Una Bean Mhic Mhathuna - Foe of Modern Ireland

dd972

I've never know why Catholic is such a label in this part of western Europe ( my way of avoiding the dreaded British Isles phrase btw )

People go on about ''Irish Catholic'' or ''Irish Catholics'' with the emphasis at times on the Irish word or the Catholic word and sometimes on both words.

Why don't people go on about being a French Catholic or a Spanish Catholic or a German or Dutch Catholic ( practically half of the Netherlands and Germany are Catholic )

What's the big hoo haa about being an ''Irish''Catholic, Irish''Catholic'' or '' Irish Catholic '' ?

ScumLord

dd972 wrote: »

What's the big hoo haa about being an ''Irish''Catholic, Irish''Catholic'' or '' Irish Catholic '' ?

Because Irish Catholics seem to have a unique and miserable take on life when compared to Latin Catholics. Maybe it's just the sunshine but the other big Catholic nations seem to make it look sexy.

dd972

maybe it's because we're grey skied northern european ''calvinist'' catholics

policarp

Most catholic countries are poor. . .
South America and Africa for example. . .
And those that aren't are Spain, Portugal,
Italy, Ireland. . .

policarp

dd972 wrote: »

maybe it's because we're grey skied northern european ''calvinist'' catholics

Why do you say that?
Most folks in Ireland have Catholic
friends or relations. . .
Some like and some don't care. . .

LoonyLovegood

I've done some research on the two women mentioned, and they honestly disgust me. One of the Ten Commandments is "Do unto others as you would like others to do unto you." Well, Mina Bean Uí Chroibín and Una Bean Mich Mhathuna are receiving this backlash. However, I'd expect posters here wouldn't stoop to the level of keeping children who were being abused as a previous poster wrote Bean Uí Chroibín's children were with their families.

They almost remind me of a fictional character in Mairead Ní Ghrada's play "An Triail", Mairead Bhean Uí Chathasaigh, a woman who threw her own daughter out of the house for becoming pregnant.

They disgust me. Speaking up for women? No, they speak for the bigots of Ireland, not the modern women who know that they are for more than just "childbearing".

Tipsy McSwagger

The most ironic thing is Jesus was born out of an affair that his cheating mother had with someone.

Dyr

ScumLord wrote: »

Because Irish Catholics seem to have a unique and miserable take on life when compared to Latin Catholics. Maybe it's just the sunshine but the other big Catholic nations seem to make it look sexy.

Wait till we have a clatter of Irish Muslims, they're gonna make the creeping jesus brigade look like a weekend in a West Indes carnival

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

philologos wrote: »

What is religion as an idea? - The problem with using "religion" as a means to describe everything is that it causes a heck of a lot of confusion as to what you're talking about.

How is Jesus presented? - Jesus clearly preached, and Jesus clearly had a message to proclaim. To repent and believe in the Gospel (Mark 1:14-15). Straight out of the bat in Mark's Gospel Jesus says this. Jesus speaks clearly about society, and the nature of mankinds heart (Mark 7), and he also makes clear that He is the Messiah (Mark 8:29-30) who came to save them by His death on the cross (Mark 10:45 is one passage of many that says Jesus died as a ransom for mankind).

What is most shocking about Jesus' teaching is that He claims that we should live for Him rather than for ourselves:


The Gospels were written so we an understand what Jesus told us about how we should live our lives. Jesus very clearly tells people what they should believe, and how they should live. Take a look at the Sermon of the Mount (Matthew 5 - 7).



There are many people who might spout bigotry in the name of Christ. I reject that clearly because there's no Biblical grounding for it. By the by, you know as well as I do that people do this in respect to varying things including some secular ideologies.

I also think there are many people who make ignorant claims about Christianity and the Gospel without stopping to even consider what Christians actually believe.



He established Christianity and sent the apostles out to proclaim the good news of salvation to all nations (Matthew 28:20). That's it.

The church = the Christian church - those who believe in Jesus Christ as their Lord, and as their Saviour. That's what I mean when I say those things.

So Jesus is represtented as advising people to show love and compassion, that God loves them and that they should follow God. God being the one who created them and fave them free will in the first place?

