Petty Inter-County Rivalry

JupiterKid

I was on the Shannon a few weeks back with some friends and in one small town that we pulled our boat into to stay the night, the locals in the local pub were pretty hostile to the people from the village on the other side of the river because they were GAA rivals and in another county. I gathered that practically no-one from the village on the other side of the river drinks in the pubs in the neighbouring county and not that many even use the shops there.:(

Surely in a country as small as Ireland this sort of inter-county rivalry is silly and indeed a bit pathetic?

It feeds the parish pump mentality that is all too prevalent in politics in this country and when you consider that some of the largest farms in Australia, New Zealand and Argentina are the size of our smaller counties it makes a mockery of what it means to be proud of your region and county.

Xavi6

JupiterKid wrote: »

Surely in a country as small as Ireland this sort of inter-county rivalry is silly and indeed a bit pathetic?

You are correct of course but for some places it's all they have to keep themselves ticking over.

HalloweenJack

I'm from Bray, it pisses me off when people tell me I'm a Dub.

IrishAm

Are you new to Ireland? We like to take the p*ss out of each other over the smallest of things. A small minority of fools go to far, but Its mostly banter.

We are all Irish at the end of the day.

Where To

I hate memes but anyways;

'Thinly veiled I have a boat thread'

IrishAm

Where To wrote: »

I hate memes but anyways;

'Thinly veiled I have a boat thread'

Companies like Emerald Star rent boats out to holidaymakers. A ten minute instruction and away you float.

Pretty fucking deadly if you get the weather.

JupiterKid

Where To wrote: »

I hate memes but anyways;

'Thinly veiled I have a boat thread'

Actually it was my friend's boat - OP duly edited.:D

I'm 100% Irish and proud to be and I love a bit of slagging but this was bitterness and small mindedness I'm talking about. It really is pathetic to see.:rolleyes:

It's all about the buttons

grenache

HalloweenJack wrote: »

I'm from Bray, it pisses me off when people tell me I'm a Dub.

But all Bray folk speak like Dubs! You are practically a suburb of the city now.

HalloweenJack

grenache wrote: »

But all Bray folk speak like Dubs! You are practically a suburb of the city now.

Regrettably.

Wompa1

JupiterKid wrote: »

Actually it was my friend's boat - OP duly edited.:D

I'm 100% Irish and proud to be and I love a bit of slagging but this was bitterness and small mindedness I'm talking about. It really is pathetic to see.:rolleyes:

1 percenter!!

Dangerous Man

HalloweenJack wrote: »

I'm from Bray, it pisses me off when people tell me I'm a Dub.

I'm from Dublin. I'm a Dub. You're from Bray - so, from Wicklow. To me, that's easy to understand.

mathepac

People from Ballina live in Tipp, the crowd from Killaloe don't. People from Killaloe say the Lakeside Hotel is in Killaloe (it isn't) and that the Gooser's atin' emporium is also in Killaloe (it isn't) and so on. Ballina is good, it's in Tipp, Killaloe isn't and it's not.

Chucken

mathepac wrote: »

People from Ballina live in Tipp, the crowd from Killaloe don't. People from Killaloe say the Lakeside Hotel is in Killaloe (it isn't) and that the Gooser's atin' emporium is also in Killaloe (it isn't) and so on. Ballina is good, it's in Tipp, Killaloe isn't and it's not.

No they dont!

Killaloe is the postal address,on account of the fact theres no post office in Ballina

Sauve

Us humans are territorial creatures.
We want our patch to be the best damn patch there is, and will send our strongest men out to defend it with curved sticks of ash every weekend.
:pac:

davet82

HalloweenJack wrote: »

I'm from Bray, it pisses me off when people tell me I'm a Dub.

