To report, or not report. That is the quistion.

BUBBLE WRAP

So I was at a local fund raiser two days ago, in the local pub. I seen the barman (owner) serving youths alcoholic beverages. (None of their parent were at it.) Which included beer ect. The pub burned down last week. But they had a tent kinda thing in its place at the funraiser. One of the youths inparticular is sold alcoholic beverages on a regular basis. (He is in the pub every secound day.) (Im not one of them youths as im 19.:D) So should I report the owner?

Hande hoche!

What age are these "youths" roughly?

eth0

Wouldn't bother me the slightest. You're going to look like an ould fun-spoiling curtain twitcher if you report them. Could you live with the shame?

BUBBLE WRAP

Hande hoche! wrote: »

What age are these "youths" roughly?

Sorry forgot to include it. They were between 15 -17. There was about nine of them.

BUBBLE WRAP

eth0 wrote: »

Wouldn't bother me the slightest. You're going to look like an ould fun-spoiling curtain twitcher if you report them. Could you live with the shame?

I couldnt care less about the "shame". Its illegal. :mad:

Mena

eth0 wrote: »

Wouldn't bother me the slightest. You're going to look like an ould fun-spoiling curtain twitcher if you report them. Could you live with the shame?

And people wonder where Ireland gets its reputation from...

jimthemental

I don't see that much of a problem with it myself unless all the young crowd were plastered. As a barman I always checked ID but I also grew up in an area where there was no social life outside GAA and drink so I don't think a few young lads going for pints is as bad as a bunch of teenage pregnancies around the place.

Dravokivich

I'd be more concerned about a premises that burnt down was still trading. Surely there's a health and safety issue there?

eth0

BUBBLE WRAP wrote: »

I couldnt care less about the "shame". Its illegal. :mad:

So a bunch of overpaid politicians in Dail Eireann decided it was bad, doesn't mean it will actually do them any harm. I'd say you're just bitter cause nobody allowed you buy drink when you were younger

brummytom

Better them in a pub than a field or street corner.

The Big Red Button

I'd be inclined to mind my own business.

Most teenagers' parents are aware that teenagers that age are drinking, and they would probably be much happier that their kids were drinking a sensible amount in a safe social environment such as at a local fundraiser, than downing naggins in a field somewhere.

Conchir

I think I'd get a sick kind of satisfaction from ending their fun. Not because it's wrong or illegal, but just because it would be good craic.

NegativeCreep

Why would you want to ruin their fun like that? It just sounds like you want to poke your nose in where it isn't wanted tbh. When one of the youths punches you in the face in an alcohol-fueled rage, then report it. Until then, let them have their fun.

dharma200

To grass or not to grass, Bubblewrap, that is the 'quistion'.............

Einhard

What's it to you? To be honest, it'd be a bit of a cuntish thing to do to report the barman.

BUBBLE WRAP

jimthemental wrote: »

I don't see that much of a problem with it myself unless all the young crowd were plastered. As a barman I always checked ID but I also grew up in an area where there was no social life outside GAA and drink so I don't think a few young lads going for pints is as bad as a bunch of teenage pregnancies around the place.

The owner never even asked for I.D. as he knew them well. there was a female bartender there as well. who asked for I.D. She then refused to serve them and was sent home. By the owner.

But back to your point.
I think its an uttar disgraceful for a bartender to serve anyone under the age of 18.

eth0

Mena wrote: »

And people wonder where Ireland gets its reputation from...

What are you blathering on about now?

eth0

BUBBLE WRAP wrote: »

I think its an uttar disgraceful for a bartender to serve anyone under the age of 18

,Joe

NegativeCreep

BUBBLE WRAP wrote: »

The owner never even asked for I.D. as he knew them well. there was a female bartender there as well. who asked for I.D. She then refused to serve them and was sent home. By the owner.

But back to your point.
I think its an uttar disgraceful for a bartender to serve anyone under the age of 18.

Did you never drink when you were under 18?

Hande hoche!