I see your point re: church, but to me "chruches" refer different aspects of Christianity (e.g. Catholic Church, Protestant Church,etc, etc,) and I thought this is what you were getting at.

Gyalist

CTYIgirl wrote: »

I've done some research on the two women mentioned, and they honestly disgust me. One of the Ten Commandments is "Do unto others as you would like others to do unto you."

No it isn't. Your quote is from what is known as the "Golden Rule" in Luke 6:31. I understand the point that you are trying to make but your citation is incorrect.

Ush1

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

The most ironic thing is Jesus was born out of an affair that his cheating mother had with someone.

Wasn't Jesus supposed to be married to a brazzer?

Wibbs

Ush1 wrote: »

Wasn't Jesus supposed to be married to a brazzer?

1) the connection with Mary Magdalene is not mentioned outside of some much later texts and even then is really really tenuous "evidence" unless you're one of the more dribbling Dan Brown readers and 2) Magdalene wasn't a prostitute(he cured her of a demon IIRC). She's actually not mentioned much if at all in the four gospels before the crucifixion. She's not unlike Mary his mother in that her importance comes more from later tradition and confusion, rather than from the actual texts.

Ellis Dee

When you look at her aul wan:eek: and then Niamh of Youth Attack:rolleyes:, it is clear that the shit doesn't fall far from the bat.:D:D

Grayson

Gyalist wrote: »

No it isn't. Your quote is from what is known as the "Golden Rule" in Luke 6:31. I understand the point that you are trying to make but your citation is incorrect.

I think Jesus said something along the lines of "My father gave you ten commandments and to this I add an eleventh."

Of course I could look it up. But I'm only halfway through my coffee. So I'm not going to bother.

sbsquarepants

The Skulls wrote: »

Skinheads were recruited as they were anti abortion for racist reasons & weren't afraid to fight YD's opponents SWP etc. .

Anti abortion for racist reasons? What does that mean?

Daisy M wrote: »

Just because someone says something doesn't make it true - Daisy M

I'm not sure if the irony here was intentional or not, but it made me smile either way!:D

policarp wrote: »

Most catholic countries are poor. . .
South America and Africa for example. . .
And those that aren't are Spain, Portugal,
Italy, Ireland. . .

So the poor ones are poor, the rich ones are also poor. Vatican city seems quite well to do though! :rolleyes:

paddyandy

The 'popular' versions never amount to much but religion is still the best adventure there is .You first have to trawl through it carefully .....very carefully .

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

paddyandy wrote: »

The 'popular' versions never amount to much but religion is still the best adventure there is .You first have to trawl through it carefully .....very carefully .

Unfortunautely people don't. They blindly accept things that make scared, ignorant and vulnerable. This rusults in large groups of people being abused - sexually and physically - and unable to question those who abuse them. Case in point, Ireland in the 50s.

paddyandy

Nothing much that was any good before the telly Ikky ????

HoggyRS

Whitehall9 wrote: »

Hi, I returned home from abroad today to be informed of the death of Mina Bean Uí Chroibín.
I googled her name, expecting to find a forum where I could perhaps post my respects. Instead, I came across this thread. I read the first few pages but couldn't stand to read anymore as I actually found it quite upsetting to see people who never met or knew this women write such hateful and hurtful things about her.
I knew Mina as a child, a teen, and into my early twenties. The Mina I knew is definitely not the one being spoken about in this thread.
As a child I was never particularly academic. I didn't enjoy school, and tended to enjoy the more artistic classes and activities.
My parents heard about Mina and the good work she did with children who struggled at school. Mina took me on and twice a week she provided grinds in maths and Irish, the subjects I found most difficult.
She never took any payment for this service. Instead she asked that I joined the choir, which I gladly did, and enjoyed very much.
Something I feel Important to mention is that within my class (grinds) were several teenage single mothers. These girls had dropped out of school and Mina helped them, free of charge, to complete their Junior and Leaving Certs.
She then went on to help them apply and prep for further education and interviews.
Never once did she cast judgement on them, Or try to guide them in any direction other than the one they wanted to pursue themselves.
To be quite clear, these girls were never made to feel uncomfortable. Religion or opinion was not forced upon them at any time. The atmosphere was light and enjoyable.
In all the years I was involved with Mina I was aware of her view on the world, but never was I encouraged to follow her views, nor did I ever feel pressurised to pretend.
I retained my own views without any pressure or judgement. Without Mina I doubt I would have secured the results I did on leaving school.
I owe her an awful lot, and although I respect that people here may not have much time for her opinions or views, please know that up close and personal these views were completely overshadowed by her kindness and the good that she did for so many.
Please respect that is woman has a family, and friends, who do not deserve to see such nasty comments made about their mother / friend.
It upset me to read it, so I have no doubt it would be heart breaking for them