Being a Dub this pisses me off too, as if Bray people are as cool as us :cool:

guinnessdrinker

This thread reminds me of the ongoing Springfield/Shelbyville rivalry.

bijapos

JupiterKid wrote: »

I was on the Shannon a few weeks back with some friends and in one small town that we pulled our boat into to stay the night, the locals in the local pub were pretty hostile to the people from the village on the other side of the river because they were GAA rivals and in another county. I gathered that practically no-one from the village on the other side of the river drinks in the pubs in the neighbouring county and not that many even use the shops there.:(

How the hell can they be GAA rivals if they're in a different county, they would only meet in the All-Ireland Club Championship which I doubt happens very often.


Anyway OP, I would put a bet that plenty of people in any of those villages have internal rows with each other over land, parking cars on "my property" etc. Likewise both villages would back each other up in face of a common enemy such as if they met each other in a bar abroad on holidays and got into a row with a bunch of English lads.

Your first border is your own front door, you then adjust your borders and pick your allies-enemies according to your situation, at times the enemy of your enemy will become your friend.

There's nowt so queer as folk.

Jester252

I hate people fron Cork just coz

davet82

Jester252 wrote: »

I hate people fron Cork just coz

i know, there's just too many to list

Bad Panda

Sauve wrote: »

Us humans are idiotic creatures.

FYP.

castletownman

One's got to remember that some petty rivalries are borne out of one town stealing another town's lemon tree and the bitterness, no pun intended, lasting for generations.

HalloweenJack

davet82 wrote: »

Being a Dub this pisses me off too, as if Bray people are as cool as us :cool:

I'll take it!

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater

Funnily enough the only crowd I dislike are the bunch of wan*ers who populate my own parish.

bluecode

You're from Dublin like me, JupiterKid. Hence your puzzlement. Growing up in Dublin I saw myself as Irish first and foremost. Being a Dub came a faraway second if I even considered it. It wasn't until I ventured out beyond the Pale did I discover I'd mysteriously turned into Dub first and thus worthy of abuse or just slagging. Nearly everyone likes to slag off Dublin. But most Dub could honestly give a feck about their parochial attitudes.

It isn't just counties, it's towns, parishes, villages even townlands. Partly it's the blame of the GAA because it thrives on rivalries. But mainly it's basically the remnants of tribalism which the GAA merely reflects. The reason we were such an easy conquest for the English.

It's pathetic and it has held back the development of this country for years. Local politics dominate the minds of most politicians in Ireland. Any politician who puts the needs of the country first and foremost won't last long in the Dail.

The only way this country can progress properly is for people to be Irish first and foremost.

Thundercats Ho

guinnessdrinker wrote: »

This thread reminds me of the ongoing Springfield/Shelbyville rivalry.

And with that, a mighty cheer went up from the heroes of Shelbyville. They had banished the awful lemon tree forever, because it was haunted. Now let's all celebrate with a cool glass of turnip juice

admiralofthefleet

HalloweenJack wrote: »

I'm from Bray, it pisses me off when people tell me I'm a Dub.

parts of bray are in dublin. my brother lives in one such part

davet82

admiralofthefleet wrote: »

parts of bray are in dublin. my brother lives in one such part

we call them Braylins, outcasts that are not one nor the other in my book :rolleyes:

bijapos

bluecode wrote: »

It isn't just counties, it's towns, parishes, villages even townlands. Partly it's the blame of the GAA because it thrives on rivalries. But mainly it's basically the remnants of tribalism which the GAA merely reflects. The reason we were such an easy conquest for the English.

GAA is one of many outlets of rivalry and the GAA are not to blame for the fact that irish people like those of every other nation have rivalries. If the GAA weren't there it would be something else.

