Morrissey compares London 2012 Olympics to Nazi Germany

Winston Payne

There aren't even superficial similarities. "Win it for Britain!" =! ideas of racial purity and superiority.

4zn76tysfajdxp

Winston Payne wrote: »

He chose that year quite deliberately.

You'd think he'd have mentioned 1936 instead. What with the Berlin Olympics being held that year and all.

Chuck Stone

He has a point (disregarding the Nazi thing). The UK media never shuts the **** up about WWII and the British Army/Navy. When I was watching the opening ceremony I was wondering how much of it they'd dedicate to their armed forces because there was no doubt whatsoever that a chunk of it would be.

The Olympics is going to cost the UK taxpayer upwards of $15 billion with many of the events out of reach to the average Brit. There's not a chance the costs will be recouped and estimations of return on investment are almost always grossly exaggerated.

Winston Payne

Allie Muscular Cornflakes wrote: »

You'd think he'd have mentioned 1936 instead. What with the Berlin Olympics being held that year and all.

I don't think Morrisey's too concerned with complete historical accuracy or relevance. Or making sense.

ArtSmart

Winston Payne wrote: »

There aren't even superficial similarities. "Win it for Britain!" =! ideas of racial purity and superiority.

Allie Muscular Cornflakes wrote: »

You'd think he'd have mentioned 1936 instead. What with the Berlin Olympics being held that year and all.

He's saying that the jingoistic, OTT patriotism from some media in hijacking an event like the Olympics to their own ends, and same with the royals, to offer a false patriotic rallying point, while ignoring the wealth disparity and current cutback on many families, is similar to Hilter's appropriation of sport poverty and patriotism culminating in the 1939 rallies and ultimately war.

phew

'36 would have been nicer, i agree.

yes, a tad OTT, but well, the Tabloid hardly play straight themselves - and when dealing with a bully, the best approach is...

ArtSmart

Winston Payne wrote: »

I don't think Morrisey's too concerned with complete historical accuracy or relevance. Or making sense.

Ah. i see.

Winston Payne

The best approach is to what, go crackers? Go Godwin?

ArtSmart

Winston Payne wrote: »

The best approach is to what, go crackers? Go Godwin?

So therefore what he's saying can be completely dismissed? that it?

Winston Payne

ArtSmart wrote: »

So therefore what he's saying can be completely dismissed? that it?

I don't dismiss what he's saying out of hand because of who he is, no. This particular instance of him speaking out can however be dismissed, because it's untrue. It's also fairly typical. The man loves attention.

Pj!

Veering off topic but Frada, what the hell is your sig pic about?

ArtSmart

Winston Payne wrote: »

I don't dismiss what he's saying out of hand because of who he is, no. This particular instance of him speaking out can however be dismissed, because it's untrue. It's also fairly typical. The man loves attention.

personally i can see some similarities, 'tween some British media and Goebbels gobbled- gook. . but, to each his own.

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Pj! wrote: »

Veering off topic but Frada, what the hell is your sig pic about?

It's Ken Barlow with a load of puppies.

Seanchai

ArtSmart wrote: »

He's saying that the jingoistic, OTT patriotism from some media in hijacking an event like the Olympics to their own ends, and same with the royals, to offer a false patriotic rallying point, while ignoring the wealth disparity and current cutback on many families, is similar to Hilter's appropriation of sport poverty and patriotism culminating in the 1939 rallies and ultimately war.

phew

Phew is right, but he's absolutely correct about how they're using jingoism/nationalism/royalty/all that tabloid flag-waving dross to create a sense of cohesion in a society that is much more unequal today than it was even 30 years ago when Mrs Thatcher was wrapping herself in the Union Jack while making deals with Rupert Murdoch, Augusto Pinochet, Suharto and Apartheid South Africa.

This is little different: in a time of obscene bonuses and payoffs in corporate Britain while unprecedented cuts are going on elsewhere largely because of the fúckups made by corporate London in particular, all this flag waving and jingoism is serving the same purpose of political manipulation that it served for Thatcher in the Malvinas in 1982 or Hitler in the Berlin Olympics in 1936.

BillyMitchel

Word of the day is: jingoistic

Still learning!