Giving free maths grinds doesn't cancel out having supported a woman guilty of sexual abuse of children in the Roscommon house of horrors case

JupiterKid

dd972 wrote: »

maybe it's because we're grey skied northern european ''calvinist'' catholics

Hmmm..where does that put the other Catholic countries on our latitude - countries like Poland and Belgium?

mike65

Polish Catholicism is pretty hard line isn't it?

Tipsy McSwagger

Ush1 wrote: »

Wasn't Jesus supposed to be married to a brazzer?

Jesus was more than likely a homosexual (if he even existed at all). He was in love with John. When he went forth to his execution only 4 people he knew went with him, his mother Mary, 2 other women and John. He was closest to John and they were 'special friends'.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

paddyandy wrote: »

Nothing much that was any good before the telly Ikky ????

Mass, rape and **** loads of it seemed to be the order of the day. (Comma optional.)

Dyr

HoggyRS wrote: »

Giving free maths grinds doesn't cancel out having supported a woman guilty of sexual abuse of children in the Roscommon house of horrors case

I'm not sure that was ever proven? It's consistent with her beliefs, but she said she wasn't bankrolling them at all.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Bambi wrote: »

I'm not sure that was ever proven? It's consistent with her beliefs, but she said she wasn't bankrolling them at all.

Pretty sure she was involved, possibly not financially, but she prevented help getting to the kids and aided the mother.

Grayson

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Pretty sure she was involved, possibly not financially, but she prevented help getting to the kids and aided the mother.

I read somewhere that after the gardai started their investigation, she called to intervene. The guards told her it was a criminal investigation and she should sod off.

NotForResale

Whitehall9 wrote: »

Religion or opinion was not forced upon them at any time.

Can you take me back to the alternate reality you flew in from? you honestly think this is nice?

Interestingly (or unsurprisingly) Youth Defence did leave a wreath at her funeral. It's a wonder they chose not to mention that on their facebook circle jerk.:rolleyes:

sbsquarepants wrote: »

Anti abortion for racist reasons? What does that mean?

YD get a lot of support from right wing nut jobs that think abortion is part of conspiracy to make white people extinct. In Ireland that's idiots like Micheal Quin http://www.wsm.ie/c/pro-life-mass-murder-arrested-fascist-belfast

Sarky

paddyandy wrote: »

The 'popular' versions never amount to much but religion is still the best adventure there is .You first have to trawl through it carefully .....very carefully .

Bollocks. The Goonies 2 is the greatest adventure there is and you damn well know it.

Corkfeen

paddyandy wrote: »

The 'popular' versions never amount to much but religion is still the best adventure there is .You first have to trawl through it carefully .....very carefully .

Wait, you're not going to respond to the responses about your evil liberals post and how much better off Ireland was 50 years ago?:eek: Just moving on to other random statements....

mikom

paddyandy wrote: »

The 'popular' versions never amount to much but religion is still the best adventure there is .You first have to trawl through it carefully .....very carefully .

Be vewwy vewwy quiet..... I'm hunting wabbits.....

Corkfeen wrote: »

Wait, you're not going to respond to the responses about your evil liberals post and how much better off Ireland was 50 years ago? Just moving on to other random statements....

In his own words......

paddyandy wrote: »

Many Posters on AH are incapable of sustaining a serious conversation ...they simply can't cope with harsh reality for any length of time .Some are not articulate enough .