We fight amongst each other about such things as politics, english soccer teams, how to deal with the health service, do we build a gallows or a monument to Bertie etc etc etc. The GAA is another reason to pick a row with someone and identify with a bunch of people who will back you up, safety in numbers is a basic human instinct.

admiralofthefleet

JupiterKid wrote: »

Actually it was my friend's boat - OP duly edited.:D

I'm 100% Irish and proud to be and I love a bit of slagging but this was bitterness and small mindedness I'm talking about. It really is pathetic to see.:rolleyes:

i was working in a pub in arklow briefly about 2 years ago. an oul fella said to me one day 'im from rathdrum and your the first dubliner ive spoken too in about 40 years, if i had known you were from dublin i wouldnt have spoken to you. i hate yis with a passion'
i said 'enjoy your pint, pulled by a proud dub'

Father Damo

Rugged Island is a leper colony!

westendgirlie

OP, you are talking about Leitrim and Roscommon GAA teams aren't ya? :D:D

Dyr

Time's will move on, as populations shift. Dublin and Meath were once fierce rival's but now that Meath is virtually a suburb of the capital city thing's have eased off. Sure Dublin bus go out to Meath these days

davet82

Bambi wrote: »

Time's will move on, as populations shift. Dublin and Meath were once fierce rival's but now that Meath is virtually a suburb of the capital city thing's have eased off. Sure Dublin bus go out to Meath these days

Yup, Meath is Dublins bitch now...

Cú Giobach

JupiterKid wrote: »

I was on the Shannon a few weeks back with some friends and in one small town that we pulled our boat into to stay the night, the locals in the local pub were pretty hostile to the people from the village on the other side of the river because they were GAA rivals and in another county.

Meh, nothing compared to the War of the Whale that went on down here in Cork recently, brandishing chainsaws, blood and guts (and tails) everywhere. Families are now divided, farms are split, children are crying, oh the humanity.

JupiterKid

bijapos wrote: »

How the hell can they be GAA rivals if they're in a different county, they would only meet in the All-Ireland Club Championship which I doubt happens very often.


Anyway OP, I would put a bet that plenty of people in any of those villages have internal rows with each other over land, parking cars on "my property" etc. Likewise both villages would back each other up in face of a common enemy such as if they met each other in a bar abroad on holidays and got into a row with a bunch of English lads.

Your first border is your own front door, you then adjust your borders and pick your allies-enemies according to your situation, at times the enemy of your enemy will become your friend.

There's nowt so queer as folk.

That's a very good point - but you know the saying "no man is an island." People should try to put aside their differences and work in harmony for the common good.

Duckworth_Luas

bluecode wrote: »

You're from Dublin like me, JupiterKid. Hence your puzzlement. Growing up in Dublin I saw myself as Irish first and foremost. Being a Dub came a faraway second if I even considered it. It wasn't until I ventured out beyond the Pale did I discover I'd mysteriously turned into Dub first and thus worthy of abuse or just slagging. Nearly everyone likes to slag off Dublin. But most Dub could honestly give a feck about their parochial attitudes.

What an utter load of nonsense. You only have to read AH to see how parochial Dubliners are.:rolleyes:

The rest is the same anti GAA crap you are spouting elsewhere on this forum.

JupiterKid

I'm not so sure that Dubs aren't parochial - just look at the Northside/Southside divide, the way people identify with their suburbs and districts, rivalries between adjacent suburbs and the whole social minefield of postcode snobbery - oh yes, we very much live in Dublin 6W, nowhere near Dublin 12 at all!":rolleyes:

But I do think parochialism is more somewhat more entrenched in the country.

mathepac

"Ar scath a cheile a mhairimid", which is true as Ballina overshadows and majestically overlooks Killaloe. Ballina residents - faces to the sun, Killaloe residents - arses to the heat.

Snowie

Sauve wrote: »

Us humans are territorial creatures.
We want our patch to be the best damn patch there is, and will send our strongest men out to defend it with curved sticks of ash every weekend.
:pac:

Stand still i think i need to take a wee :pac:

Fuhrer

JupiterKid wrote: »

I was on the Shannon a few weeks back with some friends and in one small town that we pulled our boat into to stay the night, the locals in the local pub were pretty hostile to the people from the village on the other side of the river because they were GAA rivals and in another county. I gathered that practically no-one from the village on the other side of the river drinks in the pubs in the neighbouring county and not that many even use the shops there.:(

Surely in a country as small as Ireland this sort of inter-county rivalry is silly and indeed a bit pathetic?