SEPT 23 1989

Irishman giving out about the Brits:D

Jorah

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Irishman giving out about the Brits:D

Irish Blood, English Heart

Wacker The Attacker

Why do people pay any attention to anything anyone famous has to say?

I like his music but would never pay any attention to his "rants"

Show Time

He would do better to stick with his s**t ass music.

stovelid

I didn't bother reading what he said but Morrissey is awesome so stfu everybody.

Donnielighto

MrPudding wrote: »

Yeah, I think it is generally accepted that the country runs a fairly big loss for hosting the games, but businesses do fairly well out of it.

MrP

Net economic difference is a loss, usually a fairly large one.

alastair

http://www.tiptopwebsite.com/photos3/thesmithsfile/georgecross.jpg

http://motorcycleaupairboy.com/gallery/data/media/26/MH1_186880_MORRISSEY_6.jpg

I do like Morrissey, but these Olympics are pretty far back in the jingoistic front. The opening ceremony was (skydiving queen excepted) remarkably royal-free, and devoid of pomp. One man's socialist agit-prop for the NHS and multiculturalism is another man's jingoistic Nazi-fest. There's no pleasing everyone.

foxyboxer

"...a fate worse than life"

Seriously? From such a renowned lyricist?

Yawn.

Wacker The Attacker

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGnjrTkv1gs

Bannasidhe

He was looking for publicity and then he found publicity and heaven knows he's a miserable sod.

El Siglo

Morrissey should have remembered the line from Abraham Lincoln: "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt".

Run_to_da_hills

Morrissey is not far off at all in his comparison.

Wasn't it Adolf hitler who changed the Olympic games to what we see today?

BBC NEWS World Europe The Olympic torch's shadowy past

Rings, torch have ties to Hitler's Nazi propaganda

The Nazi Olympics

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1936_Berlin_Games

Patriotic games. Olympics salute to Hitler defeat and other historic events
of past century during opening ceremony

Wattle

It's true that Team GB are winning a shedload of medals right now but I don't expect them to invade Poland anytime soon.

Pumpkinseeds

I'm at that age now(39) that when I hear Morrissey's made an obnoxious comment on something, I just thing 'O Morrisseys off again then', I don't think anyone takes him seriously.

John Doe1

Morrissey could make some dead baby jokes and id still think he was a genius:D

billybudd

For once a celebrity says something thats right and as usual the same non thinking majority of population fail to see the point : wake up!

You may paint ballymun white and it may look a lot better but that does not mean the social and ecconomical disinterested underbelly of society will suddenly feel part of aforementioned society.

We need more people like Morrissey.

alastair

billybudd wrote: »

For once a celebrity says something thats right and as usual the same non thinking majority of population fail to see the point : wake up!

You may paint ballymun white and it may look a lot better but that does not mean the social and ecconomical disinterested underbelly of society will suddenly feel part of aforementioned society.

Would that be the aforementioned society who's majority is non-thinking? Kinda hard to see the attraction there alright. :rolleyes:

billybudd

alastair wrote: »

Would that be the aforementioned society who's majority is non-thinking? Kinda hard to see the attraction there alright. :rolleyes:

You will get there.

alastair

billybudd wrote: »

You will get there.

I'm past there already. Our options are; A. Non-thinking majority, or B. Social and ecconomical disinterested underbelly. Check. :rolleyes:

Morrisseeee

Perhaps I should say a few words..............










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purplepanda

Wattle wrote: »

It's true that Team GB are winning a shedload of medals right now but I don't expect them to invade Poland anytime soon.

Iran will have to do then I suppose :pac:

V_Moth

There is plenty to criticise about the O£ympics (are 13,000 soldiers really necessary?), but Morrissey does it with as much grace as a bull in a china shop. These two articles make for interesting reading:

http://www.cracked.com/article_19733_5-things-they-dont-want-you-to-know-about-olympics.html?wa_user1=1&wa_user2=Sports&wa_user3=article&wa_user4=trending_now

http://www.cracked.com/article_19932_5-creepy-things-london-did-to-prepare-olympics.html?wa_user1=2&wa_user2=Sports&wa_user3=article&wa_user4=trending_now

H2UMrsRobinson

billybudd wrote: »

We need more people like Morrissey.

Yep, that's just what the world needs more of. Opinionated, self righteous vegetarians.