Wouldn't bother myself.

rain10

let the lads have a few drinks your only 19 yourself ( hate to see what you'll be like when your older!!) , its not your problem so why unless someone is getting hurt/injured because of their drinking then do you care , Illegal ? seriously bigger stuff going on in this shame of a country than a group of teenagers having a drink

BUBBLE WRAP

eth0 wrote: »

So a bunch of overpaid politicians in Dail Eireann decided it was bad, doesn't mean it will actually do them any harm. I'd say you're just bitter cause nobody allowed you buy drink when you were younger

chatterpillar wrote: »

I'd be inclined to mind my own business.

Most teenagers' parents are aware that teenagers that age are drinking, and they would probably be much happier that their kids were drinking a sensible amount in a safe social environment such as at a local fundraiser, than downing naggins in a field somewhere.

Conchir wrote: »

I think I'd get a sick kind of satisfaction from ending their fun. Not because it's wrong or illegal, but just because it would be good craic.

Einhard wrote: »

What's it to you? To be honest, it'd be a bit of a cuntish thing to do to report the barman.

Why is it that ye dont care? Its illegal, so I think everything the owner gets, He deserves.

jimthemental

BUBBLE WRAP wrote: »

The owner never even asked for I.D. as he knew them well. there was a female bartender there as well. who asked for I.D. She then refused to serve them and was sent home. By the owner.

But back to your point.
I think its an uttar disgraceful for a bartender to serve anyone under the age of 18.

Ah well if she wasn't up to the job then she was in the way behind the counter. Personally if I knew the owner was okay with some of them I'd let it slide unless they were absolutely taking the piss.

It is a bit dodgy to serve someone underage alright but there's far worse things these kids could be getting up to. I just can't get myself worked up over this issue, everyone I know my own age bar maybe one or two slightly weird individuals went for the odd pint back when they were 16 and 17.

eth0

BUBBLE WRAP wrote: »

Why is it that ye dont care? Its illegal, so I think everything the owner gets, He deserves.

Can you not think for yourself at all, do you depend completely on the shower in the Dail/EU to tell you whats good and what's bad?

jimthemental

BUBBLE WRAP wrote: »

Why is it that ye dont care? Its illegal, so I think everything the owner gets, He deserves.

Profit?:)

Einhard

BUBBLE WRAP wrote: »

Why is it that ye dont care? Its illegal, so I think everything the owner gets, He deserves.

Because I'm not a busybody sticking my nose where it doesn't concern me.

Also, nothing will happen. You report it, and even in the unlikely event that the Gardai do get involved, it's all be denied.

TheChizler

BUBBLE WRAP wrote: »

The owner never even asked for I.D. as he knew them well. there was a female bartender there as well. who asked for I.D. She then refused to serve them and was sent home. By the owner.

You're saying that she was sent home for refusing to serve to under 18 year olds? Personally I wouldn't report them for serving the odd pint as long as they weren't getting pissed or anything, but if the owner is punishing his own staff for refusing to break the law, and opening themselves (the bar staff) to prosecution, then that would be reason enough for a call from me.

jimthemental

Einhard wrote: »

Also, nothing will happen. You report it, and even in the unlikely event that the Gardai do get involved, it's all be denied.

No they'll actually arrive out and harass the **** out of everyone there. They'll bag any driver they see in the vicinity for the next few hours and they will drop by to curb things like serving a few minutes late when there's a band on or that sort of thing for the next few months. I have seen this happen so many times in country and village pubs in Kilkenny that the cops actually sicken my arse. Meanwhile every second house has been broken into around me and the arsehole responsible (my neighbor) still hasn't been charged. They enforce the easy laws to pander to whingers like the OP, god forbid they'd have to commit an act of policework.

Scioch

BUBBLE WRAP wrote: »

The owner never even asked for I.D. as he knew them well. there was a female bartender there as well. who asked for I.D. She then refused to serve them and was sent home. By the owner.

But back to your point.
I think its an uttar disgraceful for a bartender to serve anyone under the age of 18.

Report it. Turning a blind eye every now and again I wouldnt mind but if he's hell bent on serving kids to line his pocket then fcuk him, he has no business running a pub.

kelly1952

as a parent of 4 lads who take a drink if we teach them early to respect drink we would have less of a problem in Ireland.

to stop people having a drink at a young age does nothing but drive them underground and they end up binge drinking.

