 ✭✭Avatarr


    Head The Wall wrote: »
    Well your posts are hypocritical, and I will stand over what I posted. Don't make hypocritical posts and you won't get called out on it.

    Pathetic!!!!!!!!!!


  • #8
    Scofflaw
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,283 ✭✭✭✭Scofflaw


    Right - handslaps for both of you. Put the handbags down and go outside for a minute.

    moderately,
    Scofflaw


  • #9
    Jaysoose
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,212 ✭✭✭Jaysoose


    Is anybody really surprised by this?

    This government does not have a clue what its doing and has shown this time and time again by making the same mistakes as its predecessor without any regard for the reality of the situation the country is in.

    Continues to show a complete lack of innovation or progressive ideas to bring Ireland out of this depression added to no backbone when dealing with the unions and the public service.

    The only thing Enda and Gilmore have shown any aptitude at is crawling on their bellies to the troika but even then he sells out the majority to protect himself, his party and the public sector.


  • #10
    Going Forward
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 8,224 ✭✭✭Going Forward


    Mr. Varadkar appears to be completely out of his depth having been given two separate advisors costing US almost E200k. Per year.


  • #11
    Dannyboy83
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,236 ✭✭✭Dannyboy83


    I think it's a bit funny tbh; kind of reminds me of a Monthy Python sketch.

    It's not like anyone can do anything about it anyway so may aswell just laugh.


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  • #12
    molloyjh
    Registered Users Posts: 24,767 ✭✭✭✭molloyjh


    My understanding is that this was all part of the Croke Park agreement, i.e. that increments would remain in exchange for changes in work practices. If so then all that's happening is what should be happening. This isn't really anything new.


  • #13
    listermint
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,141 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    molloyjh wrote: »
    My understanding is that this was all part of the Croke Park agreement, i.e. that increments would remain in exchange for changes in work practices. If so then all that's happening is what should be happening. This isn't really anything new.

    Your understanding is incorrect, the croke park agreement had nothing to do with breaching pay caps for special advisors.

    over to you.


  • #14
    molloyjh
    Registered Users Posts: 24,767 ✭✭✭✭molloyjh


    listermint wrote: »
    Your understanding is incorrect, the croke park agreement had nothing to do with breaching pay caps for special advisors.

    over to you.

    The increments don't apply to them. As the article clearly stated they were already in breach of the pay caps. But don't the pay caps only apply to incoming staff?


  • #15
    Jaysoose
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,212 ✭✭✭Jaysoose


    molloyjh wrote: »
    The increments don't apply to them. As the article clearly stated they were already in breach of the pay caps. But don't the pay caps only apply to incoming staff?


    They must have been deemed worthy of these increases based on ireland's meteoric rise from this current depression.

    obviously.


  • #16
    molloyjh
    Registered Users Posts: 24,767 ✭✭✭✭molloyjh


    Jaysoose wrote: »
    molloyjh wrote: »
    The increments don't apply to them. As the article clearly stated they were already in breach of the pay caps. But don't the pay caps only apply to incoming staff?


    They must have been deemed worthy of these increases based on ireland's meteoric rise from this current depression.

    obviously.

    What increases? The point is that these individuals didn't get any....


  • #17
    Jaysoose
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,212 ✭✭✭Jaysoose


    molloyjh wrote: »
    What increases? The point is that these individuals didn't get any....

    The increases for the special advisers..we are in the same thread no?


  • #18
    itzme
    Registered Users Posts: 338 ✭✭itzme


    Jaysoose wrote: »
    The increases for the special advisers..we are in the same thread no?

    I think the point molloy is making is that the increments don't apply to those already in breach of the pay cap, as stated in the article.

    Before I jump down the throat of those that got increments, I would like to know whether they had a proper performance management system in place for their position.
    If they did and the targets were progressive and important and they met their targets, then aren't they entitled to the increment.
    If they didn't or they didn't meet their targets then they shouldn't have got them.
    So does anyone know if they had a performance review or not, because without that information it seems quite silly to take a position on either side.


  • #19
    molloyjh
    Registered Users Posts: 24,767 ✭✭✭✭molloyjh


    itzme wrote: »
    I think the point molloy is making is that the increments don't apply to those already in breach of the pay cap, as stated in the article.

    Before I jump down the throat of those that got increments, I would like to know whether they had a proper performance management system in place for their position.
    If they did and the targets were progressive and important and they met their targets, then aren't they entitled to the increment.
    If they didn't or they didn't meet their targets then they shouldn't have got them.
    So does anyone know if they had a performance review or not, because without that information it seems quite silly to take a position on either side.

    I'd say probably not, but we don't know for sure.

    And yes the post Jaysoose originally quoted was re those in breach of the pay cap, who didn't get increments.


  • #20
    Jaysoose
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,212 ✭✭✭Jaysoose


    molloyjh wrote: »
    I'd say probably not, but we don't know for sure.

    And yes the post Jaysoose originally quoted was re those in breach of the pay cap, who didn't get increments.


    Yes there is a rather large thread for increments and their validity already i was posting about the absurd notion that ministers advisors are being given increases even though we are in the depths of a depression and not one idea or innovation has been brought forward.

    Its just yet another indication that those people in power are completely removed from the planet earth yet they speak to the electorate like they are children and constantly use the term "the reality is" to justify increases in direct and stealth taxes.

    Not one minister has come out with any credible policy that is making a blind bit of difference but we are to believe that these "advisors" are worthy of pay increases.

    **** that.


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