It feeds the parish pump mentality that is all too prevalent in politics in this country and when you consider that some of the largest farms in Australia, New Zealand and Argentina are the size of our smaller counties it makes a mockery of what it means to be proud of your region and county.

Yes, this literally never happens in pretty much every other country in the world...

Sauve

Bad Panda wrote: »

Sauve wrote: »

Us humans are idiotic creatures.

FYP.

Don't bother doing that again please.
If you have something to say post it yourself instead of messing with mine. Thanks.

Sunnyisland

I always had a sneaky regard for people from Cork which improved greatly last week or so, when I was down there with the wife sitting in o'briens at the top of patrick street when this lovely lady went by on a bike just with the skin painted on her, nearly fell into me herbal tea.

Chucken

mathepac wrote: »

"Ar scath a cheile a mhairimid", which is true as Ballina overshadows and majestically overlooks Killaloe. Ballina residents - faces to the sun, Killaloe residents - arses to the heat.

Ah its nice for the Tipp crew to have a nice view all the same

Rasheed

The county rivalry is always worse on the Borders, it makes sense. Going to school, socialising together, there is going to be slagging.

Anyway a bit of rivalry is no harm, it'll make a dull match interesting if nothing else.

sock puppet

JupiterKid wrote: »

I was on the Shannon a few weeks back with some friends and in one small town that we pulled our boat into to stay the night, the locals in the local pub were pretty hostile to the people from the village on the other side of the river because they were GAA rivals and in another county. I gathered that practically no-one from the village on the other side of the river drinks in the pubs in the neighbouring county and not that many even use the shops there.:(

In all seriousness that's not really true. There's only one secondary school between the two villages as well.

oldyouth

It's a bogger thing. I was born and reared in Dublin but have spent most of my life in Wexford. I just don't understand this parish mentality and never could. As far as I'm concerned, we're all Irish and all facing the same problems.

Unfortunately, there are many, many people out there who have never broadened their horizons and they think that the world starts and ends at the bottom corner of the lower field on Murphy's farm. That's the way it has always been and that's the way it will stay. The driving force behind all of this mentality is the GAA. (IMO).

BTW, I would be eternally grateful if somebody could explain the "Up" in the often shouted Up Wexford/Kerry/Down/Galway etc

Cú Giobach

mathepac wrote: »

"Ar scath a cheile a mhairimid", which is true as Ballina overshadows and majestically overlooks Killaloe. Ballina residents - faces to the sun, Killaloe residents - arses to the heat.

Killaloe: the ancient seat of Brian Ború in the land of music and unrivalled musicians, the wild and dramatic Atlantic seaboard, The Cliffs, the amazing and unique spectacle of The Burren, the quiet beauty of the stone walls, and a choice major destination for tourists both foreign and domestic.
Ballina: the seat of ..ummm... Londis? A fishing tackle shop?? in the land of umm....Nenagh? Roscrea? Cowfields? ...ummm.....oh yea music, Sliabh na mBan the mildly annoying song though, not the beautiful haunting air/song of 1798.

Duckworth_Luas

oldyouth wrote: »

It's a bogger thing. I was born and reared in Dublin

Yeah, Dubliners don't involve themselves in petty rivalry! FFS!

oldyouth

Duckworth_Luas wrote: »

Yeah, Dubliners don't involve themselves in petty rivalry! FFS!

Not to the same extent, No

Duckworth_Luas

oldyouth wrote: »

Not to the same extent, No

Actually they're worse!

The use of words like bogger and culchie to describe Irish people.

The northside-southside nonsense.

The fact that people will change and lie about their postal address to make it look as if they live in a more affluent area.

Dubliners even demanded a new post code be invented, Dublin 6W, so they would have a different postal address to poorer areas.

One of the biggest areas of opposition to the new post code system comes from D4, an area where people are demanding that their badge of affluence is maintained in the new system.

Dublin is rife with such pettiness!