Knex*

BUBBLE WRAP wrote: »

I couldnt care less about the "shame". Its illegal. :mad:

Leave em alone will ya. It can't honestly be putting you out of your way that much can it?

Also, their parents probably know that their drinking. Sixteen/seventeen is fairly common in this country, be it right or wrong.

eth0

kelly1952 wrote: »

as a parent of 4 lads who take a drink if we teach them early to respect drink we would have less of a problem in Ireland.

to stop people having a drink at a young age does nothing but drive them underground and they end up binge drinking.

Great 1st post

Dravokivich

BUBBLE WRAP wrote: »

jimthemental wrote: »

I don't see that much of a problem with it myself unless all the young crowd were plastered. As a barman I always checked ID but I also grew up in an area where there was no social life outside GAA and drink so I don't think a few young lads going for pints is as bad as a bunch of teenage pregnancies around the place.

The owner never even asked for I.D. as he knew them well. there was a female bartender there as well. who asked for I.D. She then refused to serve them and was sent home. By the owner.

But back to your point.
I think its an uttar disgraceful for a bartender to serve anyone under the age of 18.

In the op you said the place was burnt down and they served from tents. Now someone legitimately refused to serve and was unfairly dismissed?

Feck that the kids are getting served, if you ain't spinning a yarn here the owner is a cowboy ted.

Lyaiera

I always thought it'd be interesting to see what would happen if certain places were allowed to serve beer, ciders and spirits to 16 year olds, with a lot tougher security restrictions (on people being drunk in the pub.) And spirits were raised to only be served to people aged 21 and up.

Growing up I was always warned against spirits. Pints and glasses of wine were fine, because they're slow drinks. Spirits you just knock back to get drunk (Although I suppose there's a few whiskey or rum aficionados in their teenage years.)

Scioch

eth0 wrote: »

Can you not think for yourself at all, do you depend completely on the shower in the Dail/EU to tell you whats good and what's bad?

You do realise you are discussing under age drinking ? Should 15 year olds be left decide if they want to try heroin ? Issue is a 15 year isnt an adult capable of making their own decisions in relation to these things. Thats why there are laws surrounding it, and you cant just ignore them because they aint to your liking.

Vohnsom Hofmee

*Question asked should kids be allowed to drink alcohol on an Irish forum*

General response: "Ah sure, they'll be grand. Mind your own fecking business, children have a right to illegally harm their bodies. As long as they're in a pub, of course, and not some field..."

Shocking.

Corkbah

contact the Gardai .... report the guy.

the guy (if your version of events is correct) is actively breaking the law for the sake of some profit - if he told a staff member to go home because they refused to serve underage people (you would have another person who may be willing to make a complaint against the guy)

if the kids want to go drinking ...let them do it in a field and let them try to find someone else to buy them drink, pubs are for people over 18 !!

Knex*

LordSmeg wrote: »

You do realise you are discussing under age drinking ? Should 15 year olds be left decide if they want to try heroin ? Issue is a 15 year isnt an adult capable of making their own decisions in relation to these things. Thats why there are laws surrounding it, and you cant just ignore them because they aint to your liking.

I was. I chose not to drink until I was 17 and when I did it, I told my parents before hand. I had 3 pints and I came back home.

Could I have acquired drink at an earlier age? Most certainly. Same as I could have smoked, done weed or whatever.

I made the decision to wait myself, not because society said one thing or the other. Likewise I started smoking weed at the age of 18/19, as it was something I wanted to do. My decision, nobody elses.

girl in the striped socks

This country is seriously getting too nannyish.
Leave them & the owner of the pub alone ffs.

BUBBLE WRAP

eth0 wrote: »

Great 1st post

You stated you were a barman, Now would you serve drink to an underage person. To line the owners pockets?

Scioch

Knex. wrote: »

I was. I chose not to drink until I was 17 and when I did it, I told my parents before hand. I had 3 pints and I came back home.

Could I have acquired drink at an earlier age? Most certainly. Same as I could have smoked, done weed or whatever.

I made the decision to wait myself, not because society said one thing or the other. Likewise I started smoking weed at the age of 18/19, as it was something I wanted to do. My decision, nobody elses.

I'm sure you were a very intelligent kid but that doesnt change anything in regards to under age drinking. I didnt drink until I was 18 but I know others did as soon as they found a way to do it. The attitude to drinking in Ireland is that its a very good past time and the majority of people do it. So if its acceptable for a 15 year old to drink a lot of them will because they are easily influenced by the actions of adults.

The reason its illegal is the same reason a lot of other stuff is illegal at that age, 15 year old kids are not deemed developed enough to be considered an adult in their own right. You drop the age to 15, why not 14 ? 13 ? 12 ? How young is too young ?

Alcohol is a psychoactive drug and it has some serious effects on people. Its not harmless.

BUBBLE WRAP

Dravokivich wrote: »

In the op you said the place was burnt down and they served from tents. Now someone legitimately refused to serve and was unfairly dismissed?

Feck that the kids are getting served, if you ain't spinning a yarn here the owner is a cowboy ted.

Yes, everything I stated was correct. The barman dosnt give two hoots. Sure he only want the money....

jt69er

BUBBLE WRAP wrote: »

So I was at a local fund raiser two days ago, in the local pub. I seen the barman (owner) serving youths alcoholic beverages. (None of their parent were at it.) Which included beer ect. The pub burned down last week. But they had a tent kinda thing in its place at the funraiser. One of the youths inparticular is sold alcoholic beverages on a regular basis. (He is in the pub every secound day.) (Im not one of them youths as im 19.:D) So should I report the owner?

You may as well name the Pub/Owner,as not too many pubs burn down in your locality every week im sure!

humbert

Report it if you think it's ethically wrong. Understand in your own mind why you think it's wrong.

The legality of it really doesn't matter.

eth0

LordSmeg wrote: »

You do realise you are discussing under age drinking ? Should 15 year olds be left decide if they want to try heroin ? Issue is a 15 year isnt an adult capable of making their own decisions in relation to these things. Thats why there are laws surrounding it, and you cant just ignore them because they aint to your liking.

We have a lot of laws that are there for political correctness reasons, to appease a certain Joe Duffy calling demographic and what have you.

It depends on the 15 year old. Bit of drink does most of em no harm

BUBBLE WRAP wrote: »

You stated you were a barman, Now would you serve drink to an underage person. To line the owners pockets?

Dont think i said that but I'd make sure the owner wanted his pockets lined first

Kirby

He sent a member of staff home for refusing to serve under age punters?

The discussion ends there. Report him. The fecker deserves everything he gets. Thats a scummy thing to do. I hope she reported him herself.

BornToKill

BUBBLE WRAP wrote: »

The owner never even asked for I.D. as he knew them well. there was a female bartender there as well. who asked for I.D. She then refused to serve them and was sent home. By the owner

Everyone's going to think the barmaid did the reporting. Do you think she will be happy with that or not?

.Bob

BUBBLE WRAP wrote: »

Why is it that ye dont care? Its illegal, so I think everything the owner gets, He deserves.

your only 19 and your taking a hissy fit over underage drinkers? id say you were popular in school.

what 19 year old actually comes on boards.ie and asks people should he grass out underage drinkers? ta fuuuak
I bet the barmaids shift was over, i doubt he said "hey you! serve those kids or go home begorrah!"

keith16

I was in tescos one day just kinda standing around the reading the newspapers near the customer service desk while the OH was "buying stuff".

Anyway, there was a about 5 young lads stocking up on junk food, which included those tall cans of "monster" energy drink.

As soon as the kids paid and left, this other guy came from nowhere and started having a go at the customer service girl, and in doing so, caught the attention of all the other plebs like me in the general vicinity.

So he is there demanding to speak with the manager, she is like "can I help you?"

Yes, came the reply "why did you sell those kids cans of guinness? I should call the gaurds"

"Those were energy drinks" she replied much to the amusement of aforementioned plebs.

woodoo

BUBBLE WRAP wrote: »

Sorry forgot to include it. They were between 15 -17. There was about nine of them.

I was sitting at the bar of my local at 15.

Gummy Panda

Burn the tent down!